Michelle Lowe on fri 17 nov 00
Hi all,
In collaboration with my friend and studio partner, I had a wonderful
success with a charity project here, creating a tiled chair from their
aluminum frame for "CHAIRity 2000" in Phoenix (see my web page for details-
http://www.desertdragonpottery.com/tileprojects/chair.html ).
As a result of this project, we have been experimenting with fabricating
furniture frames from rigid styrofoam, wire mesh and concrete, creating a
sturdy frame/structure which we can tile to, and which will hold the weight
of a person or more, in the case of the furniture. For the heavyweight
stuff (benches, tables, chairs), we are using expanded metal mesh, and it
works pretty well to give it rigidity. In other smaller projects, however,
we are interested in using a more flexible mesh and I'm wondering if anyone
knows the name of the material you can use, that will not deteriorate under
concrete. I understand standard nylon screening material will eventually
break down and I would rather have my tiles stay on the piece permanently!
This mesh is also used to assemble mural tiles prior to hanging, to
simplify the "layout/setting" problems that can happen regarding placement
and fit, in the pattern. A local mural artist here creates murals with
children, sets it on the floor, to the mesh, then simply hangs the mural by
picking up the mesh and setting it all at once, together, onto block wall
treated with thinset.
Anyone out there have a clue what I'm talking about?
Thanks, for any help anyone has!
Mishy
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mishy@desertdragonpottery.com /|\ | | |
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Joanne L. Van Bezooyen on sat 18 nov 00
Mishy,
The tiles are glued to the screening for installation purposes. The screening and
tiles are then thoroughly mortared to a solid surface. At that time, the screening
serves no further purpose. I suggest what you need to do is mix up some thin fine
cement (concrete), dip pieces of burlap into it and lay the pieces over your form
(like paper mache'). Build up several layers. Then trowel more cement on top.
This will give you a firm base (and a heavy base, so make it in place) Placing the
cemented burlap over the metal meshes wil make it strong.
After complete drying, I am sure you can mortar the tile pieces directly to the
sculpture.
I don't know how to work with fiberglass, but I would think it would be quite a bit
less heavy.
Joanne
freezing in Tucson and trapped home due to the El Tour de Tucson bicycle race.
Michelle Lowe wrote:
> At 08:20 AM 11/18/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi Mishy, It's Joanne in Tucson.
> >I do a lot of tile work.
> >I use aluminum screening to glue my murals to. I buy it at Home Depot or ACE
> >Hardware in rolls. Is this what you are thinking of? I've also used
> fiberglass
> >screening. Both products are used for window screens.
>
> Hi Joanne! Neighbor to the south! :-)
>
> I looked at aluminum screening, and actually purchased some fiberglass
> screening to try, but a local tile artist tells me that the fiberglass will
> eventually deteriorate. What I am doing is creating small freestanding
> sculpture to be tiled, from blocks of the white styro (most recently
> working on a figure of a horse). The fiberglass screening will easily form
> around the organic, undulating form I have created, maybe aluminum
> screening would also, I will have to give that one a try. I have put out
> some feelers to the local tile folks here to find out the exact nature of
> the mesh they buy from out of state, and will report back my findings, when
> they are in. I do thank all of you who are chiming in with your
> experience, MUCH appreciated!
>
> I take it Joanne, that the fiberglass screening you have used hasn't shown
> any sign of deterioration, or tiles not staying adhered, over time?
>
> Thanks again,
> Mishy, or maybe I should change that to "Meshy"....
>
> Michelle Lowe, potter in the Phoenix desert \|/ |
> mishlowe@amug.org -O- | |
> mishy@desertdragonpottery.com /|\ | | |
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> http://www.amug.org/~mishlowe -\ /-----|-----
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520-749-1685
Art Gecko Designs
http://www.arteriordesigns.com/noname.html
voice & fax: 520 760-1584
11220 East Via Madre
Tucson, Arizona 85749 USA
Rebecca Gregory on sat 18 nov 00
Mishy:
I have worked with "mosaic" floor tile. All the 2 1/4" x 2 1/4" tiles are
glued onto a cloth like mesh that makes up a square foot. This mesh works,
and this tile has been out on the market for years without any problems that
I am aware of. I think you may be looking for something stronger to be used
for your furniture, but why not use a strong substrate ie: the stuff you are
using now, glue the tiles onto the cloth mesh and then set it onto the
thinsete. Also, the cloth is thin enough to be really strings put together
in a grid formation. I have to work today, so I will get some info as to
what this mesh really is and let y'all know later.
Becky Gregory in Nashville, Tn
Cold, Cold, Cold, where is the snow? I want SNOW! Keep trying to get my
husband to move up north with me for the snow, but noooo. he won't hear of
it. Maybe I can get him to move to Canada with me :)! Now they have SNOW!
----Original Message Follows----
From: Michelle Lowe
"In other smaller projects, however,
we are interested in using a more flexible mesh and I'm wondering if anyone
knows the name of the material you can use, that will not deteriorate under
concrete. I understand standard nylon screening material will eventually
break down and I would rather have my tiles stay on the piece permanently!
This mesh is also used to assemble mural tiles prior to hanging, to
simplify the "layout/setting" problems that can happen regarding placement
and fit, in the pattern."
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Joanne L. Van Bezooyen on sat 18 nov 00
Hi Mishy, It's Joanne in Tucson.
I do a lot of tile work.
I use aluminum screening to glue my murals to. I buy it at Home Depot or ACE
Hardware in rolls. Is this what you are thinking of? I've also used fiberglass
screening. Both products are used for window screens.
Michelle Lowe wrote:
> Hi all,
> In collaboration with my friend and studio partner, I had a wonderful
> success with a charity project here, creating a tiled chair from their
> aluminum frame for "CHAIRity 2000" in Phoenix (see my web page for details-
> http://www.desertdragonpottery.com/tileprojects/chair.html ).
> As a result of this project, we have been experimenting with fabricating
> furniture frames from rigid styrofoam, wire mesh and concrete, creating a
> sturdy frame/structure which we can tile to, and which will hold the weight
> of a person or more, in the case of the furniture. For the heavyweight
> stuff (benches, tables, chairs), we are using expanded metal mesh, and it
> works pretty well to give it rigidity. In other smaller projects, however,
> we are interested in using a more flexible mesh and I'm wondering if anyone
> knows the name of the material you can use, that will not deteriorate under
> concrete. I understand standard nylon screening material will eventually
> break down and I would rather have my tiles stay on the piece permanently!
> This mesh is also used to assemble mural tiles prior to hanging, to
> simplify the "layout/setting" problems that can happen regarding placement
> and fit, in the pattern. A local mural artist here creates murals with
> children, sets it on the floor, to the mesh, then simply hangs the mural by
> picking up the mesh and setting it all at once, together, onto block wall
> treated with thinset.
>
> Anyone out there have a clue what I'm talking about?
>
> Thanks, for any help anyone has!
>
> Mishy
> Michelle Lowe, potter in the Phoenix desert \|/ |
> mishlowe@amug.org -O- | |
> mishy@desertdragonpottery.com /|\ | | |
> |_|_|
> http://www.desertdragonpottery.com ____ |
> http://www.amug.org/~mishlowe -\ /-----|-----
> ( )
> <__>
>
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>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at melpots@pclink.com.
--
Joanne L. Van Bezooyen
520-749-1685
Art Gecko Designs
http://www.arteriordesigns.com/noname.html
voice & fax: 520 760-1584
11220 East Via Madre
Tucson, Arizona 85749 USA
Snail Scott on sat 18 nov 00
Does it matter if the mesh disintegrates, if the mastic has good
contact with both the tile and substrate, and the grout is good?
I thought the mesh only needed to hold up long enough to install.
-Snail
>
>I looked at aluminum screening, and actually purchased some fiberglass
>screening to try, but a local tile artist tells me that the fiberglass will
>eventually deteriorate. What I am doing is creating small freestanding
>sculpture to be tiled, from blocks of the white styro (most recently
>working on a figure of a horse).
>Thanks again,
>Mishy, or maybe I should change that to "Meshy"....
>
>
Brenda Beeley on sat 18 nov 00
>
>As a result of this project, we have been experimenting with fabricating
>furniture frames from rigid styrofoam, wire mesh and concrete, creating a
>sturdy frame/structure which we can tile to, and which will hold the weight
>of a person or more, in the case of the furniture. For the heavyweight
>stuff (benches, tables, chairs), we are using expanded metal mesh, and it
>works pretty well to give it rigidity. In other smaller projects, however,
>we are interested in using a more flexible mesh and I'm wondering if anyone
>knows the name of the material you can use, that will not deteriorate under
>concrete.
Dear Michelle Lowe,
My concrete friend uses chicken wire for small pieces. She first puts on
pattycake size (silver dollar) pads of cement on the chicken wire--so it
eventually looks like one of those oldtime quilts made of tiny circles..
Then the next layer is a thin coat of cement over the entire piece. Then
you can tile it. I've been collecting old wrought iron chairs to use as a
frame to put either expanded metal lath or chicken wire to build up my
base. You could also put chicken wire around a garden plastic chair. There
are many concrete websites and decorative concrete websites that probably
have more authoritative answers.
Good luck, Brenda
Michelle Lowe on sat 18 nov 00
At 08:20 AM 11/18/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Mishy, It's Joanne in Tucson.
>I do a lot of tile work.
>I use aluminum screening to glue my murals to. I buy it at Home Depot or ACE
>Hardware in rolls. Is this what you are thinking of? I've also used
fiberglass
>screening. Both products are used for window screens.
Hi Joanne! Neighbor to the south! :-)
I looked at aluminum screening, and actually purchased some fiberglass
screening to try, but a local tile artist tells me that the fiberglass will
eventually deteriorate. What I am doing is creating small freestanding
sculpture to be tiled, from blocks of the white styro (most recently
working on a figure of a horse). The fiberglass screening will easily form
around the organic, undulating form I have created, maybe aluminum
screening would also, I will have to give that one a try. I have put out
some feelers to the local tile folks here to find out the exact nature of
the mesh they buy from out of state, and will report back my findings, when
they are in. I do thank all of you who are chiming in with your
experience, MUCH appreciated!
I take it Joanne, that the fiberglass screening you have used hasn't shown
any sign of deterioration, or tiles not staying adhered, over time?
Thanks again,
Mishy, or maybe I should change that to "Meshy"....
Michelle Lowe, potter in the Phoenix desert \|/ |
mishlowe@amug.org -O- | |
mishy@desertdragonpottery.com /|\ | | |
|_|_|
http://www.desertdragonpottery.com ____ |
http://www.amug.org/~mishlowe -\ /-----|-----
( )
<__>
Mike Gordon on sun 19 nov 00
Hi,
While taking a class at Hayward State University, with Donna Billick, we
made a class tile covered sofa. We started out with large blocks of
styrofoam which we cut and shaped into an overstuffed sofa shape. Then
we covered it with fiber glass resin over fiberglass mesh. Then we
stapled small mesh chicken wire over it, sqeegeed mortar into the mesh
and made our own tiles 3/4 " thick with Sculpture mix 412.We adhered it
with a latex mixture with mortar for outside use used a red colored
grout, woth a pale green glaze. Great! Mike Gordon
Wood Jeanne on sun 19 nov 00
Hello,
To those who are using the tile & mesh process for
furniture. I think this may be of wide interest. I'd
like to encourage you to write up an article with LOTS
of pictures and see if one of the clay periodicals
will publish it in their mags.
Being a visual person, I would appreciate that!
Cheers,
Jeanne W.
--- "Joanne L. Van Bezooyen"
wrote:
> Mishy,
> The tiles are glued to the screening for
> installation purposes. The screening and
> tiles are then thoroughly mortared to a solid
> surface. At that time, the screening
> serves no further purpose. I suggest what you need
> to do is mix up some thin fine
> cement (concrete), dip pieces of burlap into it and
> lay the pieces over your form
> (like paper mache'). Build up several layers. Then
> trowel more cement on top.
> This will give you a firm base (and a heavy base, so
> make it in place) Placing the
> cemented burlap over the metal meshes wil make it
> strong.
> After complete drying, I am sure you can mortar the
> tile pieces directly to the
> sculpture.
> I don't know how to work with fiberglass, but I
> would think it would be quite a bit
> less heavy.
> Joanne
> freezing in Tucson and trapped home due to the El
> Tour de Tucson bicycle race.
>
>
> Michelle Lowe wrote:
>
> > At 08:20 AM 11/18/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Hi Mishy, It's Joanne in Tucson.
> > >I do a lot of tile work.
> > >I use aluminum screening to glue my murals to. I
> buy it at Home Depot or ACE
> > >Hardware in rolls. Is this what you are thinking
> of? I've also used
> > fiberglass
> > >screening. Both products are used for window
> screens.
> >
> > Hi Joanne! Neighbor to the south! :-)
> >
> > I looked at aluminum screening, and actually
> purchased some fiberglass
> > screening to try, but a local tile artist tells me
> that the fiberglass will
> > eventually deteriorate. What I am doing is
> creating small freestanding
> > sculpture to be tiled, from blocks of the white
> styro (most recently
> > working on a figure of a horse). The fiberglass
> screening will easily form
> > around the organic, undulating form I have
> created, maybe aluminum
> > screening would also, I will have to give that one
> a try. I have put out
> > some feelers to the local tile folks here to find
> out the exact nature of
> > the mesh they buy from out of state, and will
> report back my findings, when
> > they are in. I do thank all of you who are
> chiming in with your
> > experience, MUCH appreciated!
> >
> > I take it Joanne, that the fiberglass screening
> you have used hasn't shown
> > any sign of deterioration, or tiles not staying
> adhered, over time?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mishy, or maybe I should change that to
> "Meshy"....
> >
> > Michelle Lowe, potter in the Phoenix desert \|/
> |
> > mishlowe@amug.org -O-
> | |
> > mishy@desertdragonpottery.com /|> | | |
> >
> |_|_|
> > http://www.desertdragonpottery.com ____
> |
> > http://www.amug.org/~mishlowe -> /-----|-----
> > ( )
> > <__>
> >
> >
>
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> reached at melpots@pclink.com.
>
> --
> Joanne L. Van Bezooyen
> 520-749-1685
> Art Gecko Designs
> http://www.arteriordesigns.com/noname.html
> voice & fax: 520 760-1584
> 11220 East Via Madre
> Tucson, Arizona 85749 USA
>
>
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