mel jacobson on sun 26 nov 00
feriz delkic recommends using a rolling pin and with as much
pressure that you have, flatten the fibre, install, then spray
with several coats of itc 100.
the logic is:
if you install loose, poorly constructed fibre, it will fall
away from the top and sidewalls all by itself. when this
falls away it has lost its integrity...then when you spray the itc
it adds a great weight...and the whole mess can loosen.
since we do not know your construction technique, or what you
are building....the concept is all i have for you.
there is a great difference in fibre...some of it is really crummy.
buy the best, good solid tight weave. it pays in the long run.
the best has almost like a velcro woven fibre glass support system.
the cheap crap was never meant to be suspended...it is the stuff
that is put flat on top of a brick kiln for insulation.
mel
many who have criticized the itc product when asked what kind
of fibre they are using, answer...`hell, i don't know, got it free
out of an old kiln a guy was throwing away...`...get the point?
FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
philrogers pottery on sun 26 nov 00
Can I just add to this thread by reminding anyone who is contemplating the
use of Fibre for a kiln that it is now officially classed as a carcinogenic
in this country and I have a feeling that a number of potters will be going
down with lung disorders quite soon now, probably misotheleoma or straight
cancer. There is upto 30 years incubation for the former disease so I figure
anytime now we should start hearing of the first cases! Be very careful with
this stuff. It is not to be used with kind of cavalier attitude that we have
seen in the past. Outdoors with a mask is the only way.
By the way, these predictions are not mine but of a lung disease consultant
from S. America who sent me his findings after I wrote a letter of warning
to Ceramic Review. His findings and my suspicions were backed up by an
article two or three years ago in Ceramics Art and Perception which examined
the structure, particle size etc. of the Different Fibres and found the
risks were very real. Contrary to popular belief it is more dangerous BEFORE
firing because of particle size and certain fibre densities are more harmful
than others. If anyone is seriously interested I will look out the article
and post the issue number.
I have a feeling that ceramic Fibre is far more of a hazard than many of the
materials which have cropped up in discussion lately but yet is rarely
mentioned in this context.
Phil.
Phil and Lynne Rogers,
Lower Cefn Faes,
RHAYADER.
Powys. LD6 5LT.
Tel/fax. (44) 01597 810875.
philrogers@ntlworld.com
----- Original Message -----
From: mel jacobson
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: itc/fibre
> feriz delkic recommends using a rolling pin and with as much
> pressure that you have, flatten the fibre, install, then spray
> with several coats of itc 100.
>
> the logic is:
>
> if you install loose, poorly constructed fibre, it will fall
> away from the top and sidewalls all by itself. when this
> falls away it has lost its integrity...then when you spray the itc
> it adds a great weight...and the whole mess can loosen.
>
> since we do not know your construction technique, or what you
> are building....the concept is all i have for you.
>
> there is a great difference in fibre...some of it is really crummy.
> buy the best, good solid tight weave. it pays in the long run.
> the best has almost like a velcro woven fibre glass support system.
> the cheap crap was never meant to be suspended...it is the stuff
> that is put flat on top of a brick kiln for insulation.
>
> mel
> many who have criticized the itc product when asked what kind
> of fibre they are using, answer...`hell, i don't know, got it free
> out of an old kiln a guy was throwing away...`...get the point?
>
>
> FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
>
>
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Robert Santerre on mon 27 nov 00
Mel, do you have a manufacture's or distributor's name for the "really good" woven
fiber glass?
Thanks, Bob
rfsanterre@iquest.net
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mel jacobson wrote:
> feriz delkic recommends using a rolling pin and with as much
> pressure that you have, flatten the fibre, install, then spray
> with several coats of itc 100.
>
> the logic is:
>
> if you install loose, poorly constructed fibre, it will fall
> away from the top and sidewalls all by itself. when this
> falls away it has lost its integrity...then when you spray the itc
> it adds a great weight...and the whole mess can loosen.
>
> since we do not know your construction technique, or what you
> are building....the concept is all i have for you.
>
> there is a great difference in fibre...some of it is really crummy.
> buy the best, good solid tight weave. it pays in the long run.
> the best has almost like a velcro woven fibre glass support system.
> the cheap crap was never meant to be suspended...it is the stuff
> that is put flat on top of a brick kiln for insulation.
>
> mel
> many who have criticized the itc product when asked what kind
> of fibre they are using, answer...`hell, i don't know, got it free
> out of an old kiln a guy was throwing away...`...get the point?
>
> FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
> http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
>
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