Cindy Strnad on sun 14 may 00
Janet,
Archiving articles by publishers is a great idea. One consideration, though,
is that most writers sell articles on a one-time use, one medium basis. For
example, First North American Publication Rights. In other words, the
magazine buying the article has the right to publish it once and the
guarantee that no one else will be allowed to publish the article before
them. Anything more than that, and they must obtain further rights from the
author.
Some writers (newspaper journalists for example) work for hire, and the work
they produce belongs to the newspaper or other publication that pays them
their salary or piece-work fee. Most free lance writers are understandably
somewhat antagonistic toward having their work re-published ad infinitum
without compensation. On the other hand, many of the articles written for
periodicals aren't really salable a second time--at least not on the same
continent.
Publishers are leaning more toward requiring writers to sell all rights to
their work, in all media. That's a good thing for publishers and probably a
good thing for consumers, but not really a good thing for writers, as the
publishers generally don't want to pay any more money for "all rights".
Myself, I don't mind, unless it was a great novel that ended up on the
screen grossing millions (fat chance). *Then* I would mind.
Cindy Strnad
earthenv@gwtc.net
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
JFAXFORD@AOL.COM on sun 14 may 00
Thanks for calling our attention to the article in the NYTimes on Leach. I
went to your web site to read the article and was thrilled to see your
beautiful work!. Thanks for sharing both with us. JoAnn Axford.
Jan Cannon on sun 14 may 00
There was a good article in the New York Times yesterday (Fri., May 12) =
about Bernard Leach and Japanese pottery. The title of the article is =
"A Father Of Pottery As a High Art." It is on page 40 of the B section. =
For those who don't have access to the NYT I scanned the article and =
put in on the "LINKS" page of my web site. It is titled "NYT article".
Jan Cannon Pottery
19 Garen Road
Charlotte, VT 05445
802-425-6320
jan@jancannonpottery.com
www.jancannonpottery.com
Janet Kaiser on sun 14 may 00
Thanks Jan. It is most thoughtful of you to post the article. It is so
frustrating hearing people discussing articles of which there is no general
access to outside the country they are published.
I realise this is a newspaper article but magazines are just as bad, if not
worse. In theory we can subscribe to publications around the world, but who
has the necessary $$ for that?
I can only afford two subscriptions at any one time. I chose Ceramic Review
and Crafts. If I could afford it, Ceramics Monthly (US), Studio Ceramics
(UK), Neue Keramik (Germany), Ceramic Art and Perception (Australia) and the
Greek publication (forget name) would be first on my list.
I for one am really disappointed in the internet age so far. If it was a
perfect world, there would be a library of articles from each publication,
that one could read at leisure once they have disappeared from the book
shelves. They could be promoted and sponsored by advertisers in the usual
way so they would not loose their audiences either. Indeed, they would get
"enhanced" readerships.
Relatively few potters world-wide have internet access, so the sales of real
magazines would not be affected...
And there would not be the worry of breaching copyright for individuals
reporting on articles. I think of the difficulty I had on sending the Lime
Popping article in CPA News to everyone last year. It was not possible then.
because I could not contact and get written permission off the five or six
people involved as well as the editor and CPA...
I hope the publishers will start to archive all articles of a year or older
one day soon. It would be a wonderful service.
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art, Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales
Home of The International Potters Path
TEL: (01766) 523570
WEB: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
EMAIL: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Cannon
Subject: New York Times Leach & Japanese pottery article
There was a good article in the New York Times yesterday (Fri., May 12)
about Bernard Leach and Japanese pottery. The title of the article is "A
Father Of Pottery As a High Art." It is on page 40 of the B section. For
those who don't have access to the NYT I scanned the article and put in on
the "LINKS" page of my web site. It is titled "NYT article".
Jan Cannon Pottery
19 Garen Road
Charlotte, VT 05445
802-425-6320
jan@jancannonpottery.com
www.jancannonpottery.com
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Diane Mead on mon 15 may 00
The New York Times does have access to its archives on the net, but I
think for
older stuff they charge an access fee.
Diane Mead
taube wilson on mon 15 may 00
Two things:
1) Thanks, Jan, for pointing this out - I had missed it. I just
wanted to let everyone know that the illustrated catalog for the
show can be viewed at http://www.phillips-auctions.com/usa/index.html
Click on "Auction Catalogs" in the left-hand column, then on
"20th Century Japanese Ceramics and Design". Hamada, Leach, Kawai,
others. I had a lot of fun looking it over yesterday, even though
bidding on any of it is pure fantasy for me. The auction will take place on
Wednesday at noon,EST.
2) The New York Times may be read online for free. Just go to
http://www.nyt.com. You can read today's paper without
registering, and can search back issues if you care to fill out
the registration form(it's all free). Same for the Washington
Post(http://www.washingtonpost.com) and lots of other newspapers,
I'll bet. Also, many magazines have excerps available online
(the Atlantic Monthly, for one. Also Studio Potter).
Taube Wilson
Annandale,Va.
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DeBorah Goletz on mon 15 may 00
Janet, the New York Times does, in fact have a web site where you can order
a copy of any article - for a price of two dollars US currency. This is
kind of appalling because: 1) it is nearly four times the cost of an entire
paper and 2) these same articles used to be available FREE through the New
York public library system (which does provide free access to a miriad of
international publications - newspapers as well as magazines). Sadly, The
New York Times has placed capitalism before free speech by removing free web
access.
Best,
DeBorah Goletz
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on mon 15 may 00
Thank you very much, taube, for finding the auction catalogs. I was pretty
sure this was an extremely important event for the US before I looked at the
Phillips home-page, but now I'm sure that this represents only the beginning
of a major trend in ceramics as an extremely valuable investment for
collectors in the US. Phillips specializes in these kind of decorative
arts, especially 20th century dec arts, auctions. I'm not sure but I don't
think there have been any auctions by Sotheby's, Christie's, etc. of 20th
century american ceramics by people like Voulkos, Soldner, Heino/Natzler,
etc. in the U.S. I think that this is just a feeler by Phillips (it's
their first auction in the states, by the way) to see what the market is in
the states for things like this. If this lot does well, you can look for
other auctions of ceramic art in the future. I think this is very good for
the business in general.....but, if the stock market continues a downward
trend....and ceramics doesn't have a good track record of going up in value,
this may be a short-lived time in the sun.
What do you think, Wendy Rosen, if you're monitoring the list??
Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taube wilson [SMTP:tpottery@HOTMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:11 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: New York Times Leach & Japanese pottery article
>
> Two things:
> 1) Thanks, Jan, for pointing this out - I had missed it. I just
> wanted to let everyone know that the illustrated catalog for the
> show can be viewed at http://www.phillips-auctions.com/usa/index.html
> Click on "Auction Catalogs" in the left-hand column, then on
> "20th Century Japanese Ceramics and Design". Hamada, Leach, Kawai,
> others. I had a lot of fun looking it over yesterday, even though
> bidding on any of it is pure fantasy for me. The auction will take place
> on
> Wednesday at noon,EST.
>
> 2) The New York Times may be read online for free. Just go to
> http://www.nyt.com. You can read today's paper without
> registering, and can search back issues if you care to fill out
> the registration form(it's all free). Same for the Washington
> Post(http://www.washingtonpost.com) and lots of other newspapers,
> I'll bet. Also, many magazines have excerps available online
> (the Atlantic Monthly, for one. Also Studio Potter).
>
> Taube Wilson
> Annandale,Va.
> tpottery@hotmail.com
>
>
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Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 15 may 00
I went today for the viewing and was dumbstruck. What a magnificent collection!
Aside from the pottery, there were several Nakashima furniture pieces (a personal
fave), a couple kimono, and and Issey Mayaki jacket.
I put my hand in a Hamada! Too bad most potters wages won't come near affording
some of these splendid works. I did splurge on a catalogue.
FYI -- Phillips is doing a Lucie Rie/Hans Coper auction in London in June, and
there is a catalogue available. Phillips can be contacted on-line.
(www.phillips-auctions.com)
Ray Aldridge on mon 15 may 00
(snip)
If this lot does well, you can look for
>other auctions of ceramic art in the future. I think this is very good for
>the business in general.....but, if the stock market continues a downward
>trend....and ceramics doesn't have a good track record of going up in value,
>this may be a short-lived time in the sun.
>
I don't know. This would pertain only to investment quality ceramic art,
which most of us do not produce. For those whose wares are bought for
their own sakes, rather than as an investment, the stock market and the
trends in art prices in the secondary market are only of interest as
general barometers of the economic weather. Whenever I begin to get
doleful about possible economic downturns and their effect on the
discretionary income purse strings, I think of Henry Varnum Poor, a painter
who survived the Great Depression by making pottery instead of paintings.
He rightly surmised that folks who couldn't afford a painting might be able
to afford a bowl.
Ray
Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
http://www.goodpots.com
Janet Kaiser on tue 16 may 00
Thanks DeBorah, Ned L. and others for the information about on-line NY
Times.
Isn't it perverse that you can read the current edition on-line (free) and
therefore (in theory) denying them of a sale, but have to pay for anything
more than 24 hours old? In other words, you pay for what is in the garbage
or wrapping up pots.
Even then it is pay first, read later. $2.50 is an awful lot for one
article... Especially if you are paying from outside the $ economy. I bet
bank charges would increase the fee to $5 (minimum).
I call the whole thing a rip-off! Unless the author is getting extra... And
if you believe that...
I am young, beautiful and the best thing since sliced bread :-)
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art, Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales
Home of The International Potters Path
TEL: (01766) 523570
WEB: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
EMAIL: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on tue 16 may 00
I'm interested in the term "investment quality art". I'm sure that Clarice
Cliff didn't think she painted investment quality art for her manufacturer.
Nor did Weller, or several of the other manufacturers whose mass produced
works command high prices among collectors. Who determines investment
quality art, anyway? It's the market, not the inherent value of the piece.
About 20 years ago, you could buy a Charles DeMuth drawing for $20. Try
that now. About 20 years ago, you could buy Mackintosh chairs at the flea
market. Try that now. Clement Greenburg, the art critic that was famous
for making the abstract impressionists famous created the market for these
painters by his essays, not because there is something called "investment
quality" painting.
Who's to say that someone on this list is not an artist who produces work
that might be considered "investment quality" eventually. My point
is---was--that for the first time, ceramics is being considered in the same
way that paintings have been---worthy of an auction strictly on its own
merits. We are constantly complaining about the status of pots. Well,
here is an example, finally, of the West raising the status of pottery to
"art". If you look at the Phillips Home Page, you'll see that they are
having an auction in England of JUST Hans Coper and Lucie Rie. That's
pretty impressive.
Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Aldridge [SMTP:pbwriter@FWB.GULF.NET]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:29 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: New York Times Leach & Japanese pottery article
>
> (snip)
>
> If this lot does well, you can look for
> >other auctions of ceramic art in the future. I think this is very good
> for
> >the business in general.....but, if the stock market continues a downward
> >trend....and ceramics doesn't have a good track record of going up in
> value,
> >this may be a short-lived time in the sun.
> >
>
> I don't know. This would pertain only to investment quality ceramic art,
> which most of us do not produce. For those whose wares are bought for
> their own sakes, rather than as an investment, the stock market and the
> trends in art prices in the secondary market are only of interest as
> general barometers of the economic weather. Whenever I begin to get
> doleful about possible economic downturns and their effect on the
> discretionary income purse strings, I think of Henry Varnum Poor, a
> painter
> who survived the Great Depression by making pottery instead of paintings.
> He rightly surmised that folks who couldn't afford a painting might be
> able
> to afford a bowl.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
> http://www.goodpots.com
>
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Lee Love on wed 17 may 00
----- Original Message -----
From: Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI)
|
| Who's to say that someone on this list is not an artist who produces work
| that might be considered "investment quality" eventually.
One of the last conversations I had with my friend Tatsuo, before he moved
to Yokohama, was about figuring out which potters whose work is available in
Mashiko would be a good investment (he is planning on opening an
antique/folkcraft shop in Seattle in the future.) Usually, National
Living Treasures are not a good investment, because they've already hit
their highest prices. Tatsuo bought several pieces of work made by
students of Hamada and Shimaoka.
Pottery of living potters and ceramic artist in Japan _is_ bought for
investment purposes.
--
Lee Love
2858-2-2 , Nanai , Mashiko-machi ,Tochigi-ken 321-4106 JAPAN
Ikiru@kami.com Voice Mail and Faxes (a USA number): (303) 256-0374
Russel Fouts on mon 29 may 00
Lois,
>> I went today for the viewing and was dumbstruck. What a magnificent
collection! Aside from the pottery, there were several Nakashima furniture
pieces (a personal fave), a couple kimono, and and Issey Mayaki jacket. I
put my hand in a Hamada! Too bad most potters wages won't come near
affording some of these splendid works. I did splurge on a catalogue.
FYI -- Phillips is doing a Lucie Rie/Hans Coper auction in London in June,
and there is a catalogue available. Phillips can be contacted on-line.
(www.phillips-auctions.com) <<
Sorry to have missed you! I spent the whole of Monday afternoon there, I was
with my red-headed friend, Rusty. Not only could you have put your hand in a
Hamada but for only the asking, you could actually handle one or as many as
you wanted! It's why I like auctions.
Rusty actually bid on and got the small Leach tile, the small Leach,
porcelain tea bowl and the small, Leach print. Prices on some of the items
started MUCH higher than the stated starting price. I particularly liked the
letter from Bernard to Michael Cardew suggesting a throwing job with a
collegue of his "if he was hard up".
Russel
Russel Fouts
Mes Potes & Mes Pots
Brussels, Belgium
Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
Http://www.mypots.com
http://www.Japan-Net.ne.jp/~iwcat
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