Joyce Lee on fri 29 sep 00
> I know some cases are real, but I think many are not. Disruptive children
> should not be taken to the doctor for a pill, they should be taught to
> control themselves. I was not saying that it is not legit. There are many
> diseases that were once thought to be phantom. Sometimes however when it is
> discovered that an ailment is very real, people jump on the band wagon so
> they can blame something other then themselves.
>
This statement smacks of vast ignorance... too vast to address!!
However, do keep in mind when you wax so ignominiously that many potters
and other talented folk suffer, and have suffered throughout their
lives, with attention deficit symptoms.... many right here on our list.
I'm not sure why they're containing themselves and not responding to
your unthinking and contemptible statements, but I honor that and shall
not respond further myself.
Joyce
In the Mojave
Earl Brunner on fri 29 sep 00
Joyce, I didn't take this message that way, It is an
irrefutable fact that the number of kids in the US being
medicated to control their behavior in school is way out of
line per capita from the rest of the world. I think the drug
companies ($$$$$) and society have caused this shift. Sure
there are legitimate ADHD kids. Ultimately some benefit
from medication. As a parent I would try everything this
side of hell before I would medicate my child for behavior.
You told a story today about a boy that you worked with one
summer, you suggested that society/school as we understand
and apply it, let this kid down. I agree. We need
different kinds of schools, schools that allow the kids to
apply the things that they are supposed to learn. Schools
that are relevant to today. Schools that allow a child to
work standing up and moving around if necessary, outside if
necessary, on a working farm if necessary. Something where
they can apply and see results.
I don't think children belong in sweat shops, but I think
they need to learn how to work and we have gotten away from
that in our society. We won't let them work anymore.
Joyce Lee wrote:
>
> > I know some cases are real, but I think many are not. Disruptive children
> > should not be taken to the doctor for a pill, they should be taught to
> > control themselves. I was not saying that it is not legit. There are many
> > diseases that were once thought to be phantom. Sometimes however when it is
> > discovered that an ailment is very real, people jump on the band wagon so
> > they can blame something other then themselves.
> >
>
> This statement smacks of vast ignorance... too vast to address!!
> However, do keep in mind when you wax so ignominiously that many potters
> and other talented folk suffer, and have suffered throughout their
> lives, with attention deficit symptoms.... many right here on our list.
> I'm not sure why they're containing themselves and not responding to
> your unthinking and contemptible statements, but I honor that and shall
> not respond further myself.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave
>
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Kathy McDonald on mon 2 oct 00
I've tried hard to *stay out* of this one,,,even sat on my hands one early
morning!!!!
and yeah,,,I'm likely ADDish......I drink coffee to put me to sleep!!!
I'm not sure whose snippet this is that Joyce is responding to, and I don't
remember the context of the original post.... but there is some truth to
it.
The *some cases are real, but I think many are not*comment rings a bell for
me.
I am a potter, but I also work as a school clinician and have worked with
kids
and schools for 25 years.
Yep I'm getting long in the tooth!
Many kids are referred to our service,,,which includes psychological
assessment/speech therapy/
and social work services. Many come from the schools with a tentative
diagnosis of ADD.
Often, after a thorough assessment is done, it is discivered that the child
does have attentional
difficulties, but that they are due to problems other than ADD.
Many emotional and behavioral problems and severe social and or physical
stressors can cause
the same symptoms. An example is sexual abuse. Some kids who are victims of
sexual abuse
or physical abuse manifest the same symptoms as one sees with an attention
deficit disorder.
I guess my point is this,,,,YES ADD is a real physical disorder,,,and yes
medications can
help those kids/adults who are truly ADD, but a careful assessment of the
symptoms...and of the whole person
is crucial. There are some wonderful assessment tools that allow parents,
teachers, and school
resource teams to diagnose and provide treatment for those kids,,,and
medication is only *one* alternative.
Bottom line,,,,it is very easy to give a kid a pill rather than examine the
root causes
for their behavior.
OK down off the soap box,,,,I do work lots with ADD kids and use clay
extensively in both small
and large groups....will be happy to share my ideas, techniques and
philosophy with anyone
who wishes to share.
Kathy Mc (who is currently feeling a deep sense of the loss of a great
political leader and celebrating
the accomplishments of that era...Pierre Elliot Trudeau was a
man of great stature.)
http://www.willowtreepottery.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Joyce Lee
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:42 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Teaching people with ADD
> I know some cases are real, but I think many are not. Disruptive children
> should not be taken to the doctor for a pill, they should be taught to
> control themselves. I was not saying that it is not legit. There are
many
> diseases that were once thought to be phantom. Sometimes however when it
is
> discovered that an ailment is very real, people jump on the band wagon so
> they can blame something other then themselves.
>
This statement smacks of vast ignorance... too vast to address!!
However, do keep in mind when you wax so ignominiously that many potters
and other talented folk suffer, and have suffered throughout their
lives, with attention deficit symptoms.... many right here on our list.
I'm not sure why they're containing themselves and not responding to
your unthinking and contemptible statements, but I honor that and shall
not respond further myself.
Joyce
In the Mojave
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MLL7777@AOL.COM on mon 2 oct 00
Kathy...
I teach art in an elementary school. The special ed kids find clay a real
treat that they can have much success with. I try to schedule with these
kids seperately in addition to their regular whole class art time. I would
enjoy sharing ideas with you...
Mary Lou
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