Hank Murrow on sun 9 jul 00
I'm looking for ideas for poetry, songs, readings in keeping with this
theme! M.C. Richards is the obvious one; any other ideas?? Thanks!
>Priscilla Wilson
Dear Priscilla; Have you seen Tom Crawford's book of poems, "Lauds"? There
is a beauty in there called, "Anagama" and another called, "The Longing":
both having to do with clay and the search for being. I'm firing with him
at the jewel Creek Anagama in late July; and will ask permission to send
you the texts. Or, look in your library.......Cedar House Books, ISBN
0-9635727-1-7. Good Luck! Hank in Eugene
Priscilla Wilson and/or Janice Lymburner on sun 9 jul 00
Bob Owens will be guest speaker at the Ga. Mtns. Unitarian Universalist =
Church in Dahlonega on Sunday, Aug. 6. He'll be talking about =
spirituality in connection with being a potter. I'm looking for ideas =
for poetry, songs, readings in keeping with this theme! M.C. Richards is =
the obvious one; any other ideas?? Thanks!=20
Priscilla Wilson
P.S. Would anyone like to be reminded of this date when it gets closer??
Martin Howard on mon 10 jul 00
Just an idea for this Unitarian Service:-
I wrote to Quaker-B, the ClayArt equivalent of this list for Quakers in the
UK, about the similarity of centering when at the Pottery Wheel and
centering down when in a Quaker Meeting for Worship.
One of my Friends on that list mentioned a book from the Pendle Hill website
http://www.pendlehill.org/bookstore.html
"Centering in Pottery, Poetry, and the Person" by M C Richards.
Wesleyan Press, 159 pgs, $15.95, paper bound.
I have not read it myself as paying for and obtaining books from that side
of the pond is still not easy, but it might contain some interesting ideas
for August 6th.
Martin Howard
Webb's Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
England
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
hal mc whinnie on mon 10 jul 00
do you know about the hambidge center in rabun gap?
bob owen helpted build a kiln there and his father and grandfather were
important contacts for mary hambidge in the 1930's.
hal mc whinnie
-----Original Message-----
From: Priscilla Wilson and/or Janice Lymburner
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:02 PM
Subject: Poems about pottery
Bob Owens will be guest speaker at the Ga. Mtns. Unitarian Universalist
Church in Dahlonega on Sunday, Aug. 6. He'll be talking about spirituality
in connection with being a potter. I'm looking for ideas for poetry, songs,
readings in keeping with this theme! M.C. Richards is the obvious one; any
other ideas?? Thanks!
Priscilla Wilson
P.S. Would anyone like to be reminded of this date when it gets closer??
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Cat Jarosz on mon 10 jul 00
here is one I put on all my care cards and found it in an old CM eons ago
. Think its an old quaker verse... now if I can recall it off the top of
my head:
EARTH, AIR, WATER &FIRE these are the ingredients of pots and human
beings alike and each formular contains also the element of Chance... do
not seek perfection in pots or people, for your search will go unrewarded
and you will miss knowing many good pots and many good people.... unknown
Hope this makes somebodys day :o)
Sheron Roberts on mon 10 jul 00
I don't know if this has been
mentioned yet, and with the
thread running about public
domain, I shall not quote
from it, but Robert Piepenburg's
book, The Spirit of Clay, has=20
some beautiful thoughts
concerning the spirit of what
we do. If you have this book
look in the beginning and
ending statements.
Sheron in NC
Pam on mon 10 jul 00
This might beg the obvious, but there is a hymn that begins "Have thine own
way, Lord/Have thine own way/Thou art the potter/I am the clay/Mold me and
make me after thy will/While I am waiting/Yielded and still/"
I have a photocopy if you want it.
Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Priscilla Wilson and/or Janice Lymburner"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:59 AM
Subject: Poems about pottery
Bob Owens will be guest speaker at the Ga. Mtns. Unitarian Universalist
Church in Dahlonega on Sunday, Aug. 6. He'll be talking about spirituality
in connection with being a potter. I'm looking for ideas for poetry, songs,
readings in keeping with this theme! M.C. Richards is the obvious one; any
other ideas?? Thanks!
Priscilla Wilson
P.S. Would anyone like to be reminded of this date when it gets closer??
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ZALT@AOL.COM on mon 10 jul 00
I enjoy writing poetry about pottery. My problem is that my wife thinks my
poems are a bit on the racy side. I guess I just like to get down in the
mud.
Terrance Frank Lazaroff.
St-Hubert, Quebec, Canada!!!!!
Zalt's Web Page
The Brinks on tue 11 jul 00
Here's one from the "Tao Te Ching", (as translated by Dagobert D. Runes)-
the eleventh poem:
"Thirty spokes run into one hub; yet in the emptiness of the wheel lies its
essence.
>From clay a jar is formed; yet in its emptiness lies the essence of the
container.
Rooms are made by cutting windows and doors into the walls, yet in its
emptiness lies the essence of the room.
The visual matter can be observed but it is the Invisible that constitutes
the true being."
Until later,
Ann Brink in CA, forgoing any comments on the above for now, since I
started this post two hours ago, got interrupted, and have lost the
impetus., or inclination, whatever..probably just as well-(:-) Must be
bedtime.
Elizabeth Alter on tue 11 jul 00
Hi all! I'm a newcomer here and am loving reading all the mail.
Love the verse, thank you for sharing it; it's going up on my refrigerator
so I can read
it when I start each day.
Liz
-----Original Message-----
From: Cat Jarosz
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Poems about pottery
>here is one I put on all my care cards and found it in an old CM eons
ago
>. Think its an old quaker verse... now if I can recall it off the top of
>my head:
>
> EARTH, AIR, WATER &FIRE these are the ingredients of pots and human
>beings alike and each formular contains also the element of Chance... do
>not seek perfection in pots or people, for your search will go unrewarded
>and you will miss knowing many good pots and many good people....
unknown
>
> Hope this makes somebodys day :o)
>
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Ray Aldridge on tue 11 jul 00
At 11:50 AM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't know if this has been
>mentioned yet, and with the
>thread running about public
>domain, I shall not quote
>from it,
Sheron, I think you can safely quote brief excerpts from the book. This
would, in my opinion, fall clearly into the legal domain of what's called
"fair use." It was recognized long ago that if copyright were to be
absolutely enforced, then no one, book reviewers included, could talk
meaningfully about books. So a few lines from a poem would almost always
be okay.
Ray
Aldridge Porcelain and Stoneware
http://www.goodpots.com
Jeanne Wood on tue 11 jul 00
Greetings,
This is from Kabir, a 15th Century Persian
Philosopher/Mystic.
He believed in non-violence in the midst of a violent
world.
"Inside this clay jug there are canyons and pine
mountains, and the maker of
canyons and pine mountains! All seven oceans are
inside, and hundreds and
millions of stars. The acid that tests gold is
there, and the one who
judges jewels. And the music from the strings no
one touches, and the
source of all water. If you want the truth, I will
tell you the truth:
Friend listen: the God whom I love is inside."
-- Kabir.
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Priscilla Wilson and/or Janice Lymburner on tue 11 jul 00
Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas for the Unitarian Universalist
service with pottery theme. We are located in Dahlonega, Georgia near the
southern terminus of the Appalachian Trail (and, yes, not so far from the
Hambidge Center either). I did not know that Bob's father had been
associated with Mary Hambidge. He'll be pleased about the post (I don't
think he's on Clayart, but I'll tell him.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Murrow
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Poems about pottery
>I'm looking for ideas for poetry, songs, readings in keeping with this
>theme! M.C. Richards is the obvious one; any other ideas?? Thanks!
>>Priscilla Wilson
>
>Dear Priscilla; Have you seen Tom Crawford's book of poems, "Lauds"? There
>is a beauty in there called, "Anagama" and another called, "The Longing":
>both having to do with clay and the search for being. I'm firing with him
>at the jewel Creek Anagama in late July; and will ask permission to send
>you the texts. Or, look in your library.......Cedar House Books, ISBN
>0-9635727-1-7. Good Luck! Hank in Eugene
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
___
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
Cyberpotter@AOL.COM on wed 12 jul 00
<< "Have thine own way, Lord/Have thine own way/ Thou art the potter/I am the
clay/ Mold me and make me after thy will/ While I am waiting/Yielded and
still/" >>
Oh wow, I think I remember this from the Methodist Hymnal... I wish I could
recollect the melody.... the "yielded and still" phrase really takes me
back.......
Nancy in SW Ohio where it's currently so unbearably muggy that my stuff is
staying at the leatherhard stage almost indefinitely...
Sheron Roberts on wed 12 jul 00
Thank you Ray
I wasn't sure about quoting from any
book, but you clarified that worry for
me. What you said makes perfect
sense. I cannot type all the beautiful=20
statements Robert Piepenburg makes=20
and selecting just a few is very hard,=20
so I strongly recommend to Priscilla, if you=20
have access to the book
read A Letter. . ., page 7-10 and Why
Clay page 423 & 424. Of course you
will want to read the entire book, but
these pages really focus on the human
spirit and clay. And on that note I quote,=20
from The Spirit of Clay, by Robert Piepenburg,
"Because your relationships with clay is=20
ultimately more human than technical, you
will more often than not find yourself on a path
of self-formation that will be every bit as rewarding
as your path of clay-formation. Such transformations
of human expansion are not unprecedented in the
arts. It's just that with ceramics and it's primal
connections to physical elements such as earth,
water, and fire, and thousands of years of history
... that it becomes more immediate. The spiritual
connections between ceramic arts and human=20
nature are intuitive and essentially inherent."
"With respect for imagination comes respect for
human capacities and a context central to=20
humanness: spirituality. It's the spiritual
dimension that makes it meaningful. Elusive
as it may be the spirit must be cultivated with
as much soulful caring and crafting as is given
raw ceramic materials. The rewards although
humble, can empower human life and give
greatest depth and texture to works of clay."
Sheron in NC
BonitaCohn@AOL.COM on wed 12 jul 00
Dear Cat, Thank you for posting this lovely prose--I have had it on my
studio wall for years. It was published at least 10 years ago in The Studio
Potter Network, a newspaper, attributed to Ross Murphy, Kansas potter.
The unknown is now known.
"EARTH, AIR, FIRE AND WATER-- these are the ingredients of pots and human
beings alike, and each formula contains also the element of Chance. Do not
seek perfection in pot or people, for your search will go unrewarded, and
you will miss knowing many good pots and many good people...."
Best wishes, Bonita in a foggy and delightfully cool San Francisco
HandsNClay@AOL.COM on wed 12 jul 00
There is a Christian musical group called
Jars of Clay...you might want to check out
their CDs for a possible musical interlude.... :)
Beth in VA..........dealing with porcelain these days...in my
mouth....wouldn't it be great if we could make our own teeth?? :)
Gayle Bair on wed 12 jul 00
Great poem.
It reminded me of Carl Sherman.
Carl was an immigrant from Russia. He spoke with
a heavy accent. He was a wonderful artist but a
better teacher.
I will never forget the moment he opened my eyes
to the world and art.
He told me I had to see what wasn't there. To see the
negative space. It was the most defining moment of my
art career. It was an epiphany.
I am forever grateful to Carl.
Gayle Bair
>snip
Here's one from the "Tao Te Ching", (as translated by Dagobert D. Runes)-
the eleventh poem:
"Thirty spokes run into one hub; yet in the emptiness of the wheel lies its
essence.
>From clay a jar is formed; yet in its emptiness lies the essence of the
container.
Rooms are made by cutting windows and doors into the walls, yet in its
emptiness lies the essence of the room.
The visual matter can be observed but it is the Invisible that constitutes
the true being."
L. P. Skeen on wed 12 jul 00
Here is one that was previously posted in 1997:
Keramos
Turn, turn, my wheel! The human race,
of every tongue, of every place,
Caucasian, Coptic, or Malay,
All that inhabit this great earth,
Whatever be their rank or worth,
Are kindred and allied by birth,
And made of the same clay.
Turn, turn the wheel! What is begun
at daybreak must at dark be done.
Tomorrow will be another day;
Tomorrow the hot furnace flame,
Will search the heart and try the frame,
And stamp with honor or with shame
these vessels made of clay.
-----------Longfellow
Priscilla Wilson and/or Janice Lymburner on wed 12 jul 00
Thank you Sheron, for taking the time to type this wonderful exerpt! I will
surely use it whether I can find a copy of the book or not. I'll also be
using the Tao Te Ching, the Kabir piece (which as it turns out is one of the
readings in our UU hymnbook!), Ross Murphy and M.C. Richards. I'm going to
try to track down the other resources that were shared also.
I, too, have sweet memories of "Have Thine Own Way, Lord," but I'm not
comfortable now with the theology of the lyrics and don't think some other
UU's would be ... Still, I appreciate being reminded of it.
Thanks, all - Priscilla
-----Original Message-----
From: Sheron Roberts
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:41 AM
Subject: Poems about Pottery
Thank you Ray
I wasn't sure about quoting from any
book, but you clarified that worry for
me. What you said makes perfect
sense. I cannot type all the beautiful
statements Robert Piepenburg makes
and selecting just a few is very hard,
so I strongly recommend to Priscilla, if you
have access to the book
read A Letter. . ., page 7-10 and Why
Clay page 423 & 424. Of course you
will want to read the entire book, but
these pages really focus on the human
spirit and clay. And on that note I quote,
from The Spirit of Clay, by Robert Piepenburg,
"Because your relationships with clay is
ultimately more human than technical, you
will more often than not find yourself on a path
of self-formation that will be every bit as rewarding
as your path of clay-formation. Such transformations
of human expansion are not unprecedented in the
arts. It's just that with ceramics and it's primal
connections to physical elements such as earth,
water, and fire, and thousands of years of history
... that it becomes more immediate. The spiritual
connections between ceramic arts and human
nature are intuitive and essentially inherent."
"With respect for imagination comes respect for
human capacities and a context central to
humanness: spirituality. It's the spiritual
dimension that makes it meaningful. Elusive
as it may be the spirit must be cultivated with
as much soulful caring and crafting as is given
raw ceramic materials. The rewards although
humble, can empower human life and give
greatest depth and texture to works of clay."
Sheron in NC
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Pancioli on thu 13 jul 00
Marge Piercy's poem "To Be of Use" is one of the very best "useful" pot
poems around. I will send it next week.
The Rubiyyat of Omar Kayam (spelling?) has some great quatrains about
God as a potter. (10th Century?) I will get it from the library and
send next week too.
Diana
Janet Kaiser on fri 14 jul 00
For a reading try Jeremiah xviii, 4
"And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the
hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel,
as seemed good to the potter to make it".
If you search the archives, there is a reference to
"The Piper in the Wind", by Anne Hepple. I wrote out
some of the ways she likened the characters in the
story to pots... Could be useful for a sermon!
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art . Capel Celfyddyd
HOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL POTTERS' PATH
Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales Tel: (01766) 523570
E-mail: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
WEBSITE: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla Wilson"
> Subject: Poems about pottery
>
> I'm looking for ideas for poetry, songs,
> readings in keeping with this theme!
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