Liz Gowen on fri 21 jul 00
These sound like china paints. They are used over fired glaze ware.
They are mixed on a tile or piece of glass with oils, water soluble
medium or even water, to a paste consistency. The old ones
generally contain lead as the flux and are still used today. One
way to use is to paints thin layers of a design on the shiny glazed
piece, then fire to ^ 015 to 018 depending on the color. successive
layers and washes can be built up with firings in-between to produce
nice effects ( like glazing in oil painting) Use your interlibrary
loan to find some books on it. I don't know where you are from but
while I was in Colo. I took some classes
there ( found then in the yellow pages) very inexpensively and found
some when I got home. If you email me off list I have some china
painting magazines that I can look up the groups in your area if
interested . I found the classes very useful because it is quite
different than how we use the glazes in pottery.
Another note some of the bright oranges reds and yellows are
made from cadmium, which is also toxic. These colors cant be mixed
or put over the others or they turn muddy Grey.
Liz Gowen elgowen@jersey.net
NJ USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Lyon
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 10:14 AM
Subject: "Vitrifiable colors for china"
Here's a question. Recently a friend gave me a basketful of little
vials of powdered colors. Besides the statement above, the label
says: FRY'S New York. I checked with Rhodes' book on clay and
glazes but he is very brief and I don't know if these are the types
of colors he was considering. Does anyone know about these? I 'd
like to know how to mix them and use them. Rhodes mentions linseed
oil as a medium. Would I have to make a mixture of the powders with
some fluxing agents, as I do now with the oxides I use for on-glaze
paintings? I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have done
china painting or who might know more about them. I know I will
have to test for the right temperature.
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amy parker on fri 21 jul 00
Marion - recently a friend gave me THREE baskets of those little vials, plus
three "wet palettes" of pre-mixed ready-to-apply colors! My Grandma used to
do China Painting, so I am eager to try it. I have about 50 issues of china
painting magazines that seem to have all kinds of "granny patterns" and
complete directions for reproducing them. As far as I can tell, you are
supposed to apply these to finished glazed ware and refire to cone 022 or
cone 018 at most.
There are bottles of stuff labeled "china medium" and "brush cleaner". I
have not had a chance to look at this much, and am going on vacation next
week, but I would love to share learning experiences with you in a few weeks!
Any one else who had knowledge of china paints, please contact me off list
so I can stay in touch.
Amy, wondering why I have yet another area of ceramics to explore when I
haven't scratched the surface of cone 6 yet!
amy parker Lithonia, GA
amyp@sd-software.com
Marion Lyon on fri 21 jul 00
>
Hi Liz: Thanks so much for the information about these colors. Yes, I
would like to know if there are any classes in this area. I am in central
Massachusetts near Worcester and several other smaller cities. I have a
bunch of commercial tiles 4x4" that I have been meaning to decorate to use
on the soffitt in my kitchen. This has been "in process" for several years
now, so I thought these colors might be good for the project. In really
would be just as happy doing them with acrylic....but that would be too
easy.
Marion Lyon
Chris Schafale on sun 23 jul 00
I just attended a workshop in which we had some demos on china
painting. Garth Johnson was the artist -- he does some wild and
untraditional stuff using china painting, and also had a useful "quick
and dirty" guide to china painting techniques and materials. You
can email him at:
potteryliberation@yahoo.com
Good luck.
Chris
> Here's a question. Recently a friend gave me a basketful of little vials of powdered colors. Besides the statement above, the label says: FRY'S New York. I checked with Rhodes' book on clay and glazes but he is very brief and I don't know if these are the types of colors he was considering.
Does anyone know about these? I 'd like to know how to mix them and use them. Rhodes mentions linseed oil as a medium. Would I have to make a mixture of the powders with some fluxing agents, as I do now with the oxides I use for on-glaze paintings? I'd appreciate some input from those of you
who have done china painting or who might know more about them. I know I will have to test for the right temperature.
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