James E. Simmons on tue 3 oct 00
Mudpuppy here,
I searched and found the Falls Creek Shino, also got a look at the =
results. It is pretty, but contains Gerstley Borate.
Any Ideas how to get around that obstacle? The recipe is as follows:
Falls Creej Shino
Cone 5-7 =20
Color: rust
56.07 Alberta Slip
18.69 Gerstley Borate
9.35 Kona F-4 Feldspar
9.35 Silica
6.54 Lithium carbonate
100.00 % totals:
Also Add:
9.35 Superpax
4.67 Tin oxide Anxiously awaiting a reply, Angela
Ron Roy on sat 7 oct 00
This is a tough problem, not because of the GB but because that much
lithium Carb can be big trouble - anything over 2% can cause dramatice fit
problems - like shivering and crazing on the same piece - I don't recommend
this kind of glaze on anything that could be used for food - think about it
- flakeing pieces of razor sharp glaze in food - in people!
Yes I duplicated it in theory - using frit 3134 - no problem - lots of ball
clay to help the slip clay suspend the slop but I don't want my name on
such a glaze - get soneone else to do it - I just won't.
RR
>I searched and found the Falls Creek Shino, also got a look at the
>results. It is pretty, but contains Gerstley Borate.
>Any Ideas how to get around that obstacle? The recipe is as follows:
>Falls Creej Shino
>Cone 5-7
>Color: rust
>56.07 Alberta Slip
>18.69 Gerstley Borate
>9.35 Kona F-4 Feldspar
>9.35 Silica
>6.54 Lithium carbonate
>100.00 % totals:
>Also Add:
>9.35 Superpax
>4.67 Tin oxide
Ron Roy
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Ontario, Canada
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Diane Woloshyn on sun 8 oct 00
Ron and All Who Inquired:
This was one of the glazes that I had tested by Alfred last year and it did
not leach any lithium or was below minimums. Had used this one a lot and it
has stood up well. No shivering, flaking or crazing. Because I have a bit
of GB still on hand, I have not tested it with any of the new borates, but am
about to start. If I have good success with any one of them, I will have it
retested and let you know.
Diane Florida Bird Lady
Jennifer Firestone on thu 29 mar 01
Hi all,
After testing Falls Creek Shino ( it was lovely white breaking rust over =
texture) & reviewing the archives for any likely pitfalls I made a large =
batch, & glazed an entire load of ware with it. I fired slowly, cooled =
slowly, ^6....... And it came out glossy dark brown.....all of it.
On reflection, I believe I used a different albany slip substitute for =
the original test. However one of the archive sites lists a great deal =
of latitude in the recipe....like you can use redart or blackbird =
instead of albany slip sub, so I'm wondering if that really is the =
problem.....Also, any advice for correcting the large batch of glaze I =
made? I'm thinking of spraying or stamping designs with a rutile wash on =
the already fired ware to add some interest to the unrelieved dk brown. =
Does that sound reasonable? Any advice/comments will be much =
appreciated!!
Jennifer
roses bloomin in the rain here south o' Houston, TX
cd on fri 30 mar 01
Jennifer,
If you did use Blackbird as a direct substitute for the Alberta Slip in =
the recipe, that may be the problem. Blackbird has nearly 15% iron, =
while the Alberta formula contains closer to 5%.
Craig
Ababi on fri 30 mar 01
Hello Jennifer. I use as a substitute for Albany slip, which I never seen or
been where they dig it, from the good list of Don Goodrich:
http://members.aol.com/goodrichdn/
ALBANY SLIP SUBSTITUTE (^6 OX)
Dolomite 0.94%
Soda Ash 0.38
Whiting 4.25
Cedar Heights Redart Clay 94.43
==============================
ALBANY SUBSTITUTE #1 (^6 OX)
Alberta 58
Neph Sy 17
Gerstly Bor 8
Redart Clay 9
Black Cop Ox 8
from TOM BUCK
================================
ALBANY SUBSTITUTE #2 (^6 OX)
Alberta 52.5
Neph Sy 23.0
Gerstly Bor 8.5
Barnard Clay 5.5
EPK 2.5
Black Cop Ox 8.0
(from TOM BUCK)
================================
ALBANY SUBSTITUTE #3
Redart 72
Whiting 10
Soda Feldspar 8
Talc 5
EPK kaolin 5
from David Hendley
I use ALBANY SUBSTITUTE #3 instead of redart I use, pay attention Alisa!
A German red clay which is actually low fire slipcasting powder it
commercial name is G.R.T. I succeed to make many American glazes calling for
redart, with this material.
That glaze turned to me the way you described the test result, it is nice
glaze, but I do not need it now. Try more tests thin thick different
claybodys ETC.
Here We come to another thread I see the recipe I have made, with "local"
(My locals are from the whole globe). With a glaze software you can live
anywhere and dig the soil of the Albany with a great success!
Ababi Sharon
Who digs knowledge from ClayArt list
ababisha@shoval.ardom.co.il
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
----- Original Message -----
From: "cd"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Falls Creek Shino
Jennifer,
If you did use Blackbird as a direct substitute for the Alberta Slip in the
recipe, that may be the problem. Blackbird has nearly 15% iron, while the
Alberta formula contains closer to 5%.
Craig
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Joyce Lee on wed 4 apr 01
Several of you have tested the above glaze in oxidation and haven't been
satisfied with the results. My only contribution to this thread is the
statement that I received two pots at NCECA that were fired in oxidation
using this shino. One is a teabowl from Jim Bowen, and the other is a
mug from Jonathan from D.C. (whom I was delighted to finally meet!).
Both are stunning! Not just my opinion... all who saw them expressed the
same reaction. I have digital pictures I can send you if you're
interested in seeing these results.
Jonathan's also had an impressed decoration that came from a lamp
brought to this country by an ancestor a couple of generations back ...
perfect on his mug! The shino broke beautifully over the impression.
Joyce
In the Mojave listening to the quail warning and giving directions to
the babies ... glad they're back ..... haven't seen them in awhile.
Ababi on wed 4 apr 01
To remind you Shino I saw only in books/internet.
This glaze, Fall Creek Shino, I think a very interesting glaze, but what is
"so shino about, is not the Shino a bit crawling?
Wondering Ababi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Lee"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Falls Creek Shino
> Several of you have tested the above glaze in oxidation and haven't been
> satisfied with the results. My only contribution to this thread is the
> statement that I received two pots at NCECA that were fired in oxidation
> using this shino. One is a teabowl from Jim Bowen, and the other is a
> mug from Jonathan from D.C. (whom I was delighted to finally meet!).
> Both are stunning! Not just my opinion... all who saw them expressed the
> same reaction. I have digital pictures I can send you if you're
> interested in seeing these results.
>
> Jonathan's also had an impressed decoration that came from a lamp
> brought to this country by an ancestor a couple of generations back ...
> perfect on his mug! The shino broke beautifully over the impression.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave listening to the quail warning and giving directions to
> the babies ... glad they're back ..... haven't seen them in awhile.
>
>
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Cl Litman on wed 4 apr 01
I've found that the Falls Creek Shino looks best on darker clay bodies.
Saw that when Patti Fox had samples of it on 3 clays at one of RR's
workshops.
Cheryl Litman - NJ
LitmanC@aol.com
cheryllitman@juno.com
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:04:52 -0800 Joyce Lee writes:
> Several of you have tested the above glaze in oxidation and haven't
> been
> satisfied with the results. My only contribution to this thread is
> the
> statement that I received two pots at NCECA that were fired in
> oxidation
> using this shino. One is a teabowl from Jim Bowen, and the other is
> a
> mug from Jonathan from D.C. (whom I was delighted to finally
> meet!).
> Both are stunning! Not just my opinion... all who saw them expressed
> the
> same reaction. I have digital pictures I can send you if you're
> interested in seeing these results.
>
> Jonathan's also had an impressed decoration that came from a lamp
> brought to this country by an ancestor a couple of generations back
> ...
> perfect on his mug! The shino broke beautifully over the
> impression.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave listening to the quail warning and giving directions
> to
> the babies ... glad they're back ..... haven't seen them in awhile.
>
>
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Ababi on sat 24 jan 04
Hello John
Here are two recipes:
After I write them the way they are I shall offer you with "your"
materials. Try both ways it might be the same.
The main point about this glaze is red clay- that gives the Fe2O3+ The
combination of tin and ultrox/zircopax.
I removed the lithium and added frit.
The numbers of the first glaze are nice therefore I did not round them.
FALLS CREEK SHINO ABABI.#6
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1201 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Ferro 3134 40.00
red clay (Creaton) 30.00
Dolomite 5.00
ULTROX 10.00
Tin Oxide 5.00
Red Iron Oxide 1.00
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.287 6.55%
CaO 0.607 11.43%
MgO 0.106 1.44%
Al2O3 0.189 6.47%
B2O3 0.463 10.81%
SiO2 2.275 45.91%
ZrO2 0.190 7.86%
TiO2 0.012 0.32%
K2O 0.053 1.67%
Na2O 0.234 4.88%
SnO2 0.1155 5.84%
Al:Si 12.04
Expan. 7.33
ST 322.75
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Clay Body better buff& mottled
See it in my site.
ABABI'S FALLS CREEK SHINO 11
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Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
red clay (GRT) 45.40
ultrox 8.60
Ferro 3134 28.30
Calcium Carbonate 2.60
zinc oxide 8.60
Quartz 6.60
Tin Oxide 4.31
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.224 5.23%
CaO 0.404 7.30%
MgO 0.040 0.51%
ZnO 0.332 8.69%
Al2O3 0.265 8.69%
B2O3 0.295 6.62%
SiO2 2.583 49.97%
ZrO2 0.147 5.84%
TiO2 0.017 0.45%
K2O 0.073 2.20%
Na2O 0.152 3.03%
SnO2 0.0898 4.36%
Al:Si 9.74
Expan. 6.88
ST 347.90
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
FALLS CREEK SHINO ABABI.#6 USA
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1201 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Ferro 3134 47.20
RedArt Clay 34.30
Dolomite 5.70
ULTROX 11.40
Alumina Hydrate 1.40
Tin Oxide 5.70
Red Iron Oxide 1.00
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.282 6.27%
CaO 0.603 11.24%
MgO 0.115 1.54%
Al2O3 0.193 6.55%
B2O3 0.463 10.71%
SiO2 2.348 46.87%
ZrO2 0.184 7.52%
TiO2 0.013 0.36%
K2O 0.044 1.37%
Na2O 0.238 4.90%
SnO2 0.1117 5.59%
Al:Si 12.14
Expan. 7.26
ST 323.75
ABABI'S FALLS CREEK SHINO 11 USA
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cone 6 1222 deg.C. -
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
RedArt Clay 32.90
ultrox 8.80
Ferro 3134 28.80
Calcium Carbonate 2.70
zinc oxide 8.80
Quartz 6.70
Custer feldspar 5.60
Flint 2.60
Alumina Hydrate 3.10
Tin Oxide 4.30
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Seger Weight%
KNO 0.224 5.50%
CaO 0.404 7.83%
MgO 0.039 0.54%
ZnO 0.333 9.35%
Al2O3 0.262 9.21%
B2O3 0.295 7.08%
SiO2 2.593 53.83%
ZrO2 0.148 6.29%
TiO2 0.013 0.37%
K2O 0.062 2.03%
Na2O 0.162 3.47%
Al:Si 9.91
Expan. 7.05
ST 347.54
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Using calcined kaolin can reduce the number of materials however I have
not made the adjusting of the EPK as a calcined clay( removing the LOI)
Ababi Sharon
Glaze addict
Kibbutz Shoval Israel
ababisha@shoval.org.il
http://ababi.active.co.il
http://www.matrix2000.co.nz/Matrix%20Demo/Ababi.htm
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