Pat Taylor on sat 1 apr 00
I just purchased a pugmill for a teaching studio. Funds were limited. Before
making the decision, I tried a Peter Pugger that a studio potter had recently
purchased. It worked well, and I was impressed with its clay mixing and pugging
options. Unfortunately, the price was beyond my budget.
I purchased the small Bluebird Pugmill. Our studio has a large table covered
with a 4 inch thick slab of plaster. Since the Bluebird only pugs and
reprocesses clay, we still break any bonedry clay down to slip. Every few
days we pour the slip onto the plaster table to dry it into a workable state.
The clay is then pugged and de-aired. Leatherhard and plastic clay scraps are
pugged directly through the pugmill.
I find the Bluebird to be very good, especially for a small studio. I am in
the second semester at a new school, and I can identify with the sore wrist
problem.
Patrick Taylor
Marshall Talbott on sun 2 apr 00
You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are for
pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either very
well..
Marshall
http://www.potteryinfo.com
>From: Pat Taylor
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:30:15 EST
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I just purchased a pugmill for a teaching studio. Funds were limited.
>Before
>making the decision, I tried a Peter Pugger that a studio potter had
>recently
>purchased. It worked well, and I was impressed with its clay mixing and
>pugging
>options. Unfortunately, the price was beyond my budget.
>
>I purchased the small Bluebird Pugmill. Our studio has a large table
>covered
>with a 4 inch thick slab of plaster. Since the Bluebird only pugs and
>reprocesses clay, we still break any bonedry clay down to slip. Every few
>days we pour the slip onto the plaster table to dry it into a workable
>state.
>The clay is then pugged and de-aired. Leatherhard and plastic clay scraps
>are
>pugged directly through the pugmill.
>
>I find the Bluebird to be very good, especially for a small studio. I am
>in
>the second semester at a new school, and I can identify with the sore wrist
>problem.
>
>Patrick Taylor
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tgschs10 on mon 3 apr 00
Marshall,
I can't let this pass, whereas Pat may have made a decision based on
available funds, a blue bird is not a "best choice" financial considerations
aside. I sold a blue bird pug mill and soldner mixer and used the money to
buy a Peter Puger - better than both put together. I know those who have
read my posts in the past must be getting satiated but the Peter Puger is
the best buy I've ever made as a potter.
tgschs10@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marshall Talbott"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are for
> pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either
very
> well..
>
> Marshall
> http://www.potteryinfo.com
>
> >From: Pat Taylor
> >Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
> >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:30:15 EST
> >
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >I just purchased a pugmill for a teaching studio. Funds were limited.
> >Before
> >making the decision, I tried a Peter Pugger that a studio potter had
> >recently
> >purchased. It worked well, and I was impressed with its clay mixing and
> >pugging
> >options. Unfortunately, the price was beyond my budget.
> >
> >I purchased the small Bluebird Pugmill. Our studio has a large table
> >covered
> >with a 4 inch thick slab of plaster. Since the Bluebird only pugs and
> >reprocesses clay, we still break any bonedry clay down to slip. Every
few
> >days we pour the slip onto the plaster table to dry it into a workable
> >state.
> >The clay is then pugged and de-aired. Leatherhard and plastic clay scraps
> >are
> >pugged directly through the pugmill.
> >
> >I find the Bluebird to be very good, especially for a small studio. I am
> >in
> >the second semester at a new school, and I can identify with the sore
wrist
> >problem.
> >
> >Patrick Taylor
>
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vince pitelka on mon 3 apr 00
> You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are for
> pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either
very
> well..
Marshall -
The above post is a little baffling, considering all the strong testimonials
we have received recently on Clayart from small studio owners who are very
happy with their Peter-Puggers. It is a very ingenious machine, which
serves a certain niche very well. Your statement above is a pointless slap
in the face to all the people who posted their satisfaction with their
Peter-Puggers.
For a big production studio that mixes its own clay, I agree with your
previous assessment - the best solution is a Soldner mixer AND a good
deairing pugmill. But don't presume to imply that this is within the means
of most studio potters. In fact, for most studios it would be an absurd
misdirection of funds. A good de-airing mill is never a waste of money for
any studio potter, but the Soldner mixer is a silly expense except for those
with cash to burn or those mixing large amounts of custom claybodies from
scratch. There are much easier, cheaper ways for all others to mix or
recycle clay, especially with a good de-airing pugmill for final processing.
But that is all beside the point. The fact is that the Peter Pugger is a
beautiful machine for what it was designed to do.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
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Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Marshall Talbott on thu 6 apr 00
Weee doogies!
Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the neighborhood
of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a deairing venco
4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand.. (prices when we
purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you FAR more for
your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and quality of the
product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...:)
Marshall
http://www.potteryinfo.com
>From: vince pitelka
>Reply-To: vince pitelka
>To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:48:10 EDT
>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are
>for
> > pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either
>very
> > well..
>
>Marshall -
>The above post is a little baffling, considering all the strong
>testimonials
>we have received recently on Clayart from small studio owners who are very
>happy with their Peter-Puggers. It is a very ingenious machine, which
>serves a certain niche very well. Your statement above is a pointless slap
>in the face to all the people who posted their satisfaction with their
>Peter-Puggers.
>
>For a big production studio that mixes its own clay, I agree with your
>previous assessment - the best solution is a Soldner mixer AND a good
>deairing pugmill. But don't presume to imply that this is within the means
>of most studio potters. In fact, for most studios it would be an absurd
>misdirection of funds. A good de-airing mill is never a waste of money for
>any studio potter, but the Soldner mixer is a silly expense except for
>those
>with cash to burn or those mixing large amounts of custom claybodies from
>scratch. There are much easier, cheaper ways for all others to mix or
>recycle clay, especially with a good de-airing pugmill for final
>processing.
>
>But that is all beside the point. The fact is that the Peter Pugger is a
>beautiful machine for what it was designed to do.
>- Vince
>
>Vince Pitelka
>Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
>615/597-5376
>Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>Appalachian Center for Crafts
>Tennessee Technological University
>1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
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Robert Marshall Simpson on fri 7 apr 00
I think that for the a small studio Vince is right on the money! In a
school situation or were large amounts of clay are mixed from scratch the 2
machines are fine but for a small operation using and recycling prepared
clay the Peter Pugger is the wiser choice.
Kayte---Okay with her Petter Pugger in OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marshall Talbott"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Weee doogies!
>
> Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the
neighborhood
> of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a deairing
venco
> 4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand.. (prices when
we
> purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you FAR more for
> your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and quality of the
> product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...:)
>
>
> Marshall
> http://www.potteryinfo.com
>
> >From: vince pitelka
> >Reply-To: vince pitelka
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
> >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:48:10 EDT
> >
> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > > You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are
> >for
> > > pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either
> >very
> > > well..
> >
> >Marshall -
> >The above post is a little baffling, considering all the strong
> >testimonials
> >we have received recently on Clayart from small studio owners who are
very
> >happy with their Peter-Puggers. It is a very ingenious machine, which
> >serves a certain niche very well. Your statement above is a pointless
slap
> >in the face to all the people who posted their satisfaction with their
> >Peter-Puggers.
> >
> >For a big production studio that mixes its own clay, I agree with your
> >previous assessment - the best solution is a Soldner mixer AND a good
> >deairing pugmill. But don't presume to imply that this is within the
means
> >of most studio potters. In fact, for most studios it would be an absurd
> >misdirection of funds. A good de-airing mill is never a waste of money
for
> >any studio potter, but the Soldner mixer is a silly expense except for
> >those
> >with cash to burn or those mixing large amounts of custom claybodies from
> >scratch. There are much easier, cheaper ways for all others to mix or
> >recycle clay, especially with a good de-airing pugmill for final
> >processing.
> >
> >But that is all beside the point. The fact is that the Peter Pugger is a
> >beautiful machine for what it was designed to do.
> >- Vince
> >
> >Vince Pitelka
> >Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
> >615/597-5376
> >Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> >615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> >Appalachian Center for Crafts
> >Tennessee Technological University
> >1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> >http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
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Diane G. Echlin on fri 7 apr 00
> Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the neighborhood
> of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a deairing venco
> 4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand.. (prices when we
> purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you FAR more for
> your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and quality of the
> product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...:)
Yes, but I, for one have a serious space constraint, being elbow to elbow with
the other potters at my co-op studio...one unit takes up much less space than 2.
Di
Janet Harper on fri 7 apr 00
In a message dated 4/6/00 10:38:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
clayart2@hotmail.com writes:
<< ---------------------------Original message----------------------------
Weee doogies!
Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the neighborhood
of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a deairing venco
4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand.. (prices when we
purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you FAR more for
your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and quality of the
product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...:)
Marshall
http://www.potteryinfo.com
>>
Dear Marshall,
I agree with Vince on this subject. I have just ordered a deairing Peter
Pugger and can't wait for its arrival! I have a small space to work in and
the Peter Pugger will fit in nicely. The combo of clay mixer and pug mill
may be logical if your studio is spacious, you are mixing large quantities of
clay and you have money to spend. I had the Peter Pugger recommended by a
friend who is a production potter and has used the Peter for 10 years. He
mixes clay, reclaims scrap and warms up the clay with his...about 7 tons a
years...and loves it. No problems in all those years.
I used to mix my own clay in a Walker-Jamar mixer and then wedge. I am at a
point in my life that I don't want the back-breaking work of lifting 50 and
100 lb bags of clay ingredients. The arthritis that I developed in my spine
from that has not been worth the littlle bit of money I saved by mixing it
myself. I feel that I make better use of my time by making pots than by
mixing clay. I'll continue to buy my clay from Highwater and use the pugmill
to save the little bit of cartilage left in my hands...no more wedging for me!
The problem with making a blanket statement like yours is that you have no
idea what the working conditions or needs are for those of us out in
cyberland...how can you make statements that may apply to you but at the same
time condemn other people's judgements about how to have their own needs met.
Maybe in the future you should include an "IMHO" ( "in my humble opinion").
Just my own HO.
Keep on pottin'
Janet
vince pitelka on fri 7 apr 00
> Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the
neighborhood of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a
deairing venco 4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand..
(prices when we purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you
FAR more for your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and
quality of the product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...
Marshall -
Ruffled?? Hmmmm. Up to your old tricks again, I see . . . . .
But seriously, if the Peter Pugger does the trick, then one would be an
absolute fool to invest in a Soldner mixer and a 4" Venco and take up all
that space unnecessarily. I can see that you are real proud of your
machines, but it is a little silly of you to be so self-righteous when you
obviously know little about how well the Peter Pugger works. Why don't you
just accept the testimonials of those who own them and love them?? What
could be more obvious?
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
David Woodin on sat 8 apr 00
You will be well pleased with the Peter Puger I bought mine on the
recommendation of Otto Heino. Being able to put some water with hard clay
mix, pug and deair is a great plus as is the fact that it is on heavy duty
wheels.
David
Veronica Honthaas on sat 8 apr 00
ARe we all talking about the Power Wedger or some other model of the peter
pugger?
At 01:01 PM 4/7/00 EDT, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I think that for the a small studio Vince is right on the money! In a
>school situation or were large amounts of clay are mixed from scratch the 2
>machines are fine but for a small operation using and recycling prepared
>clay the Peter Pugger is the wiser choice.
>
>Kayte---Okay with her Petter Pugger in OK
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marshall Talbott"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:31 AM
>Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
>
>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Weee doogies!
>>
>> Vince.... I fail to see the point on spending somewhere on the
>neighborhood
>> of 4 grand for the deairing Peter Pugger when you can have a deairing
>venco
>> 4" and soldern studio model for somewhere around 6.5 grand.. (prices when
>we
>> purchased) Dollar for dollar the venco and soldner give you FAR more for
>> your hard earned money.. Just look at the labor savings and quality of the
>> product vs cost before you get overly ruffled...:)
>>
>>
>> Marshall
>> http://www.potteryinfo.com
>>
>> >From: vince pitelka
>> >Reply-To: vince pitelka
>> >To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: Pugmill advice
>> >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:48:10 EDT
>> >
>> >----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> > > You made a wise decision.. clay mixers are for mixing and pugmills are
>> >for
>> > > pugging.. the hybrid machines such as the peter pugger don't do either
>> >very
>> > > well..
>> >
>> >Marshall -
>> >The above post is a little baffling, considering all the strong
>> >testimonials
>> >we have received recently on Clayart from small studio owners who are
>very
>> >happy with their Peter-Puggers. It is a very ingenious machine, which
>> >serves a certain niche very well. Your statement above is a pointless
>slap
>> >in the face to all the people who posted their satisfaction with their
>> >Peter-Puggers.
>> >
>> >For a big production studio that mixes its own clay, I agree with your
>> >previous assessment - the best solution is a Soldner mixer AND a good
>> >deairing pugmill. But don't presume to imply that this is within the
>means
>> >of most studio potters. In fact, for most studios it would be an absurd
>> >misdirection of funds. A good de-airing mill is never a waste of money
>for
>> >any studio potter, but the Soldner mixer is a silly expense except for
>> >those
>> >with cash to burn or those mixing large amounts of custom claybodies from
>> >scratch. There are much easier, cheaper ways for all others to mix or
>> >recycle clay, especially with a good de-airing pugmill for final
>> >processing.
>> >
>> >But that is all beside the point. The fact is that the Peter Pugger is a
>> >beautiful machine for what it was designed to do.
>> >- Vince
>> >
>> >Vince Pitelka
>> >Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
>> >615/597-5376
>> >Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>> >615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>> >Appalachian Center for Crafts
>> >Tennessee Technological University
>> >1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>> >http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>
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