Jan Lipuma on wed 29 mar 00
Dear Doctor Clayart,
Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
TIA,
jan
Janice Lipuma
jlipuma@mindspring.com
Blue Moon Studio Pottery
Lexington KY USA
June Perry on thu 30 mar 00
Glycerine might work. I think you can buy it in the drugstore.
Regards,
June
Gregory D Lamont on thu 30 mar 00
At 06:04 PM 3/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Dear Doctor Clayart,
>Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
>unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
>right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
>but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
>add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
>tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
>in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
>"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
>TIA,
>jan
>
>Janice Lipuma
>jlipuma@mindspring.com
>Blue Moon Studio Pottery
>Lexington KY USA
Try adding a little liquid laundry starch to whatever it is that you're
brushing on. You'll have to experiment, adding little-by-little until you
achieve the desired consistency/workability. I've used it as the base for
"homemade" underglazes and it works quite well, in my
experience. Glycerine, which you can get at a pharmacy, will likey also
work. You might have to thin either with a little water to get the
brushing consistency you want. Of course, the watchword, as always, is
test, test, test.
Regards,
Greg
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Jan Cannon on thu 30 mar 00
On several of my glazes that I paint over, after rubbing down any
irregularities and smoothing the glaze out (obviously after the glaze has
been well dried), I just spray the pot with water and then paint my
decoration, which in my case is iron, cobalt or chrome oxide mixed only with
water.
Good luck.
Jan Cannon Pottery
19 Garen Road
Charlotte, VT 05445
802-425-6320
jan@jancannonpottery.com
www.jancannonpottery.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Lipuma
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 6:04 PM
Subject: brushwork on glaze
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Doctor Clayart,
> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
> unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
> right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
> but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I
also
> add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what?
Any
> tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
> in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
> "If it's not one thing, it's another!"
> TIA,
> jan
>
> Janice Lipuma
> jlipuma@mindspring.com
> Blue Moon Studio Pottery
> Lexington KY USA
>
Donald G. Goldsobel on thu 30 mar 00
The answer to your problem is to mix the dry well mixed ingredients with
glycerin. It will brush on smoothly with the addition of a few drops of
water. Too much water and the effect of the glycerin is lost. I have used
it with several blends of colorants and clay to do on-glaze decoration. The
glycerin holds the solution together so it won't drip off the brush , nor
run down the side of the pot. It can be bought at a baker's or cake
decorating supply house in pint quantities.
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Dear Doctor Clayart,
>Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
>unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
>right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
>but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
>add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
>tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
>in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
>"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
>TIA,
>jan
>
>Janice Lipuma
>jlipuma@mindspring.com
>Blue Moon Studio Pottery
>Lexington KY USA
>
Craig Martell on thu 30 mar 00
Jan asked:
>Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
>unfired glaze?
Hi:
I usually thin the glazes down with a bit more water and add an extra per
cent of macaloid or vee gum "t". If the color is too weak you can up the
percentage of colorant a bit. OK, I know you are working on an order and
time is of the essence but a little adjusting is usually necessary. I make
really concentrated colorants by adding 100 grams of a good well balanced
celedon, plus 100 grams of colorant to a bit less than a quart of water. I
sometimes ball mill these stains to homogenize the particle sizes, which
helps keep different color blends in suspension. Anyway, wetter, more
concentrated blends will brush on much smoother than a heavy suspension of
glaze. It also helps to add about 2% borax to the glaze you are painting
on. This gives a harder surface that doesn't suck colorant out of the
brush as fast.
regards, Craig Martell in Oregon
gwalker on thu 30 mar 00
Don't panic, Jan,
The secret is to add a little glycerine to the oxide/onglaze/water mix.
It will flow like the dickens without the brush sticking. (Tongue on
blotting paper! Yuck!) lol!
Geoff from downunder, who is slowly returning to clayart from lurkdom.
(More about that in another post.)
http://www.cronulla-pot.com.au/
Jan Lipuma wrote:
> ----------------------------Original
> message----------------------------
> Dear Doctor Clayart,
> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top
> of
> unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
> right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating
> with,
> but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I
> also
> add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or
> what? Any
> tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my
> head
> in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
> "If it's not one thing, it's another!"
> TIA,
> jan
>
> Janice Lipuma
> jlipuma@mindspring.com
> Blue Moon Studio Pottery
> Lexington KY USA
Jimmy Chandler on thu 30 mar 00
Jan Lipuma wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Doctor Clayart,
> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
> unfired glaze? *snip*
> Janice Lipuma
> jlipuma@mindspring.com
Hairspray is what I use but it can also dim your colors. One thing - and this
may sound very dumb but bear with me - is to make sure of the strokes.
Practice on paper until you get your arm and hand warmed up and loose and are
applying just the right amount of pressure. (Think of a baseball pitcher.)
I've found that rough strokes sometimes are from a cold arm (or too much
coffee).Laura Chandler
Kensington MD
gambaru on thu 30 mar 00
Have you tried gylcerine ? Also a small amount of cornwall stone in surface
glaze helps. - a better surface to brush on - MarjB
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Lipuma
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 6:04 PM
Subject: brushwork on glaze
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Doctor Clayart,
> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
> unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
> right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
> but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I
also
> add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what?
Any
> tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
> in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
> "If it's not one thing, it's another!"
> TIA,
> jan
>
> Janice Lipuma
> jlipuma@mindspring.com
> Blue Moon Studio Pottery
> Lexington KY USA
>
taube wilson on thu 30 mar 00
Jan-
Try adding glycerine(available at any drug store) - about
3 or 4 drops per yogurt-container of decorating glaze.
I first read about this glycerine trick in the "Complete Potter"
series - the book on decorating earthenware pottery, but it works
for stoneware glazes, too.
I have used this successfully with the "inglaze" formula from
the book "A Potter's Palette" - I mix my(white) glaze half-and-half
with water, then add about 1/4 - 1/2 tsp. of mason stain and a few
drops of glycerine. Brushes on beautifully. I would think that
adding the glycerine to any glaze to be brushed on would work.
-Taube
Taube Wilson
tpottery@hotmail.com
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Vivian Mills on thu 30 mar 00
I use CMC in the underneath unfired glaze, for majolica, and the covering
color goes on fine---
Also, could you use just the color, with maybe a small amount of glaze
added, for on top, rather than a thick glaze coating for the top decorating
part?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Lipuma
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:02 PM
Subject: brushwork on glaze
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Doctor Clayart,
Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
TIA,
jan
Janice Lipuma
jlipuma@mindspring.com
Blue Moon Studio Pottery
Lexington KY USA
Karen Shapiro on thu 30 mar 00
Hi Jan,
Here's a tip I got from Perry at Clay Art Center in
Tacoma. Use propylene glycol as the medium -- it has
worked well for me. You can get it at chemical supply
houses -- or, probably, from Perry. Their phone # is:
800 952-8030. Also check out their website for a
great selection of almost everything.
Hope that helps,
Karen in Gualala
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Cantello Studios on thu 30 mar 00
I know this all ready in the archives but here goes again. A Tec. at Mason
stain Co. once told me to mix up a 50 \ 50 mix of H20 and anti freeze the
kind you use in your can. This mix is then added to the dry glaze tell you
have the consentience of thick cream. If you have ever put your finger in
your radiator to check the fluid level, you would feel how slick it is,
that's why it works.( Will )if your out there could you add to this some
thanks Chris.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 3:04 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: brushwork on glaze
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Doctor Clayart,
Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
"If it's not one thing, it's another!"
TIA,
jan
Janice Lipuma
jlipuma@mindspring.com
Blue Moon Studio Pottery
Lexington KY USA
Marcia Selsor on thu 30 mar 00
ou can try spraying spray starch on top of the glaze after it is on the
pot. Then brush over it. This is how some people use overglazes on majolica.
Marcia
Jan Lipuma wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Dear Doctor Clayart,
> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
> unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
> right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
> but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I also
> add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what? Any
> tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
> in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>
> "If it's not one thing, it's another!"
> TIA,
> jan
>
> Janice Lipuma
> jlipuma@mindspring.com
> Blue Moon Studio Pottery
> Lexington KY USA
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Autumn Downey on fri 31 mar 00
A pottery friend of mine pointed out that it's much easier doing brushwork
on freshly glazed pots that are dry to the touch but not dusty dry. Within
an hour (or just abit more) seems ideal. So, it might pay not to glaze more
than you can decorate in that period of time. I also add a little glycerin
to the overglazes.
Autumn Downey
Stephen Mills on sat 1 apr 00
I think I have posted this before but I forget when:
An old Majolica painter's tip:
One dessert spoon of sugar dissolved into one Gallon (UK or US) of glaze
produces a crisp, firm surface to paint on once the (dipped) glaze has
dried, it doesn't adversely affect the glaze performance either.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , gambaru writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Have you tried gylcerine ? Also a small amount of cornwall stone in surface
>glaze helps. - a better surface to brush on - MarjB
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jan Lipuma
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 6:04 PM
>Subject: brushwork on glaze
>
>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Dear Doctor Clayart,
>> Could anyone shed some light on how to achieve smooth brushwork on top of
>> unfired glaze? I have tried adding fabric softener, but that was not
>> right. Into another batch I added CMC to the glaze I am decorating with,
>> but now it is all clumped up in the bottom of the container. Should I
>also
>> add Darvon 7, spray hair spray or spray starch onto the piece or what?
>Any
>> tips would be greatly appreciated. I think I have gotten in over my head
>> in agreeing to so much brushwork on this dinneware order. Yikes
>>
>> "If it's not one thing, it's another!"
>> TIA,
>> jan
>>
>> Janice Lipuma
>> jlipuma@mindspring.com
>> Blue Moon Studio Pottery
>> Lexington KY USA
>>
>
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Stanley Irvin on mon 3 apr 00
jan,
I do a lot of brushwork over raw glaze surfaces and have had no
serious problems. Have you tried mixing oxides in an engobe, then
applying, or perhaps just thinning with water to a more brushable
consistency? Also it could be that your base glaze is too powdery
and not a good surface to paint on causing your brush to "freeze" in
mid stroke. The only other thing I can think of is to add glycerin to
your washes, though I have not found that to be necessary with the
glazes I use.
Stan Irvin
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