Carole Fox on fri 14 jul 00
Dear Clayart Friends,
I am working on the form of a wide-rimmed bowl. I throw a tall bowl =
with high sides, leaving a little extra clay in the upper wall. I rib =
the walls really well and then use my rib to turn out the rim. I LOVE =
the feel of turning out that rim! At this stage, I sometimes get lucky =
and end up with a nice flat rim and a crisp but not sharp inner edge. =
But mostly not.
I love this form. I love to make it and feel it and look at it. I =
love to hold the little bowl in my hands and feel the broad rim extend =
over top. That big wide rim looks awfully inviting for all kinds of =
decoration.
So, I come once again to ask for help with my throwing technique. =
How do I turn that rim out nice and flat? (I do not want to add a slab =
of clay as demonstrated in the Robin Hopper video.)
Thanks in advance!
Carole - in Elkton, MD where the stray kittens in the back yard are =
almost ready to be adopted out - any takers?
Dwiggins, Sandra (NCI) on fri 14 jul 00
Dear Carole--
I throw those types of rims often. It's tricky. You get one and only one
chance to make that rim flat as you initially throw the pot, too much and it
flops, to little and it rises as it dries. Actually, I've found that if you
do the rim over time, you have a really good chance of having it come out
flat. What I do is take it out as far as I can, then I wait a while until
it sets up a bit, take it out a big further, repeat and repeat until the rim
is where you want it. You do have to watch it because the edge will tend to
bow up as it dries. Just put something light--like a thin masonite bat---on
it while it dries. You do have to be careful because the rim will dry
before everything else.
This is what I do.....
S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carole Fox [SMTP:cfox@DCA.NET]
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:50 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: wide-rimmed bowls
>
> Dear Clayart Friends,
> I am working on the form of a wide-rimmed bowl. I throw a tall bowl
> with high sides, leaving a little extra clay in the upper wall. I rib the
> walls really well and then use my rib to turn out the rim. I LOVE the feel
> of turning out that rim! At this stage, I sometimes get lucky and end up
> with a nice flat rim and a crisp but not sharp inner edge. But mostly not.
> I love this form. I love to make it and feel it and look at it. I love
> to hold the little bowl in my hands and feel the broad rim extend over
> top. That big wide rim looks awfully inviting for all kinds of decoration.
> So, I come once again to ask for help with my throwing technique. How
> do I turn that rim out nice and flat? (I do not want to add a slab of clay
> as demonstrated in the Robin Hopper video.)
> Thanks in advance!
> Carole - in Elkton, MD where the stray kittens in the back yard are
> almost ready to be adopted out - any takers?
>
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Cindy Strnad on fri 14 jul 00
Carole,
I make the flat rims by a combination of flattening them down and pulling
them out--pretty much simultaneously. If you merely flatten them out, they
will often pull themselves back up during the drying process. I do it with
my fingers, not a rib. (sorry) It *is* fun flattening them out with a rib,
though, isn't it? One important point--you mustn't allow the clay to get
very wet at the rim, and you mustn't let the part of the bowl which will
become the rim get too thin. Otherwise, you'll end up with an inverted
rather than a flat rim, and you know what a bummer that is. I'm not sure if
I've answered your question. If not, do clarify and ask again.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
earthenv@gwtc.net
John Weber on sat 15 jul 00
I have had a lot of luck in throwing a wide rim by a similar technique to
yours but I have to leave extra clay in the wall, later trimmed out, and once
I drop the rim I let it set up for several hours and then drop it again.
Dropping the rim a second time seems to hold its position rather than have it
follow its clay memory and pull back up. You might want to throw a chuck to
trim this type of piece on. John Weber
Hank Murrow on sat 15 jul 00
>I have had a lot of luck in throwing a wide rim by a similar technique to
>yours but I have to leave extra clay in the wall, later trimmed out, and once
>I drop the rim I let it set up for several hours and then drop it again.
>Dropping the rim a second time seems to hold its position rather than have it
>follow its clay memory and pull back up. You might want to throw a chuck to
>trim this type of piece on. John Weber
>
Dear John et al: I go to my foam rubber/upholstery outlet, where I use a
circle cutting jig to cut high-density foam circles which are contact
cemented to bats. They make great chucks for plates and bowls; and they've
been going strong for a dozen years so far. Regards, Hank in Eugene
Carrie or Peter Jacobson on mon 17 jul 00
I think we create wide-rimmed bowls because they are pretty, and because,
when you are serving something in them, the rim acts like a frame around the
food. Look at a whole tablesetting of, say, tomato soup in bowls with wide
blue rims with white slip trailed in a pattern. I'd set my table with them.
If you make them right, there is no reason they shouldn't stack.
Carrie Jacobson
wide-rimmed potter
Bolster's Mills, Maine
ln81@DIAL.PIPEX.COM on tue 18 jul 00
Going back fifty or more years to the days of rationing and grow-
your-own food, wide rimmed bowls were great for soup. My old
granny could turn anything into soup. Meat bones, dried beans,
leftover bits from sunday lunch, barley, bacon fat, roots, spuds,
herbs ......all ended up in the soup pot.
The rim of the bowl was great for parking the bones and other
inedible bits. Any spare space could be used for stacking thick
slices of bread. The whole lot could be placed in your lap and
eaten indoors or out.
Happy memories.
Ivor
Macclesfield UK
Carole Fox on fri 21 jul 00
Dear Clayart Friends,
I have enjoyed reading about all of the nifty uses for wide rims. =
When I initially asked about technique, I was in it purely for the =
elegance and fun. I smiled to think of Martin trying to fathom their =
purpose. But, Martin - perhaps this will appeal to your practical =
nature: You know, if you and I ordered the same dish complete with =
spice-laden rims, I probably would not have put as much of those spices =
into my food as you. This arrangement would allow us to adjust the =
seasonings to our taste!=20
I have tried to personally thank everyone who responded to me. I =
hope I didn't miss anyone!
But thanks again!
Carole - in Elkton, MD a partly sunny day, cool breeze and up to 80 =
degrees today- my idea of a perfect day! ( Lucky for me no-one knows =
what I look like and therefore no dolls can be made to my likeness!)=20
suzanne botello on sat 22 jul 00
Dear Carole, I have used my wooden trimming tool instead of a rib to turn
out the rim. you hold it in the bowl and just start to "lay it down",
steadily flattening the rim as you go. Lay it sideways, not flat. Works
beautifully, and yes, it is a beautiful form! I am trying to reply directly
to you, because I am not sure if someone has yet told you this trick, and
did not want to repeat for the whole list. Good luck, and I would love to
know how it works. It's the trimming tool, wooden, that is long, usually
rounded on one end and sort of triangular at the other end, usually used to
trim excess clay off the bottom outside of a pot on the wheel. Take care,
have fun! suzanne is flagstaff, az.
>From: Carole Fox
>Reply-To: cfox@DCA.NET
>To: Carole in Elkton, MD
>Subject: wide-rimmed bowls
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:50:20 -0400
>
>Dear Clayart Friends,
> I am working on the form of a wide-rimmed bowl. I throw a tall bowl
>with high sides, leaving a little extra clay in the upper wall. I rib the
>walls really well and then use my rib to turn out the rim. I LOVE the feel
>of turning out that rim! At this stage, I sometimes get lucky and end up
>with a nice flat rim and a crisp but not sharp inner edge. But mostly not.
> I love this form. I love to make it and feel it and look at it. I love
>to hold the little bowl in my hands and feel the broad rim extend over top.
>That big wide rim looks awfully inviting for all kinds of decoration.
> So, I come once again to ask for help with my throwing technique. How
>do I turn that rim out nice and flat? (I do not want to add a slab of clay
>as demonstrated in the Robin Hopper video.)
>Thanks in advance!
> Carole - in Elkton, MD where the stray kittens in the back yard are
>almost ready to be adopted out - any takers?
>
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tgschs10 on sun 23 jul 00
If you throw a bowl upside down [like throwing a double walled pot] you can
have quite a large rim without some of the warping problems.
Tom Sawyer
tgschs10@msn.com
G DAVIS on sun 23 jul 00
I really like your idea but I have a question. If you throw a bowl upside
down, what happens to the rim when you cut it off the bat? Doesn't it get
distorted?
>From: tgschs10
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>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: wide-rimmed bowls
>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:17:49 -0700
>
>If you throw a bowl upside down [like throwing a double walled pot] you can
>have quite a large rim without some of the warping problems.
>Tom Sawyer
>tgschs10@msn.com
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Dannon Rhudy on sun 23 jul 00
Well, you could throw it on a canvas bat, and then you
would not have to cut it loose. Just finish the foot,
soon as it is sturdy enough to turn over, turn it over
onto a bat, peel the canvas off.
But my experience of absolutely flat rims at high temperatures
is that they flex when firing, and the wider they are, the
more they flex (for which read "warp")
regards
Dannon Rhudy
At 09:45 AM 7/23/00 CDT, you wrote:
>I really like your idea but I have a question. If you throw a bowl upside
>down, what happens to the rim when you cut it off the bat? Doesn't it get
>distorted?
>
>
>>From: tgschs10
>>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>>Subject: Re: wide-rimmed bowls
>>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:17:49 -0700
>>
>>If you throw a bowl upside down [like throwing a double walled pot] you can
>>have quite a large rim without some of the warping problems.
>>Tom Sawyer
>>tgschs10@msn.com
>>
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