Terry Sullivan/Nottingham Center for the Arts on thu 20 apr 00
Hmmmmm. Deadbeats ??? Kinda a strong word Vince. I know you didn't start this
thread but still.......
Dictionary defines as: an idle, feckless or disreputable person. A person
constantly in debt. ( Oxford ). or ( World Book two volume) : a person who
avoids paying for what he gets, a lazy person.
Would be advisable to be careful what you say and how you say it folks.
If you are going to accuse/critisize be sure you are using words the mean
exactly what you intend. Topic like this is infamatory enought without miss
used and insulting language. Be gental and careful for all our sakes.
Yes, I observed many good ceramists, who we all know on the list, exchanging
pots privately. Some may have even not put one in the Clayart exchange.
This stuff has been going on for as long as NCECA has been in existance and
well before. It is what potters do when visiting friends.
Many of these folks are my respected friends. Not one could ever be
considered a
"Deadbeat" in any context and certainly not as artist/craftsperson/potters.
It is totally the persons choise and Vince or I or anyone else in Clayart has
no say in what they do or don't do with their pots. Not our business.
EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking their
pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put them
into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
Put your pots in or don't. No rules in clayart on this ( and I sure hope
there never is one. Written or unwritten). But, if ya do then you should
leave it in.
Kinda like bringing some food to a potluck and deciding to take it off the
table before the meal and go off with someone and swap meals cause you like
theirs best. Very bad manners.
I did not bring a pot/cup/mug to the clayart exchange. Didn't expect one.
Would like to but got to damn busy and I am not a "potter". Haven't thrown in
years.
Again; would like to but.......
Plan on bringing some stuff next year. Think it's a great idea. I'll make the
effort.
Don't think I or anyone else should get any shit or even a little verbal
frown because they didn't bring something for the exchange. If that is where
Clayart is headed I'm against it. First step in formalizing and codifing (sp
?) something fun.
Once that happens it isn't as much fun.
Terry Sullivan
Nottingham Center for the Arts
Personal email to: Go2tms@aol.com
PS- yes I know there are gramatical and spelling errors in the above message.
However; they do not significantly, if at all, lead to confusion as to my
intent or meaning. Not the same as using a major word incorrectly in a heated
discussion.
L. P. Skeen on fri 21 apr 00
Terry wrote:
> Hmmmmm. Deadbeats ??? Kinda a strong word Vince. I know you didn't >start
this thread but still....... Dictionary defines as: ( World >Book two
volume) : a person who avoids paying for what he gets, a lazy >person.
Dear Terry,
Perhaps you dinna SEE the first post in this thread, which is why you don't
understand that Vince is not calling anyone a deadbeat. The first note in
this thread referred to the persons in the STAY AT HOME mug exchange to whom
the original writer had sent a mug as per the Stay At Home Mug Exchange
agreement - and those recipients had never reciprocated. THOSE people are
the deadbeats, and the use of the word is in compliance with the World Book
dictionary you quoted.
> EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking
their
> pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put them
> into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
>
I believe this is exactly the thing Vince was complaining about, and I agree
w/ both of you on the inappropriateness of said actions. If I wanted to
trade w/ someone other than the exchange, I would bring extra mugs.
> Put your pots in or don't. No rules in clayart on this ( and I sure hope
> there never is one. Written or unwritten). But, if ya do then you should
> leave it in.
I think that might count as an unwritten rule. :)
L
Chris Schafale on fri 21 apr 00
Terry,
Vince didn't use the word -- I did. And I used it in the sense
defined below " a person who avoids paying for what he gets" to
refer to those people who received mugs in the stay-at-home
exchange but failed to reciprocate. I used it in the spirit of yanking
folks' chain and getting them to respond, but I'll stand by it. I get
really steamed about people who take without giving back.
Chris
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hmmmmm. Deadbeats ??? Kinda a strong word Vince. I know you didn't start this
> thread but still.......
> Dictionary defines as: an idle, feckless or disreputable person. A person
> constantly in debt. ( Oxford ). or ( World Book two volume) : a person who
> avoids paying for what he gets, a lazy person.
>
> Would be advisable to be careful what you say and how you say it folks.
> If you are going to accuse/critisize be sure you are using words the mean
> exactly what you intend. Topic like this is infamatory enought without miss
> used and insulting language. Be gental and careful for all our sakes.
>
> Yes, I observed many good ceramists, who we all know on the list, exchanging
> pots privately. Some may have even not put one in the Clayart exchange.
> This stuff has been going on for as long as NCECA has been in existance and
> well before. It is what potters do when visiting friends.
> Many of these folks are my respected friends. Not one could ever be
> considered a
> "Deadbeat" in any context and certainly not as artist/craftsperson/potters.
>
> It is totally the persons choise and Vince or I or anyone else in Clayart has
> no say in what they do or don't do with their pots. Not our business.
>
> EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking their
> pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put them
> into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
>
> Put your pots in or don't. No rules in clayart on this ( and I sure hope
> there never is one. Written or unwritten). But, if ya do then you should
> leave it in.
>
> Kinda like bringing some food to a potluck and deciding to take it off the
> table before the meal and go off with someone and swap meals cause you like
> theirs best. Very bad manners.
>
> I did not bring a pot/cup/mug to the clayart exchange. Didn't expect one.
> Would like to but got to damn busy and I am not a "potter". Haven't thrown in
> years.
> Again; would like to but.......
> Plan on bringing some stuff next year. Think it's a great idea. I'll make the
> effort.
>
> Don't think I or anyone else should get any shit or even a little verbal
> frown because they didn't bring something for the exchange. If that is where
> Clayart is headed I'm against it. First step in formalizing and codifing (sp
> ?) something fun.
> Once that happens it isn't as much fun.
>
> Terry Sullivan
> Nottingham Center for the Arts
> Personal email to: Go2tms@aol.com
> PS- yes I know there are gramatical and spelling errors in the above message.
> However; they do not significantly, if at all, lead to confusion as to my
> intent or meaning. Not the same as using a major word incorrectly in a heated
> discussion.
>
Light One Candle Pottery
Fuquay-Varina, North Carolina, USA
(south of Raleigh)
candle@intrex.net
http://www.lightonecandle.com
vince pitelka on fri 21 apr 00
> EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking
their
> pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put them
> into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
Yes, Terry, and as I said very clearly in my post, it is great that people
bring extra pots to trade with others, but what bothered me was those who
brought pots specifically for the Clayart mug exchange, and then decided not
to risk getting a pot they didn't want, and instead chose to trade them
directly with others whose pots they KNEW they wanted. Of course it is
there choice, but I thought it was a sleazy thing to do. Or as you put it
so well, just plain bad manners.
> Don't think I or anyone else should get any shit or even a little verbal
> frown because they didn't bring something for the exchange. If that is
where Clayart is headed I'm against it. First step in formalizing and
codifing (sp?) something fun.
Terry, you are giving me a bad time about things I never said. I certainly
encouraged Clayarters to each bring a mug for the exchange, but I never
scolded anyone for not bringing a mug. See above.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Kent / Pat on sat 22 apr 00
Hi There in ClayArtLand
Here's another twist on the deadbeat theme:
I arrived Wednesday Morning in the ClayArt room where I deposited 2 mugs.
I looked lovingly at all the mugs that had arrived by then. (I drool
easily) I would be able to take home two from the selection and make maybe
2 new friends plus the two new friends that I would make by having my mugs
there.
Unfortunately, I could not make the exchange. I contacted Mel and then
Kathleen after she posted that she had 2 left. Mel, bless his little soul,
voluntarily sent me one of his that he had laying around. That meant so
much to me. Kathleen said that by the time I got back to her there was only
1 left. She is sending that one, and I will gratefully respond to the maker
if the business card is included. I think that is the respectful way to
respond.
But as to the 2 that I left, I have heard nothing. Even if they were the
last 2 mugs there, I would like to have had the chance to strike up an
acquaintance or at least have had a thank you. I think that is good form.
If I have a chance to go to another mug exchange, I would still do so. It
just hurts a little to think people don't care enough to acknowledge the
effort put forth in good faith.....
Pat Porter
pporter@4dv.net
Aurora CO USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: NCECA mug exchange deadbeats ??
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking
> their
> > pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> > privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put
them
> > into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
>
> Yes, Terry, and as I said very clearly in my post, it is great that people
> bring extra pots to trade with others, but what bothered me was those who
> brought pots specifically for the Clayart mug exchange, and then decided
not
> to risk getting a pot they didn't want, and instead chose to trade them
> directly with others whose pots they KNEW they wanted. Of course it is
> there choice, but I thought it was a sleazy thing to do. Or as you put it
> so well, just plain bad manners.
>
> > Don't think I or anyone else should get any shit or even a little verbal
> > frown because they didn't bring something for the exchange. If that is
> where Clayart is headed I'm against it. First step in formalizing and
> codifing (sp?) something fun.
>
> Terry, you are giving me a bad time about things I never said. I
certainly
> encouraged Clayarters to each bring a mug for the exchange, but I never
> scolded anyone for not bringing a mug. See above.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Home - vpitelka@dekalb.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Les Crimp on sat 22 apr 00
Hi All -
Just to let you know there are probably many of us who participated in the
stay-at -home mug exchange (graciously converned by our friend, Chris) that
sent mugs and received mugs in return. The one I received from my partner
in Virginia was REALLY GREAT and I use it every day now. It suits the green
tea with Jasmine Blossoms that I drink. MMmmmmmm!
Les Crimp in Nanoose Bay, B.C. (Vancouver Island in the Great Pacific
Northwest Rainforest) Getting ready to fire up the wood kiln
lcrimp@home.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: L. P. Skeen
To:
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: NCECA mug exchange deadbeats ??
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Terry wrote:
> > Hmmmmm. Deadbeats ??? Kinda a strong word Vince. I know you didn't
>start
> this thread but still....... Dictionary defines as: ( World >Book two
> volume) : a person who avoids paying for what he gets, a lazy >person.
>
>
> Dear Terry,
>
> Perhaps you dinna SEE the first post in this thread, which is why you
don't
> understand that Vince is not calling anyone a deadbeat. The first note in
> this thread referred to the persons in the STAY AT HOME mug exchange to
whom
> the original writer had sent a mug as per the Stay At Home Mug Exchange
> agreement - and those recipients had never reciprocated. THOSE people are
> the deadbeats, and the use of the word is in compliance with the World
Book
> dictionary you quoted.
>
>
> > EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking
> their
> > pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> > privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put
them
> > into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
> >
>
> I believe this is exactly the thing Vince was complaining about, and I
agree
> w/ both of you on the inappropriateness of said actions. If I wanted to
> trade w/ someone other than the exchange, I would bring extra mugs.
>
> > Put your pots in or don't. No rules in clayart on this ( and I sure hope
> > there never is one. Written or unwritten). But, if ya do then you should
> > leave it in.
>
> I think that might count as an unwritten rule. :)
>
> L
>
Earl Brunner on mon 24 apr 00
My understanding of the way the mug exchange works it that
you get
someone's name to send to, they get someones name to send to
and you
are not necessarily exchanging directly with the same
person. Least
wise, that was the way we did it last year on the stay home
exchange
and that is the way we did it at NCECA,
"L. P. Skeen" wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Terry wrote:
> > Hmmmmm. Deadbeats ??? Kinda a strong word Vince. I know you didn't >start
> this thread but still....... Dictionary defines as: ( World >Book two
> volume) : a person who avoids paying for what he gets, a lazy >person.
>
> Dear Terry,
>
> Perhaps you dinna SEE the first post in this thread, which is why you don't
> understand that Vince is not calling anyone a deadbeat. The first note in
> this thread referred to the persons in the STAY AT HOME mug exchange to whom
> the original writer had sent a mug as per the Stay At Home Mug Exchange
> agreement - and those recipients had never reciprocated. THOSE people are
> the deadbeats, and the use of the word is in compliance with the World Book
> dictionary you quoted.
>
> > EXCEPT: ( and here is the rub ) I did observe several Clarters taking
> their
> > pots OUT of the mug exchange and trading them privately( not even that
> > privately since I observed this in the Clayart room) after having put them
> > into the common pool. Bad form folks !!!!!
> >
>
> I believe this is exactly the thing Vince was complaining about, and I agree
> w/ both of you on the inappropriateness of said actions. If I wanted to
> trade w/ someone other than the exchange, I would bring extra mugs.
>
> > Put your pots in or don't. No rules in clayart on this ( and I sure hope
> > there never is one. Written or unwritten). But, if ya do then you should
> > leave it in.
>
> I think that might count as an unwritten rule. :)
>
> L
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
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