Cleo on thu 14 sep 00
I have the book on Picasso's ceramic work. If they were mine I'd of broken
most of them and started over. I know he was innovative and turned the art
world upside down, there's pun in there somewhere. However, like so many
people that have achieved greatness even their terrible work puts people in
awe, because after all it's a Picasso, it must be great. It's sort of like
a Firestone tire, they must be good, after all they're Firestone. Bad
comparison, but the points still the same.
Cleo
Larry Phillips on thu 14 sep 00
"L. P. Skeen" wrote:
>
> Never fear, mel. I just got in the reports I assigned my 8th graders last
> week on Louise NEvelson. One of the things they were required to have in
> their paper was, "If you could meet Louise NEvelson today and ask her
> whatever you wanted, what would it be?". The first paper I read says, "If I
> could meet Louise Nevelson today, I would ask her who in their right mind
> would buy such peices of crap!" (SIC) Gawd but they think they know
> everything..........
Well, that student obviously knows what she likes. What makes you think
that the opinion expressed is any less valid than the opinion of someone
who likes the crap?
mel jacobson on thu 14 sep 00
that expression would surface almost every year when
teaching in a high school.
my answer would always be the same..`amazing how a 16 year
old can sum up the 50 years work of one the world's most inventive
master artists`. the joys of being an all knowing child.
mel
FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
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Lee Love on thu 14 sep 00
If Picasso sucked, he'd probably be a super high end delux model, with all
the attachments and a lifetime warrenty. ;^)
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Diane Mead on thu 14 sep 00
Hi, Mel:
Please note how clean I made this reply (example from the teacher's
pet-wanna be!) I have been leaving way too much of the instigating post and
I do apologize!
Picasso might take me 50 more years to complete get. I think some is awful
still. And some of his work never fails to reduce me to tears. (Again seeing
in person is the key!!!)
Your point on the perspective is well taken! The thing I like best about
getting old. (When they sang happy birthday to me last night I didn't even
think about a number!!!)
diane, looking at my Picasso lino cut of the radiant kitchen lamp and
oranges and lemons...wow
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Rémusat on thu 14 sep 00
Merci pour l'interet que vous portez =E0 mon site:
http://www=2Efaience=2Eorg
mel jacobson a =E9crit:
> that expression would surface almost every year when
> teaching in a high school=2E
>
> my answer would always be the same=2E=2E`amazing how a 16 year
> old can sum up the 50 years work of one the world's most inventive
> master artists`=2E the joys of being an all knowing child=2E
> mel
>
> FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
> http://www=2Epclink=2Ecom/melpots (website)
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L. P. Skeen on thu 14 sep 00
Never fear, mel. I just got in the reports I assigned my 8th graders last
week on Louise NEvelson. One of the things they were required to have in
their paper was, "If you could meet Louise NEvelson today and ask her
whatever you wanted, what would it be?". The first paper I read says, "If I
could meet Louise Nevelson today, I would ask her who in their right mind
would buy such peices of crap!" (SIC) Gawd but they think they know
everything..........
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Subject: `picasso sucks`
> that expression would surface almost every year when
> teaching in a high school.
>
> my answer would always be the same..`amazing how a 16 year
> old can sum up the 50 years work of one the world's most inventive
> master artists`. the joys of being an all knowing child.
> mel
>
>
>
>
>
> FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
>
>
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Cindy Strnad on fri 15 sep 00
Hi, Cleo.
Well, I'll stick my neck out, too, since you did. Picasso may indeed be a
man to stand in awe of. I don't know, because I have to admit that I don't
understand or appreciate his work at all. I'm willing to be taught, but on
my own volition, I'm afraid I'm not capable of fully valuing Picasso's work
as others do.
This is a big world, though, and lots and lots of people just love Picasso.
So his work has value in that it has been an inspiration and a joy to so
many. The mere fact that it is no joy to me doesn't mean it's worthless. Nor
does the fact that I don't care for it mean I'm a nincompoop.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
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Lee Love on fri 15 sep 00
----- Original Message -----
From: Cleo
> a Firestone tire, they must be good, after all they're Firestone. Bad
> comparison, but the points still the same.
Cleo, I disagree. While I am not interested in his painting, I find
the ceramics and sculpture interesting. I like it exactly because of what
you might call imperfections. He didn't take it as serious, so some
playfulness comes through. I agree, not all pieces are masterpieces, but
they are good in allowing us to see how a great artist approaches a new
medium. He doesn't do what a proper potter would do, but you can see his
exploration. This window into his creative process is more important to
me than the final product.
I like his non-ceramic sculpture for the same reason. And because
I have never been a big fan of his painting, my liking this work has nothing
to do with his fame or name.
I also like the stuff Alexander Calder made for his own pleasure
much better than his mobiles and stabiles. There is playfulness in it
without any attempt to impress or live up to a famous name. He got me
interested in playing with wire and tin. Noguchi too, some of my favorite
work of his is his ceramic work, not the stuff he is famous for.
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Lee Love on sat 16 sep 00
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Love
> I also like the stuff Alexander Calder made for his own pleasure
> much better than his mobiles and stabiles. There is playfulness in it
> without any attempt to impress or live up to a famous name. He got me
> interested in playing with wire and tin. Noguchi too, some of my
favorite
> work of his is his ceramic work, not the stuff he is famous for.
I thought about this while we were packing pots into wooden boxes that
Sensei wrote calligraphy on this morining...
Many people complain about functional potters copying traditional
pottery. Sometimes the criticism is valid, especially when the forms are
not transformed into the potter's own. But I think the far more common
mistake amongst modern potters, and artists for that matter, is copying
themselves after they have done their work for some time or after they have
had some success. Often, people's work become charactures of what they
have done before.
That is why I like Picasso's and Noguchi's clay work, and
Calder's Circus and the little things he made for his home. This is where
these artists played, and it helped them keep growing, even in their old
age, and helped keep their work from copying itself.
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Hank Murrow on sat 16 sep 00
Lee Love wrote;
>I think the far more common
>mistake amongst modern potters, and artists for that matter, is copying
>themselves after they have done their work for some time or after they have
>had some success. Often, people's work become charactures of what they
>have done before.
Dear Lee
One of the most memorable experiences was my three visits to the Picasso
Mus=E9e in Paris. That said, here is a story about the man which confirms
your postulate:
A dealer came to Picasso's studio saying he needed to have a print
authenticated, looking around the studio while P. signed the piece.
Some months later, the same dealer returned to have a painting authenticated=
=2E
Picasso said, "That's a fake".
The dealer said, "But Master, I saw you painting this one when I visited
last time!"
Picasso replied. "I often paint fakes."
Picasso told this story often; laughing at himself as well as the commodity
economy which was and is so far from the spirit which creates genuine art.
Cheers, Hank in Eugene
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