Connell, James D. on fri 21 apr 00
Hello,
I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
good.
Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
Just curious,
Jim
Virginia Scotchie on fri 21 apr 00
-------------------
Hi Jim,
You should call him and let him know. Susan Filey used to work with him for
several years. Call her. I love my red mug. Mine will be coming to you all =
this
month. Any news on NCECA demonstrators for 2001? Let me know.
Love, Virginia
Joyce Lee on sat 22 apr 00
Connell, James D. wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jim
I have Coleman's glaze book, have tried most of them at least on tests,
and now use several regularly. I think it's a terrific book. However, I
also use Coleman's white stoneware clay, bee-mix, and porcelaineous
clay with his glazes. I don't know if that would make a difference or
not.
Joyce
In the Mojave
Lee Marshall on sat 22 apr 00
i bought tom's glaze book at a woorkshop a couple of years ago and all the
recipes i've tried, vegas red, copper teal, lipstick purple etc are awesome.
however i have a geil kiln and an oxyprobe and fire the same schedule that
tom fires
lee
lmarsh1220@aol.com
John Britt on sat 22 apr 00
Jim,
I got Coleman's book and thought it had some great recipes in it. For
example Vegas Red, Sperry Red, Don's Red, McCall's Red, Pet's Red, etc.
Many of these recipes are similar to other Reds but with slight variations.
On page 4 is Standard Clear. This glaze is unbeatable on Grolleg
Porcelain. It doesn't craze or fog up. It is slightly high on the CaO
which causes infrequent problems with crawling. This is glaze has been
around awhile, Aka Pinnell Celadon, or Ball clear, etc. If you add 1% tin
and 2% Barium Carbonate you get a great light blue celadon on a Grolleg
body. And then add 3% Barnard you have Pinnell Celadon . (Of course you
must fire it in heavy reduction.)
This recipe is almost the same as Elaine's Apple Green Celadon on page 26
But they add yellow iron and Chrome.
Some of the glazes are not quite what he lists but many are. I assume it
is my firing that caused the difference.
Anyway I like the glazes.
I'm taking off for a week so won't be able to respond until later.
Later,
John Britt
www.dysfunctionalpottery.com/claudude
Tom Wirt/Betsy Price on sat 22 apr 00
We've tried several and they work just fine. Many of Tom's glazes may be
sensitive OT application and firing. How much experimenting did the student
do to try different thickness, firing sequences, etc.
Tom Wirt
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
Bob Hanlin on sat 22 apr 00
I bought the book and tried vegas red (not good results) and the no-craze
glaze. It didn't craze.
BobH.
bobhanlin@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Connell, James D.
To:
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:10 PM
Subject: T Coleman's Glaze Book
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jim
>
Stephen Mills on sat 22 apr 00
This I feel goes straight back to the age old truism that if you give
three Cooks the same recipe you will get three different cakes.
A recipe given is a starting point. The variables at YOUR end are what
make it yours.
Steve
Bath
UK
In message , Connell, James D. writes
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello,
>
>I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
>years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
>good.
>
>Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
>and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
>Just curious,
>
>Jim
>
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
home e-mail: stevemills@mudslinger.demon.co.uk
work e-mail: stevemills@bathpotters.demon.co.uk
own website: http://www.mudslinger.demon.co.uk
BPS website: http://www.bathpotters.demon.co.uk
Tel: **44 (0)1225 311699
Fax: **44 (0)870 0526466
Jonathan Kaplan on sat 22 apr 00
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello,
>
>I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
>years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
>good.
What does this mean...."None of them looked good?" To whom, and why? Were
they mixed correctly and fired correctly? Were they fired on a porcelain
body?
I will concur that glazes don't travel well (thanks Tony!) but the point is
that any glaze when mixed and fired in another studio in another situation
with others mixing, with different firing parameters will more than likely
be different then when mixed and fired at the original studio in the
original kilns. Is this what you mean by not looking good?
I would also suggest that unless accurate weighing procedures, in any glaze
are followed, then the results would certainly be different. Mypoint here
are certainly not to discriminate against students, but I would question
how they were mixed and fired.
>
>Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
>and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
I have Tom's glaze book and have tested most of the purples, reds, and
clears, and have found that they all worked for me.
>
>Just curious,
>
>Jim
Jonathan Kaplan
Ceramic Design Group LTd/Production Services
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs, CO 80477
(970) 879-9139 voice and fax
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign
UPS: 1280 13th St. Unit13
Steamboat Springs, CO 80487
'Chapatsu' Rob Uechi on sun 23 apr 00
I've tried 10 of the recipes from Coleman's book. The ones that came out
well I like a lot, and the ones that didn't were just terrible.
I think for B's Shino, the "B" may stand for "barf"...
The rust black and peach temmokus came out beautifully.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Connell, James D. wrote:
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jim
>
Bob Hanlin on sun 23 apr 00
I might further say that I fire in a hardbrick 30cu ft. downdraft with a
barrell arch, the kiln is almost 30 years old....
Bob again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hanlin
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: T Coleman's Glaze Book
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I bought the book and tried vegas red (not good results) and the no-craze
> glaze. It didn't craze.
>
> BobH.
> bobhanlin@earthlink.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Connell, James D.
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 2:10 PM
> Subject: T Coleman's Glaze Book
>
>
> > ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple
of
> > years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them
looked
> > good.
> >
> > Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> > and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
> >
> > Just curious,
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
Martin Howard on sun 23 apr 00
This sounds like a MUST HAVE book.
But, does it book cover glazes in the range 02-2?
If so, I would want to read it, if not buy it.
If not, why should I bother?
That is the problem with glazes.
They are so personal; my glazes depend on my situation, RMs, kiln, cones,
number of firings, clay, wishes, market etc etc
So, what we all need to do is, using OUR own conditions, fire test tiles of
all possible useful combinations.
Christine Constant & Steve Ogden have showed us the way in The Potter's
Palette. We just need our own version and then work on improving it ad
infinitum. Oh, leave some time for throwing pots as well, of course.
Martin Howard
Webb's Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
England
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
friedlover on sun 23 apr 00
Also looking for a good simple glaze book for low fire, white talc body.
Have been playing with a couple of Richard Behrens so far with some
interesting results. Any recommendations?
Also would like a low fire crystal recipe. Any helpers? Thanks much.
Friedlover@msn.com
Rhonda Fried
----- Original Message -----
From: Connell, James D.
To:
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: T Coleman's Glaze Book
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jim
Andie on mon 24 apr 00
If anyone has the rust and peach tenmoku recipes mentioned in the post below
at their disposal, I would really love a copy of them -
Thanks!
Andie
andiekc@iname.com
www.andie.net
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Chapatsu' Rob Uechi
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: T Coleman's Glaze Book
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I've tried 10 of the recipes from Coleman's book. The ones that came out
>well I like a lot, and the ones that didn't were just terrible.
>
>I think for B's Shino, the "B" may stand for "barf"...
>The rust black and peach temmokus came out beautifully.
>
>On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, Connell, James D. wrote:
>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
>> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
>> good.
>>
>> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
>> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>>
>> Just curious,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
Earl Brunner on mon 24 apr 00
I work intermittently out of Tom Coleman's studio, I can
tell you that
the formula's are "Good" in the sense that they are in fact
Coleman Clay studio glazes that are used in Las Vegas. Many
are the same glazes and formula's as the one's that Aardvark
Clay is marketing premixed.
I'll get this messed up probably, but I can't ind the
original.
There is a story of a master potter who has a stuent come to
him and ask
for the recipe to one of his signature glazes. The master
complied by
giving the recipe. The student came back, complaining that
the recipe
did not work, i.e. did not give the same results. To which
the master
replied, "It is not my glaze now, it is yours, you must make
it work for
you."
Or something to that affect.
I will quote from the introduction to Tom's glaze book:
"The formulas in this book are the best of the glazes I use
at the
present time. I am not sure these will work the same for
everyone
because that has a lot to do with the type of kiln you use,
firing
times, altitudes, etc.
My glazes have been formulated around a ten to fourteen hour
firing
cycle with a five to six hour period of medium reduction
from the start
of reduction to the end of the firing.
All my glazes have been fired in either a soft brick or
fiber down draft
kiln with a natural draft burner system. Although I still
use these
glazes daily, I must caution everyone to test accordingly
(sic) to your
own circumstance. I hope these glazes work as good for you
as they have
for me."
I have not used all the recipes in my kiln, but the ones I
have used work
for me.
BTW I purchased a copper red mug of yours at the NCECA cup
sale. Thanks.
"Connell, James D." wrote:
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Hello,
>
> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
> good.
>
> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Jim
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
Cantello Studios on mon 24 apr 00
I feel this is a great topic because through the years I have received a lot
of glazes from all over. The thing is if you don't know how to fire them,
you may never see their beauty. Jim's Point is right on here. I have been
firing copper reds for some 26 years It only took me five years of notes to
get it right. So now I find this Clayart which seem to let out all the good
stuff at will and that's ok. Then this post, it just makes me snicker. Tom
Coleman has always been one of the leaders of the pack so to speak. How else
could he get away with asking such an outrageous price for a bunch of notes.
That was not meant as a cut either. I must have some 5000 glazes or more and
guess what it's not the glaze it's how you fire it. The great thing about
clay is, it's a life long journey and if you stay with it, it will come.
What's it you say, well it's all things, after 27 yr. with clay in my heart
it just comes, any thing, all of it, it just comes and its good, all good.
The short of this post is there are no short cuts just the long long journey
and life is good, Happy Easter. Let the mud fly. Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU]On Behalf
Of Jonathan Kaplan
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:26 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: T Coleman's Glaze Book
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello,
>
>I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
>years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
>good.
What does this mean...."None of them looked good?" To whom, and why? Were
they mixed correctly and fired correctly? Were they fired on a porcelain
body?
I will concur that glazes don't travel well (thanks Tony!) but the point is
that any glaze when mixed and fired in another studio in another situation
with others mixing, with different firing parameters will more than likely
be different then when mixed and fired at the original studio in the
original kilns. Is this what you mean by not looking good?
I would also suggest that unless accurate weighing procedures, in any glaze
are followed, then the results would certainly be different. Mypoint here
are certainly not to discriminate against students, but I would question
how they were mixed and fired.
>
>Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
>and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
I have Tom's glaze book and have tested most of the purples, reds, and
clears, and have found that they all worked for me.
>
>Just curious,
>
>Jim
Jonathan Kaplan
Ceramic Design Group LTd/Production Services
PO Box 775112
Steamboat Springs, CO 80477
(970) 879-9139 voice and fax
http://www.sni.net/ceramicdesign
UPS: 1280 13th St. Unit13
Steamboat Springs, CO 80487
Joan Ashworth on wed 26 apr 00
Is there an on line store where an alien can touch down and buy this text,
now that it includes glazes for oxidation?
Joan Ashworth
in KwaZulu (which means Heaven, I believe)... South Africa
-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Brunner
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: T Coleman's Glaze Book
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I work intermittently out of Tom Coleman's studio, I can
>tell you that
>the formula's are "Good" in the sense that they are in fact
>Coleman Clay studio glazes that are used in Las Vegas. Many
>are the same glazes and formula's as the one's that Aardvark
>Clay is marketing premixed.
>I'll get this messed up probably, but I can't ind the
>original.
>There is a story of a master potter who has a stuent come to
>him and ask
> for the recipe to one of his signature glazes. The master
>complied by
>giving the recipe. The student came back, complaining that
>the recipe
>did not work, i.e. did not give the same results. To which
>the master
>replied, "It is not my glaze now, it is yours, you must make
>it work for
>you."
>Or something to that affect.
>I will quote from the introduction to Tom's glaze book:
>"The formulas in this book are the best of the glazes I use
>at the
>present time. I am not sure these will work the same for
>everyone
>because that has a lot to do with the type of kiln you use,
>firing
>times, altitudes, etc.
>My glazes have been formulated around a ten to fourteen hour
>firing
>cycle with a five to six hour period of medium reduction
>from the start
>of reduction to the end of the firing.
>All my glazes have been fired in either a soft brick or
>fiber down draft
>kiln with a natural draft burner system. Although I still
>use these
>glazes daily, I must caution everyone to test accordingly
>(sic) to your
>own circumstance. I hope these glazes work as good for you
>as they have
>for me."
>I have not used all the recipes in my kiln, but the ones I
>have used work
>for me.
>
>BTW I purchased a copper red mug of yours at the NCECA cup
>sale. Thanks.
>
>
>
>"Connell, James D." wrote:
>>
>> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a student who bought Tom Coleman's Glaze book at NCECA a couple of
>> years ago and said she has tried 24 glaze recipes and none of them looked
>> good.
>>
>> Has anyone out there bought the book and tried the glazes and were happy
>> and/or thrilled with their results? Anybody dissatisfied?
>>
>> Just curious,
>>
>> Jim
>
>--
>Earl Brunner
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
>mailto:bruec@anv.net
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