Elke Blodgett on mon 18 sep 00
Forwarded on behalf of Monona
---------------------------please forward-----------------------
Edouard Bastarache wrote:
> Elke,
>
> even at 58 my nurses say I have an excellent memory, and even better than
> theirs, even if they are quite younger......(Hehehehe).
> Jokingly, they say thay I am very far from suffering from Alzheimer's
> disease.
>
> I remember seeing this on Radio-Canada (french network) at suppertime
> during last year. And I remember it more intensely because in the weeks
> before the announcement, Monona had come very strongly against MMT on this
> list seeming convinced it would be banned by governements, at least that is
> what I gathered from her post. <
Then you gathered wrong. I was extremely concerned that MMT would NOT be
banned by the governments because Ethyl Corporation had taken first the US
EPA and then the Canadian Government to court. Ethyl won both suits under
NAFTA trade restriction claims. Your Government also had to pay a hefty
amount to compensate Ethyl for the business losses related to the attempt to
ban MMT. And both our governments were forced to withdraw their bans despite
their convictions that MMT should be banned.
Here in the US, EPA has taken another tack to try to stop the use of MMT. In
the July 19, 2000 Federal Register, EPA announced that they have notified
Ethyl Corp and any other registrants of fuels and additives containing MMT
that they are required to do Tier 2 testing. The Tier 2 testing requirements
are within two general categories 1) pharmacokinetic testing of manganese
compounds and 2) characterization of manganese emissions from vehicles
utilizing fuels containing MMT.
In other words, Ethyl went to court saying EPA did not have enough data to
prove that MMT was dangerous and therefor EPA could not restricting their
selling of the product. Now EPA has retaliated by requiring Ethyl to develop
the data themselves and to prove it is safe. We shall see.
> To support what I believed I heard and saw on TV, read the last 2 abstracts
> I send to this list recently, concerning studies conducted in Toronto and
> Montreal. My memory works even better "by association.
It doesn't appear that way to me. And if you like, I'll dig out the two
short articles I wrote in our newsletter on both court settlements and send
them to you to try to help improve your clearly failing and convenient
memory.
Monona Rossol
ACTS
181 Thompson St., # 23
NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
ACTSNYC@cs.com
Answering:
> Edouard Bastarache
> Dans / In "La Belle Province"
> edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
> http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
Edouard Bastarache on mon 18 sep 00
Hello Monona,
1-From some of your e-maiIs posted during 1998 I
deducted you were strongly against the use of MMT in gasoline,
Am I wrong?
I am not for or against it; I am awaiting more evidence before making
my mind up. I think the same goes for our canadian politicians.
2-I also deducted you were against the use of inorganic manganese
by potters, or at least to be super cautious.
Am I wrong again?
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
Dans / In "La Belle Province"
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Elke Blodgett
=C0 : Edouard Bastarache
Cc : Clayart
Date : 18 septembre, 2000 22:26
Objet : Monona Rossol response re Manganese Dioxide
>
>Forwarded on behalf of Monona
>---------------------------please forward-----------------------
>Edouard Bastarache wrote:
>
>> Elke,
>>
>> even at 58 my nurses say I have an excellent memory, and even better
than
>> theirs, even if they are quite younger......(Hehehehe).
>> Jokingly, they say thay I am very far from suffering from Alzheimer's
>> disease.
>>
>> I remember seeing this on Radio-Canada (french network) at suppertime
>> during last year. And I remember it more intensely because in the wee=
ks
>> before the announcement, Monona had come very strongly against MMT on
this
>> list seeming convinced it would be banned by governements, at least t=
hat
is
>> what I gathered from her post. <
>
>Then you gathered wrong. I was extremely concerned that MMT would NOT b=
e
>banned by the governments because Ethyl Corporation had taken first the =
US
>EPA and then the Canadian Government to court. Ethyl won both suits und=
er
>NAFTA trade restriction claims. Your Government also had to pay a hefty
>amount to compensate Ethyl for the business losses related to the attemp=
t
to
>ban MMT. And both our governments were forced to withdraw their bans
despite
>their convictions that MMT should be banned.
>
>Here in the US, EPA has taken another tack to try to stop the use of MMT.
In
>the July 19, 2000 Federal Register, EPA announced that they have notifie=
d
>Ethyl Corp and any other registrants of fuels and additives containing M=
MT
>that they are required to do Tier 2 testing. The Tier 2 testing
requirements
>are within two general categories 1) pharmacokinetic testing of manganes=
e
>compounds and 2) characterization of manganese emissions from vehicles
>utilizing fuels containing MMT.
>
>In other words, Ethyl went to court saying EPA did not have enough data =
to
>prove that MMT was dangerous and therefor EPA could not restricting thei=
r
>selling of the product. Now EPA has retaliated by requiring Ethyl to
develop
>the data themselves and to prove it is safe. We shall see.
>
>> To support what I believed I heard and saw on TV, read the last 2
abstracts
>> I send to this list recently, concerning studies conducted in Toronto
and
>> Montreal. My memory works even better "by association.
>
>It doesn't appear that way to me. And if you like, I'll dig out the tw=
o
>short articles I wrote in our newsletter on both court settlements and s=
end
>them to you to try to help improve your clearly failing and convenient
>memory.
>
>Monona Rossol
>ACTS
>181 Thompson St., # 23
>NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
>
>ACTSNYC@cs.com
>Answering:
>> Edouard Bastarache
>> Dans / In "La Belle Province"
>> edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
>> http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
>
Edouard Bastarache on tue 19 sep 00
Hello all,
as for the court decision, I presume both parties supplied their best
evidence
and probably asked their most knowledgable experts to testify verbally, o=
r
by
writing.
I do not think we should question the court's honesty because they ruled
against
EPA and our Federal Govt. It is not a matter of "we are the good guys and
the
others are the bad guys". Spain survived thru the "Inquisition", us in
Canada
do not need to live thru that.
So, MMT was not banned because of insufficient evidence. So what!!!
We will see what will happen later.
As for the fine, I paid a little bit of it thru my income tax,
and it is ok with me, the court ruled and we must abide by.
Later,
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
Dans / In "La Belle Province"
edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Elke Blodgett
=C0 : CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date : 19 septembre, 2000 09:07
Objet : Monona Rossol response re Manganese Dioxide
>Forwarded on behalf of Monona
>---------------------------please forward-----------------------
>Edouard Bastarache wrote:
>
>> Elke,
>>
>> even at 58 my nurses say I have an excellent memory, and even better
than
>> theirs, even if they are quite younger......(Hehehehe).
>> Jokingly, they say thay I am very far from suffering from Alzheimer's
>> disease.
>>
>> I remember seeing this on Radio-Canada (french network) at suppertime
>> during last year. And I remember it more intensely because in the wee=
ks
>> before the announcement, Monona had come very strongly against MMT on
this
>> list seeming convinced it would be banned by governements, at least t=
hat
is
>> what I gathered from her post. <
>
>Then you gathered wrong. I was extremely concerned that MMT would NOT b=
e
>banned by the governments because Ethyl Corporation had taken first the =
US
>EPA and then the Canadian Government to court. Ethyl won both suits und=
er
>NAFTA trade restriction claims. Your Government also had to pay a hefty
>amount to compensate Ethyl for the business losses related to the attemp=
t
to
>ban MMT. And both our governments were forced to withdraw their bans
despite
>their convictions that MMT should be banned.
>
>Here in the US, EPA has taken another tack to try to stop the use of MMT.
In
>the July 19, 2000 Federal Register, EPA announced that they have notifie=
d
>Ethyl Corp and any other registrants of fuels and additives containing M=
MT
>that they are required to do Tier 2 testing. The Tier 2 testing
requirements
>are within two general categories 1) pharmacokinetic testing of manganes=
e
>compounds and 2) characterization of manganese emissions from vehicles
>utilizing fuels containing MMT.
>
>In other words, Ethyl went to court saying EPA did not have enough data =
to
>prove that MMT was dangerous and therefor EPA could not restricting thei=
r
>selling of the product. Now EPA has retaliated by requiring Ethyl to
develop
>the data themselves and to prove it is safe. We shall see.
>
>> To support what I believed I heard and saw on TV, read the last 2
abstracts
>> I send to this list recently, concerning studies conducted in Toronto
and
>> Montreal. My memory works even better "by association.
>
>It doesn't appear that way to me. And if you like, I'll dig out the tw=
o
>short articles I wrote in our newsletter on both court settlements and s=
end
>them to you to try to help improve your clearly failing and convenient
>memory.
>
>Monona Rossol
>ACTS
>181 Thompson St., # 23
>NYC NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062
>
>ACTSNYC@cs.com
>Answering:
>> Edouard Bastarache
>> Dans / In "La Belle Province"
>> edouardb@sorel-tracy.qc.ca
>> http://www.sorel-tracy.qc.ca/~edouardb/
>
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