Marshall Talbott on sat 1 apr 00
I hope that folks don't get the wrong impression about what a peter pugger
will do in comparison to a Soldner Claymixer and a Venco pugmill... the
little hybrid peter pugger can't do a fraction of the work nor can it do it
at the same level of proficiency/quality as the two other machines.. The
hobbiest may do well to get a peter pugger but should not expect the results
that can be had from the industrial machines.. The 4" venco deairing pugmill
and the soldner studio model claymixer set us back about a total of $6500
for the pair however, they did soon paid for themselves...
Marshall
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Cindy Strnad on sun 2 apr 00
Marshal,
I agree that the Peter Pugger isn't a high-output machine, but it does do a
very good job. I make my living in clay, and am very pleased with it. I
should point out, though, that most of my work is quite labor-intensive, and
so my output is not as high as that of many production potters.
If I needed more clay, quicker, I would certainly go with the larger,
industrial sized machines, but for what I do, the Peter Pugger is perfect.
Cindy Strnad
earthenv@gwtc.net
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
Jonathan Kaplan on sun 2 apr 00
Um.....we have been through this subject many times in the past.
So I'll be brief. Pug mills are for pugging and de-airing mixed clay. Clay
mixers are for mixing or reclaiming clay. You can remix in a pug but it is
not efficient. Sure there may be some cross over, but use the right tool
for the right job (Mr Natural right?)
I think the Peter Pugger is a great hybrid and is probably the machine to
have in a small studio. I do think that for less money you could buy the
small Bluebird stainless steel mixer and their small deairing pugmill.
In our operation, we have 2 Bluebird pugs and the screens shred clay and
the vacuum system deairs it flawlessly. The Powerstar 3000 is a great
machine. Our old 750 keeps chugging along with new components and upgrades.
Think of the size of your studio and what you really need. We need to have
flexibility and the ability to work with well over 15 assorted clay bodies
that need both press consistency and throwing / jiggering consistency. We
can dismantle the 3000 in 30 minutes, clean it completely and reassemble it
in another 30 minutes and get a totally different clay body up and running
through it. We use a Soldner mixer (purchased 1975)
to mix the boxed clay into press consistency with its companion dry mix.
Otherwise the clay in the box is fine for jiggering, slabs, and throwing.
Clearly our needs are different.
If you are working with just one clay, a small pug, a small mixer, or a
Peter Pugger would be a good choice depending on how much you wish to
spend.
But I also think that these machines can last you a life time and provide
you with a life time of quality service, not to mention a healthy back and
wrists. All these machines
IMHO are built very well and will last a lifetime with proper maintenance
and care.
Jonathan
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Ceramic Design Group
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Steamboat Springs CO 80477
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Tom Eastburn on mon 3 apr 00
Marshall,
What is a hobbiest? Why can't the, as you call it, "little hybrid Peter
Pugger" do a fraction of the work. Not any fraction? Hmmm? So, if I
was to spend twice as much as you did for your set up, as you did for mine,
would I then have the right to refer to your unit as one for a hobbiest?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the original question was referring
to a small pugmill. All of a sudden it's become a message that bigger and
more expensive is best. Duhh. If the pugmill de-airs the clay without any
air bubbles and can pump out several hundred pounds of clay daily, how much
clay does a pugmill have to pug in order not to be a hobbiest toy? I wish I
could affoard a large clay mixer, as I am at this point in time using
premixed shelf clays as opposed to going out and digging my own or buying
the powered stuff, but then that's another subject.
Take care,
----- Original Message -----
From: Marshall Talbott
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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 1:24 PM
Subject: Pugmills and Claymixers
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I hope that folks don't get the wrong impression about what a peter pugger
> will do in comparison to a Soldner Claymixer and a Venco pugmill... the
> little hybrid peter pugger can't do a fraction of the work nor can it do
it
> at the same level of proficiency/quality as the two other machines.. The
> hobbiest may do well to get a peter pugger but should not expect the
results
> that can be had from the industrial machines.. The 4" venco deairing
pugmill
> and the soldner studio model claymixer set us back about a total of $6500
> for the pair however, they did soon paid for themselves...
>
> Marshall
> http;//www.potteryinfo.com
>
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