Nina Jones on thu 16 mar 00
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Terrance:
In Chicago, Great Lakes Clay. They have several stoneware bodies, and even =
a
porcelain body, that, if you are buying in quantities of a 100=23 or more, =
range
from 25-28 cents. But, of course, since I pick it up myself, I don't have =
to
pay for shipping, which would up the price.
Nina D. Jones
Southside Chicago
=40 njones=40winston.com
=3E=3E=3E Terrance Lazaroff =3CZALT=40aol.com=3E 03/15/00 01:48PM =3E=3E=3E
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In a message dated 3/14/00 2:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
epriddy=40my-Deja.com writes:
=3C=3C Elizabeth =3E=3E
Where do you buy your clay. I take it you use a pound of clay per mug.
Where can you find a pound of clay for 25 cents?
Terrance F. Lazaroff
St Hubert, Quebec.
Donald Burroughs on sat 18 mar 00
Dear Ms. Jones
The issue regarding the price of clay is a non-issue when
comparing cdn$ to U.S.$. Futhermore the availability of materials varies
greatly. There are more suppliers per capita in the U.S. based merely on the
population ratio between the two countries. Geographically most clays are
mined the U.S. because their formation was more favorable geologically
there. Terreance could look for local resources, but they are not nearly as
available as the resources to the south. Most processed clays in Canada
utilize American clays (exceptions Plainsman out of Alberta, ?others). You
must also consider the difference in the currencies a mininum of 40 cents
cdn. has to be paid for every american dollar. Hence this cost alone must be
borne by the Canadian ceramist / potter.
Sincerely, Don
Burroughs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nina Jones"
To:
Sent: March 16, 2000 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Now mug price (--price of clay)
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> ------------------
> Terrance:
>
> In Chicago, Great Lakes Clay. They have several stoneware bodies, and
even a
> porcelain body, that, if you are buying in quantities of a 100# or more,
range
> from 25-28 cents. But, of course, since I pick it up myself, I don't have
to
> pay for shipping, which would up the price.
>
> Nina D. Jones
> Southside Chicago
> @ njones@winston.com
>
> >>> Terrance Lazaroff 03/15/00 01:48PM >>>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> In a message dated 3/14/00 2:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> epriddy@my-Deja.com writes:
>
> << Elizabeth >>
> Where do you buy your clay. I take it you use a pound of clay per mug.
> Where can you find a pound of clay for 25 cents?
>
> Terrance F. Lazaroff
> St Hubert, Quebec.
>
Andrew Buck on sun 19 mar 00
Nina,
Just to pick at nits, you are paying for shipping. The cost of shipping,
when you pick up the clay yourself, is in the loss of income or leisure
for the time you take out of your day to go to where the clay is and bring
it to the studio. That is not to mention mileage on the vehicle you pick
it up with. The cost of shipping isn't coming from the money in your
pocket it is coming from the loss of the money you would be putting into
your pocket if you spent the time making a product to sell. Alas, there
is no such thing as "free shipping".
Andy Buck
Raincreek Pottery
Port Orchard, Washington
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Nina Jones wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Terrance:
>
> In Chicago, Great Lakes Clay. They have several stoneware bodies, and even a
> porcelain body, that, if you are buying in quantities of a 100# or more, range
> from 25-28 cents. But, of course, since I pick it up myself, I don't have to
> pay for shipping, which would up the price.
>
> Nina D. Jones
> Southside Chicago
> @ njones@winston.com
>
> >>> Terrance Lazaroff 03/15/00 01:48PM >>>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> In a message dated 3/14/00 2:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> epriddy@my-Deja.com writes:
>
> << Elizabeth >>
> Where do you buy your clay. I take it you use a pound of clay per mug.
> Where can you find a pound of clay for 25 cents?
>
> Terrance F. Lazaroff
> St Hubert, Quebec.
>
Norman van der Sluys on mon 20 mar 00
You business gurus out there:
How do you adjust your figures to acknowledge the entertainment value of a road
to pick up clay and perhaps peruse the supplier's showroom. - plus the research
value of such a trip (selecting tools hands-on instead of from a catalog listing
Sometimes those of us who live in isolated locations like to get away from it al
and see the outside world. Last summer Jackie and I drove from western Michigan
North Carolina and Georgia to pick up kiln shelves and other supplies and tools.
camped at night, took my Escort to save on gas, and I got to add one more state
my Appalachian Trail list. Good little vacation and the freight bill we did not
to pay subsidised the trip.
Norm van der Sluys
Andrew Buck wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Nina,
>
> Just to pick at nits, you are paying for shipping. The cost of shipping,
> when you pick up the clay yourself, is in the loss of income or leisure
> for the time you take out of your day to go to where the clay is and bring
> it to the studio. That is not to mention mileage on the vehicle you pick
> it up with. The cost of shipping isn't coming from the money in your
> pocket it is coming from the loss of the money you would be putting into
> your pocket if you spent the time making a product to sell. Alas, there
> is no such thing as "free shipping".
>
> Andy Buck
> Raincreek Pottery
> Port Orchard, Washington
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Nina Jones wrote:
>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > Terrance:
> >
> > In Chicago, Great Lakes Clay. They have several stoneware bodies, and even
> > porcelain body, that, if you are buying in quantities of a 100# or more, ran
> > from 25-28 cents. But, of course, since I pick it up myself, I don't have t
> > pay for shipping, which would up the price.
> >
> > Nina D. Jones
> > Southside Chicago
> > @ njones@winston.com
> >
> > >>> Terrance Lazaroff 03/15/00 01:48PM >>>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > In a message dated 3/14/00 2:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > epriddy@my-Deja.com writes:
> >
> > << Elizabeth >>
> > Where do you buy your clay. I take it you use a pound of clay per mug.
> > Where can you find a pound of clay for 25 cents?
> >
> > Terrance F. Lazaroff
> > St Hubert, Quebec.
> >
Nina Jones on tue 21 mar 00
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Yes, most people who pick up their supplies themselves have to figure all of
these things into the final cost. But, Andrew, at least for me, it would =
not be
fair to count this as cost of shipping as I enjoy my visits to my supplier. =
It
would be like counting the cost of visiting a friend.
Nina D. Jones
Southside Chicago
=40 njones=40winston.com
=3E=3E=3E Andrew Buck =3Canbuck=40linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us=3E 03/19/00 =
10:49AM =3E
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Nina,
Just to pick at nits, you are paying for shipping. The cost of shipping,
when you pick up the clay yourself, is in the loss of income or leisure
for the time you take out of your day to go to where the clay is and bring
it to the studio . . . .=3C=3C=3C=3C
Andrew Buck on wed 22 mar 00
Nina,
Your views on this are very common. And, oh yes, I do know the joy of
going to the "potters candy store". I truly enjoy going every once and a
while just to see what is new. Even if I was not in the business of
producing pottery, I would go just to poke around. However, since I am in
the business, I still count the time as a business expense. Even if I do
not find something to buy, because I always find some bit of information
in the trip that I can use for business. If pottery is just a hobby, then
the expense doesn't matter and neither does what you charge for your pots.
If you're in business though, you need to include the trip as an expense.
That is kind of the difference between hobby and business. If you don't
believe me, ask the IRS. If you are in business, they let you write off
the mileage to and from the supplier. Even if you drive your motorhome
from Chicago to Laguna Clay in California, for a 25 pound bag of "B-mix",
and spend the night in the Disneyland Hotel while you are there. The IRS
does not require that you make smart business decisions about shipping,
but they do recognize it as legitimate expense. And so should you.
I hope you continue to enjoy the trips to the pottery supply. I always
feel like I am getting away with something just by making a living at
something I love so much. Just because I enjoy it, though, I am not going
to discount the expenses. Should hobbyists keep track of this type of
expense and figure it into the price they would sell a pot for? Maybe
not. They should have a feel for what their true costs are, and this is a
biggie that is overlooked for just the reasons you give. Let us all
realize the true worth of what we do, even if we do not get a return equal
to the effort.
Andy Buck
Raincreek Pottery
Port Orchard, Washington
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Nina Jones wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message------------------------
> Yes, most people who pick up their supplies themselves have to figure
> all of these things into the final cost. But, Andrew, at least for
> me, it would not be fair to count this as cost of shipping as I enjoy
> my visits to my supplier. It would be like counting the cost of
> visiting a friend.
>
> Nina D. Jones
> Southside Chicago
> @ njones@winston.com
>
> >>> Andrew Buck 03/19/00 10:49AM >
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Nina,
> Just to pick at nits, you are paying for shipping. The cost of shipping,
> when you pick up the clay yourself, is in the loss of income or leisure
> for the time you take out of your day to go to where the clay is and bring
> it to the studio . . . .<<<<
>
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