Gayle Bair on sun 19 nov 00
Hi Liz,
I should have recalled my experience as a judge.
I did what you described as a judge. I agree, for me there
is no stopping a piece that "sings". You must admit though that
what sings for you may not sing for someone else. Therein lies
the subjective nature of judging.
I did not intend to demean judging. However like anything
else there are various degrees of good and bad ones.
Gayle Bair- getting ready for several shows and an onslaught of
company this week.
Hello Gayle,
I have strong opinions about entering work in a juried show that is
influenced by what one might think that juror likes or dislikes.
Ditto, for following what is currently stylish or popular at the
moment. One has to follow your own vision.
Jurors do not necessarily judge work that is similar to their own.
Ideally they know what good form is, and every thing else that goes
with that form.
I've won a lot of awards. From jurors whose work is entirely
different from my own. If a work sings, or is of value, it will show
in the work.
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>Ahhh, well put!
>I knew someone would say what I was thinking!
>If one is determined to enter juried shows
>then I see benefit in compiling a list of people who
>jury plus their likes and dislikes. This would save
>potters money. At the least look at their web site and
>see if you can glean an idea for their preferences.
>Why enter a show when you know there is a judge that
>will not like or appreciate your work.
>Judging work is another purely subjective issue.
>Gayle Bair- Happy Birthday Martin!
>
>
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>>out what they like, look at the magazines, `now i know what to make`.
>bull. let your work take its course, one step at a time.>
>
>It takes a long time for many of us to come to that point where we can
>follow our own inclinations, rather than submit to the dictates of those in
>authority.
>It is part of growing up.
>
>When you get to the point of not caring a fig about
>passing an examination,
>being chosen as suitable for the "selected members list",
>getting a title,
>letters after your name,
>and can give up letters and qualifications that took many years of hard
work
>to achieve;
>
>Then I feel freedom is near. And it may well show in your work and in you.
>
>Posterity will judge.
>Or perhaps even that recognition is meaningless in the larger canvas of our
>many lives.
>
Liz Willoughby on mon 20 nov 00
Hello Gayle,
It is really an interesting question. Whether or not jurors can be
objective when selecting work for shows or awards.
I think that some are subjective, but I would like to think that most
have a good enough sense of good form, design, and craftsmanship,
that they would choose accordingly. I also think that when a piece
"sings" it does not necessarily mean that it is similar to your own
aesthetic. I'm thinking of looking at any great art, it lets you
know it, to most people.
What set me off in that tangent, was that I really do not believe
that anyone who is entering a show should do so on the basis on what
that juror might like or dislike.
I should have said as well as winning awards, I have also been
rejected. And in two of those instances I do think that there was a
complete "blank spot" by the juror to appreciate my work. Or maybe
that is what I want to believe!
Maybe we can get a real discussion going on this issue. I would like
to hear what others on the list think.
Liz
>Hi Liz,
>I should have recalled my experience as a judge.
>I did what you described as a judge. I agree, for me there
>is no stopping a piece that "sings". You must admit though that
>what sings for you may not sing for someone else. Therein lies
>the subjective nature of judging.
>I did not intend to demean judging. However like anything
>else there are various degrees of good and bad ones.
>Gayle Bair- getting ready for several shows and an onslaught of
>company this week.
>
>
> >If one is determined to enter juried shows
> >then I see benefit in compiling a list of people who
> >jury plus their likes and dislikes. This would save
> >potters money. At the least look at their web site and
> >see if you can glean an idea for their preferences.
> >Why enter a show when you know there is a judge that
> >will not like or appreciate your work.
> >Judging work is another purely subjective issue.
>Gayle Bair
Liz Willoughby
RR 1
2903 Shelter Valley Rd.
Grafton, On.
Canada
e-mail lizwill@phc.igs.net
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