sibylle on sun 19 mar 00
Hi
it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell, that
I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
knowledge with each other.
I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there no
problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are relatively
many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to earn our
living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
>From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites with
virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell me
if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my time
for that or not. What do you think about?
And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for creating
glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to learn
something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to work
with?
Thanks to all
(hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could be)
sibylle
Diane G. Echlin on mon 20 mar 00
Check out the digital fire web site: http://digitalfire.com/index.html. It has
MUCH information about glazes. I have been going through it for weeks now and f
I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of all the information. Also check o
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/GlazeTeach/. Both these sites have software prog
associated with them, and you can download a demo of Glaze teach to try out. Bu
through the tutorial first: it's well worth the time.
Di
sibylle wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi
> it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell, that
> I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
> knowledge with each other.
> I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there no
> problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are relatively
> many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to earn ou
> living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
> >From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites wi
> virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell me
> if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
> directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
> difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my time
> for that or not. What do you think about?
>
> And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for creatin
> glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to learn
> something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to work
> with?
>
> Thanks to all
> (hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could be)
>
> sibylle
Cantello Studios on mon 20 mar 00
You know your right about the freedom of information on this site is over
welling to me to. I have been a potter for 27 yr. in California and I have
been keeping secrets for a long time. If all the potters found this site I'm
not sure how I would feel but I know that I have shared some good stuff. It
feel like I'm sending it off somewhere and it can't come back to heart maim
trying to look at things much different than I use to Vivika Hanio once told
me what you gave away you keep forever. I'm trying to live that way now. Go
to the web page www.ceramicsweb.com you will find two glaze software
programs there I use Glazechem It has a nice filling system to work with. I
guess there's no secrets any more and I guess that's good??? Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU]On Behalf
Of sibylle
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:47 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: virtual galleries and glaze software
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hi
it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell,
that
I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
knowledge with each other.
I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there no
problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are relatively
many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to earn
our
living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
>From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites
with
virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell
me
if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my
time
for that or not. What do you think about?
And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for
creating
glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to learn
something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to work
with?
Thanks to all
(hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could be)
sibylle
David Hewitt on mon 20 mar 00
Hello Sibylle in Germany,
I am one of the potters who write and sell glaze calculation software. I
also have a web site which I have written myself. This has been really
useful in selling my glaze software and accompanying booklet. I do not
try to sell my pottery through my web site as I do not want to get into
the business of packaging and posting pots around the world. My output
all goes within easy reach of South Wales UK so it is not a problem.
You can quite easily prepare a simple web site from such applications as
Microsoft Word. Mine is a little more complex and I have used Hot Metal
Pro V.6. If you do have MS Word or MS Publisher I would suggest that you
try a simple page just to get the hang of things and feel your way on
from there.
David
In message , sibylle writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hi
>it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell, that
>I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
>knowledge with each other.
>I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there no
>problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are relatively
>many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to earn our
>living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
>From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites with
>virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell me
>if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
>directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
>difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my time
>for that or not. What do you think about?
>
>And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for creating
>glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to learn
>something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to work
>with?
>
>Thanks to all
>(hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could be)
>
>sibylle
>
--
David Hewitt
David Hewitt Pottery ,
7 Fairfield Road, Caerleon, Newport,
South Wales, NP18 3DQ, UK. Tel:- +44 (0) 1633 420647
FAX:- +44 (0) 870 1617274
Web site http://www.dhpot.demon.co.uk
Janet Kaiser on tue 21 mar 00
Guten Tag Sibylle!
There is a German version of Clay Art, but unfortunately very little is
really discussed! Questions are posted, an answer may or may not be given
and that is the end of the matter for another few weeks. But you can try
enlisting by going to the Neue Keramik web site and finding the link there.
I send messages to ton@hemplemann.com but forget how I originally
subscribed. It is moderated by G|nter Hemplemann at Kalkspatz e.V. (I
think).
There are several German subscribers to Clay Art but they are mostly
lurkers. Not everyone has such a good command of the English language as you
obviously do. But I also suspect it is part of the national characteristic
you bemoan... Independence is so important that one does not even talk to
others in the same field! The great academic/professional and the
professional/amateur divides are also much stronger and important in
Germany. The refreshing thing about Clay Art is that you get potters of all
ages, skills and backgrounds taking part on an equal basis. I personally do
not think this would be possible in Germany. I do not see a Herr Professor
Dr. of Ceramics in Berlin exchanging glaze recipes and dialogue (in public)
with an amateur in Bayreuth, although I may be quite wrong! Perhaps this is
only possible in the "Land of the free and the home of the brave"?
I will leave others with more knowledge and experience to answer your
questions on glaze programmes and web sites. But I look forward to you
remaining an active contributor to this magnificent resource. It is thanks
to the many voices of the generous souls who participate, that the whole is
so good. I am sure we would all welcome much more in-put from Germany and
the German speaking countries in Europe.
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art, Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales
Home of The International Potters Path
TEL: (01766) 523570
WEB: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
EMAIL: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: sibylle
To:
Sent: 19 March 2000 16:47
Subject: virtual galleries and glaze software
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hi
> it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell,
that
> I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
> knowledge with each other.
> I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there
no
> problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are
relatively
> many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to
earn our
> living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
> From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites
with
> virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell
me
> if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
> directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
> difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my
time
> for that or not. What do you think about?
>
> And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for
creating
> glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to
learn
> something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to
work
> with?
>
> Thanks to all
> (hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could
be)
>
> sibylle
>
Jean Todd on wed 22 mar 00
I know nothing about the technical side of glazes so I downloaded a glaze
software program, and could not make head nor tail of it. So I deleted it.
Now are you saying if you go through the Glaze Teach I will be able to use
it? Or would I have to learn Atomic weights and all the rest before I would
begin to understand the software? I love glazing, find that the best bit of
potting other than firing and would love to get better at it.
Jean
"Lang may your lum reek"
Diane G. Echlin on thu 23 mar 00
Jean Todd wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I know nothing about the technical side of glazes so I downloaded a glaze
> software program, and could not make head nor tail of it. So I deleted it.
> Now are you saying if you go through the Glaze Teach I will be able to use
> it?
I don't know if taking the Glaze Teach tutorial would help you use the program
better, but I found that it gave me a better understanding of what each
constituent of my recipe did.
> Or would I have to learn Atomic weights and all the rest before I would
> begin to understand the software?
I think the key to being able to use the software is having correct chemical
analyses for your chemicals. But I don't know for sure, as I don't use the
programs.
Di
Sharon31 on thu 23 mar 00
I could say the same, but I - downloaded, tried - confused - delete got
made, tried again and again
The last sentence:Instead of trying a new recipe 10 batches, I do 3 or 4.
And now I know exactly how much a particular glaze cost me!
Ababi
sharon@shoval.org.il
http://www.israelceramics.org/main.asp?what=gallery
http://clay.justnet.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Jean Todd
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 08:53
Subject: Re: virtual galleries and glaze software
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I know nothing about the technical side of glazes so I downloaded a glaze
> software program, and could not make head nor tail of it. So I deleted it.
> Now are you saying if you go through the Glaze Teach I will be able to use
> it? Or would I have to learn Atomic weights and all the rest before I
would
> begin to understand the software? I love glazing, find that the best bit
of
> potting other than firing and would love to get better at it.
>
> Jean
> "Lang may your lum reek"
John K Dellow on thu 23 mar 00
Jean ,
try and get a copy of Nigel Woods' " Oriental Glazes " UK
ISBN 0 273 01056 5 ( paperback edition. He explains glaze
chemistry calculation clearly with the use of a calculator. If
you can follow chapter 6 of this book ,I think you would then
know enough to use calculation programme.
John
John Dellow "the flower pot man"
Home Page http://www.welcome.to/jkdellow
http://digitalfire.com/education/people/dellow/
Jean Todd on thu 23 mar 00
>I do not see a Herr Professor
Dr. of Ceramics in Berlin exchanging glaze recipes and dialogue (in public)
with an amateur in Bayreuth, although I may be quite wrong! Perhaps this is
only possible in the "Land of the free and the home of the brave"?
I think this happens in Australia/New Zealand and Canada too. I know in
Australia all the best potters I know are most giving with their help,
information and even glaze recipes. I cannot think of one who is not.
Jean
"Lang may your lum reek"
Paul Taylor on thu 23 mar 00
Dear Sibylle
In Ireland we have one ceramic association that is open to all . We
produce a magazine organize one exhibition that accepts every body and
organize others that are juried. The ammeter have been the life blood of the
association ,since they do a lot of the work, and this Island only has four
and a half million people, so we can not afford the snobbery of exclusion-
even if it theoretically may raise standards.
Apart from the formal gatherings many potters in their areas cooperate.
Especially on projects like building specialized kilns. The educational
training establish meant cooperate in these projects.
In my area we do some joint marketing "the Nine Mayo potters".
But now we have the internet which breaks all boundaries. As this new
country grows those who have put the effort in will be it's citizens. This
can include yourself. You can forget about the begrudgers down the road
hoping that by strangling the goose you get golden eggs.
Culture is by gathering together and sharing. This is from the example
of people like Bernard Leach who broke the secrecy tradition. I find it odd
that it still remains in a reputedly modern state like Germany. I expect
that the guild mentality still exists. This also explains why I get constant
letters from young Germans looking for training, who are not willing to go
through a restrictive system that stunts creativity. This is not that I
believe in too liberal an apprenticeship. It is just that severn years
sweeping the pottery to improve ones caricature is all right in stories of
old Japan -the rest of us demand better.
I myself bother to answer letters to this list because I feel that
answers to questions should not be so complicated, that if the questioner
understood the answer ,his expertise would be such that he would not need to
answer the question in the first place. (If you can undestand that:-) . I
teach a second level course which means I do this one day a week any way.
Having a traditional training I try to pass on some of the technics and
short cuts that a professional potter uses, to people who only learnt in an
educational enviroment . The methods taught in most educational
establishments are not skills oriented. That may be no bad thing, since
creativity is a more important virtue to impart in the limited time you have
in the collage structure. I must add this does not go for every educational
establishment and things are changing fast but skills take practice and can
easily be lost. Tapping center is a good example.
I have also a selfish motive. I see no fault in enlightened self
interest. Martyrs do self sacrifice so much better than I. I live far away
from the markets that sell the Highest quality ware which I would like to
make more of. I hope a presents on the internet will give me the profile and
the confidence I need in dealing in this new market.
In short ,good luck . Write if you feel the need to discuss any thing.
When I get the site up and running constructive advice will be welcome.
In freindship Paul T
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Hi
>> it's about 2 weeks, I happened to find this list, and I want you to tell,
>that
>> I'm really impressed about the kindness and frankness you all share your
>> knowledge with each other.
>> I'm writing from germany, where nothing similar to this exists. Is there
>no
>> problem with competition in USA? Here in my little town there are
>relatively
>> many potters, but we are all some kind of single fighters in trying to
>earn our
>> living and so I want you to tell that you are really great.
>> From your discussions I learned, that many of you have their own web-sites
>with
>> virtual galleries and I'm thinking about having my own too. Could you tell
>me
>> if this is an alternative to a shop or selling at markets to get customers
>> directly or do you use them for getting more known at all? I think it's a
>> difficult thing to create a site and am not sure wether I should spend my
>time
>> for that or not. What do you think about?
>> And another question: sometimes you refer to a program (software?) for
>creating
>> glazes. What is its name, where could I get it? Is it also possible to
>learn
>> something about glazes or do I need to have good knowledge of glazes to
>work
>> with?
>>
>> Thanks to all
>> (hoping you understand my english, I know it is not as perfect as could
>be)
>>
>> sibylle
>>
madwa on fri 24 mar 00
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I do not see a Herr Professor
Dr. of Ceramics in Berlin exchanging glaze recipes and dialogue (in public)
with an amateur in Bayreuth, although I may be quite wrong! Perhaps this is
only possible in the "Land of the free and the home of the brave"?
I think this happens in Australia/New Zealand and Canada too. I know in
Australia all the best potters I know are most giving with their help,
information and even glaze recipes. I cannot think of one who is not.
Jean
"Lang may your lum reek"
Jean, I will have to second that - in our school, it is studio policy to
share glazes, make your own glazes and share those, and to help anyone with
respect to skill, technique and process in the studio. Such a policy and
attitude brings about far greater learning and some awesome glazes!
Sharry Madden
from Sweet New Zealand
martin howard on fri 24 mar 00
Jean Todd wonders whether to dive into Glaze programs and not delete them
from the hard disk.
I would say, yes. It does take a little study time to understand it but at
least you then have some idea of how the raw materials react with one
another. I always want to know WHY something happens.
I missed out at school on chemistry, but just last year I started reading
all the books I could find on glazes. Gradually it sunk in. For a 60 year
old I think that is quite an achievement. It gives me a real buzz now to
work out the glaze from a formula, using my analysed recycled raw materials.
I can now adapt the glazes for once firing, using David Hewitt's Glaze
Workbook. It is also good to know that he is there at the end of an E-mail
or phone if you have a problem. That gives him a chance to sell you a book
on how to understand your glaze tests. Also well worth while.
Martin Howard
Webb's Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road
Great Saling
BRAINTREE
Essex CM7 5DZ
01371 850 423
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
www.webbscottage.co.uk Should be ready for 2000 :-) or 2001
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