Joyce Lee on thu 16 mar 00
On this, my eleventhumpity effort to come up with a shino firing that
I would consider to be reasonably successful, I finally made it. I know,
I know ...why am I carrying on so?.... some of you would do this your
3rd time through or even sooner, but remember I've lived my life in a
Never-Even-Thought-About-Art-Much-Less-Pottery manner until I retired
from a very full non-artistic, highly other side of the brain
lifestyle....and determined that I was going to at least give a shot at
being something I'm not genetically programmed to be, and at an age some
social scientists would say is too advanced to learn from scratch all
that I want to know....never even doodled anything remotely artistic
before this. Thanks to Mel, Dannon, Tony, Craig and Liz and their myriad
posts to Clayart and to me directly, I'm beginning to see some semblance
of getting there. A special Very Big Thanks goes to Guru Mel who guided
me through this last firing step by step. Talk about being in the 21st
century!! Via Clayart and the net, Mel, while pursuing his life (I hope)
both at home in Minnetonka and at the farm, managed to take me through
the some 11 hours of firing. What a claybud! What a friend! This firing
I did not apply the Pinnell's Red nor Mel's Orange because I wanted to
see what the thick white and carbon trapping blacks would look like on
their own. Very nice. No running of glazes! (Many of you know that I
could line our desert scrub acreage with the beautifully glazed shelves
I totally destroyed... before learning about ITC.) But now I'm anxious
to go the rest of the way, so today will glaze again using different
thicknesses of shino touched with the red and orange. Then I'll leave
the glazed pots on the shelf for a couple of days, load on Saturday,
candle Saturday night and fire on Sunday. I should be able to unload
Monday night before leaving for NCECA on Tuesday.... filled with either
pride or more questions. Either way, I'm sure I'm on the right
track....shouldn't take me more than another four years to get the pots
worthy of the glaze... Ahhhhhhh new dreams to stir my soul. Mel....are
you out there? Are you ready for another frustrating trial of your
patience?
Joyce
In the Mojave surprised to hear from the accomodating guys at Laguna
who have offered to contact me further about the Artificial Salt Glaze
that I haven't been able to make work for me in any kind of predictable
way. Drat. I should have contacted THEM myself before replying
semi-negatively to a Clayart post asking about this glaze. Didn't dawn
on me, much to my chagrin. I always heartily disliked it when people
would go public with criticism about teachers or our high school when
they had not contacted either the teacher nor me about any problems.
Exactly the same situation. I'm embarrassed.
Rikki Gill on sun 21 apr 02
A few minutes ago my kiln was at cone 012. I put it into strong reduction,
strong enough to smell just a little, not wonderful in a residential
neighborhood. This is for one shino piece. Last firing the one shino piece
was a definite orange. I think the glaze was on too thinly as well as maybe
not strong enough reduction. . My question: how long does it need to be in
strong reduction? Last time I tapered off to let it climb. If it stays
strong, it will certainly slow things down considerably. There was a real
benefit last time to the whole kiln tho. All the other glazes looked great.
Can anyone suggest a time line or cone indicator as to when to lighten up?
I will fire to about cone 11. Thanks, Rikki
Liz Willoughby on sun 21 apr 02
Hi Rikki, I keep the kiln in strong reduction for at least an hour,
maybe longer. When the kiln starts slowing down I adjust it to
increase in temp. at around 40 degrees C and hour. I do not oxidize
at the end, just keep it slowly climbing until cone 10 is bent, cone
11 or more in the middle and back of the kiln. Good luck, and there
is usually tenmoku and celadons in there too, they like it. Liz
>A few minutes ago my kiln was at cone 012. I put it into strong
reduction,
>strong enough to smell just a little, not wonderful in a residential
>neighborhood. This is for one shino piece. Last firing the one shino
piece
>was a definite orange. I think the glaze was on too thinly as well as
maybe
>not strong enough reduction. . My question: how long does it need to be in
>strong reduction? Last time I tapered off to let it climb. If it stays
>strong, it will certainly slow things down considerably. There was a real
>benefit last time to the whole kiln tho. All the other glazes looked
great.
>Can anyone suggest a time line or cone indicator as to when to lighten up?
>I will fire to about cone 11. Thanks, Rikki
Liz Willoughby
RR 1
2903 Shelter Valley Rd.
Grafton, On.
Canada
K0K 2G0
e-mail lizwill@phc.igs.net
Hank Murrow on sun 21 apr 02
>A few minutes ago my kiln was at cone 012. I put it into strong
reduction=
,
>strong enough to smell just a little, not wonderful in a residential
>neighborhood. This is for one shino piece. Last firing the one shino
piec=
e
>was a definite orange. I think the glaze was on too thinly as well as
mayb=
e
>not strong enough reduction. . My question: how long does it need to be in
>strong reduction? Last time I tapered off to let it climb. If it stays
>strong, it will certainly slow things down considerably. There was a real
>benefit last time to the whole kiln tho. All the other glazes looked
great=
=2E
>Can anyone suggest a time line or cone indicator as to when to lighten up?
>I will fire to about cone 11. Thanks, Rikki
>
Dear Rikki;
***I like to reduce at, or before C/012 (actually 84 mv on
the OxyProbe) pretty strong at first, then gradually pulling the
damper out until it is light to moderate reduction 90 minutes later.
Again @ C/1 or so, I reduce heavily, following the same r=E9gime. Then
I fire clean to C/10. The kiln cools quickly back to C/1, where I
start it up in oxidation, and try to hold temp for 2-8 hours. This is
what gives the darkest reds. All done 'to taste'. YMMV.
Best, Hank in Eugene
Rikki Gill on tue 23 apr 02
Gosh Marta, How to choose? Shino or Soda, or maybe Soda or shino? Its
okay, I understand perfectly. The pictures are great. I love the Shino
vase. The glaze is just gorgeous. Look like the workshop was really a good
one. I'll have to look for some workshops around here, because I really
want to do some wood firing. I also loved the "Way of Tea" exhibit in
New York. Best Wishes, Rikki
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marta Matray Gloviczki"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: shino firing
> Rikki Gill wrote:
>
> ...> I will
> >have to get my own web site together soon, buy a digital camera, so much
> to
> >do, so much to learn,
>
> hi rikki,
> i have some new shino pictures up on my photopage. those are the ones i
> told you about at nceca.
> also, i worked hard :-) and put up a dozen of pictures of the soda pots
> we fired at gail nichols` wksp. they are under "new soda pots".
> right now i cant decide which is my true love:
> soda or shino?
> shino or soda?
> gee...
> any comment would be appreciated!
> http://photos.yahoo.com/matraymarta
>
> cheers, marta
>
>
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Rikki Gill on tue 23 apr 02
I unloaded the kiln last evening, and the shino really looked lovely [to
me]. There was some varietion in color, now a soft apricot now a delicate
brown, with some carbon trapping on the top rim, like a soft charcoal, also
where the glaze was thick an orange peel texture, and at the bottom an area
that got a real black carbon section, covering an area about half the size
of the lower section of the cup bottom. Much nicer than the last firing,
thanks to Liz and Hank. I think I have a new addiction. Also, the firing
itself was really nice. The colors were beautiful, except for my red,[
which looked brownish] which I use as a slip, part of my decoration, so I am
looking for a new red, that does well in extreme reduction, over glazes.
Strange that a red would not respond well to heavy reduction. I have heard
that there are some changes to custer feldspar that might account for this.
It is not a new batch of copper, so that is not the problem. I will
have to get my own web site together soon, buy a digital camera, so much to
do, so much to learn, better than the alternative. I love this list
Best wishes, Rikki rikigil@cwnet.com www.berkeleypotters.com
Marta Matray Gloviczki on tue 23 apr 02
Rikki Gill wrote:
...> I will
>have to get my own web site together soon, buy a digital camera, so much
to
>do, so much to learn,
hi rikki,
i have some new shino pictures up on my photopage. those are the ones i
told you about at nceca.
also, i worked hard :-) and put up a dozen of pictures of the soda pots
we fired at gail nichols` wksp. they are under "new soda pots".
right now i cant decide which is my true love:
soda or shino?
shino or soda?
gee...
any comment would be appreciated!
cheers, marta
Marta Matray Gloviczki on tue 23 apr 02
Rikki Gill wrote:
...> I will
>have to get my own web site together soon, buy a digital camera, so much
to
>do, so much to learn,
hi rikki,
i have some new shino pictures up on my photopage. those are the ones i
told you about at nceca.
also, i worked hard :-) and put up a dozen of pictures of the soda pots
we fired at gail nichols` wksp. they are under "new soda pots".
right now i cant decide which is my true love:
soda or shino?
shino or soda?
gee...
any comment would be appreciated!
http://photos.yahoo.com/matraymarta
cheers, marta
Chris Greenman on wed 24 apr 02
Marta
Nice shino, nice forms, I like the soda fired pieces as well.
Thanks for sharing
Chris Greenman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rikki Gill"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: shino firing
> Gosh Marta, How to choose? Shino or Soda, or maybe Soda or shino? Its
> okay, I understand perfectly. The pictures are great. I love the Shino
> vase. The glaze is just gorgeous. Look like the workshop was really a
good
> one. I'll have to look for some workshops around here, because I really
> want to do some wood firing. I also loved the "Way of Tea" exhibit in
> New York. Best Wishes, Rikki
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marta Matray Gloviczki"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: shino firing
>
>
> > Rikki Gill wrote:
> >
> > ...> I will
> > >have to get my own web site together soon, buy a digital camera, so
much
> > to
> > >do, so much to learn,
> >
> > hi rikki,
> > i have some new shino pictures up on my photopage. those are the ones i
> > told you about at nceca.
> > also, i worked hard :-) and put up a dozen of pictures of the soda pots
> > we fired at gail nichols` wksp. they are under "new soda pots".
> > right now i cant decide which is my true love:
> > soda or shino?
> > shino or soda?
> > gee...
> > any comment would be appreciated!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/matraymarta
> >
> > cheers, marta
> >
> >
>
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>
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