Eric Lidicker on thu 30 nov 00
Greetings,
Following is a copy of an e-mail I sent to an old e-mail address for =
Frank Tucker in hopes of finding out what is wrong with our ConeArt =
Kilns or our firing set up. Any assistence will be greatly.
We have purchased several D2327 Kilns over the years and recently =
replaced 3 old kilns with new ones, but I am having difficulting firing =
on our usual program. Usually, I can find the problem, mostly due to =
Michael's patient tutoring several years ago via phone.
We have 3 kilns. We have the relays & transformer boxes mounted on the =
wall in the kiln room which is a drywall insulated room with an exhaust =
fan. The Bartlett controllers are mounted outside the room on the =
drywall.
When we ordered the new kilns we only got the kilns and maintained our =
old setup.
One test fired to 2250F and has worked fine (#2). One we had trouble =
with before where we kept getting an errr1 message. Since we were =
getting the new ones soon we just ignored it and stopped using it (#3). =
We still receive this message despite replacing all the relays and the =
transformer, thermocouple and swapping computer controllers. The only =
constant is the thermocouple wire and computer controller wire and =
breakers. I pulled the breakers out & they appear fine. We also have the =
same problem with our #1 kiln. We had not used that hook up for awhile =
since the new kilns were coming and the lid fell off (after 3 years of =
hard use).
I spoke with Paul the other day when I could not get the #3 and #1 kilns =
to test fire and he thought maybe I was just getting the message because =
I was firing at 9999 degrees/hr up to 2250F and the empty kiln could not =
ramp up fast enough. I was willing to buy that even though I have test =
fired after replacing elements with this program, I guess, becaues I =
wanted it to be true.
Tonight on #3 i could not get past 550F on a bisque program:
1000F/hr
140F
3 hours hold
100F/hr
170F
2 hours hold
220F/hr
985F
40 min hold
220F/hr
1850F
5 min hold
In fact it went to 500F and back down to 240F?!?! So I took this to be a =
computer problem but swapping did not help. Still got an errr1.
On #1 it seems to errr1 at about 2000F. It really seems to take forever =
once it reaches 1500F and limps up before err1.
Glaze program
220F/hr
1340F
40 min hold
220F/hr
2040F
40 min hold
106F/hr
2210
30 min hold
106F/hr
2250
5 min hold
I detail these programs even though we have been using them with success =
for about 5 years or more. Our electrician says everything is okay. I =
would almost feel better if all 3 did not work, but I am particularly =
baffled that one does and two do not. Worse still #1 and #2 (the one =
that works) are on seperate breakers but on the same line. Kilns #3 and =
4 are on seperate breakers and a different breaker box. If it was just =
one breaker box and not the other, but its not....
We retained one old kilnw which I will hook up tomorrow to the =
relay/transformer box of Kiln # 3 to fire. This had been our old # 2 =
kiln which was the only one we were firing the last month or so. To say =
the back log is stacking up is to put it mildly. Fortunately we have one =
kiln working which is just keeping the most upet customers at bay but we =
really don't know where to look.
Open to any and all suggestions!
The crux of the problem is that our set up was working fine and we =
started to have probelms and since our kilns were so old and heavily =
used we thought new kilns would solve them. Now with the same setup and =
new kilns we have the same problem which leads me to think electrical =
problem but our electrician keeps saying everything is okay. Do I get =
another electrician?
I know you have talked with Donald at some point over the years and you =
and Michael have always been very helpful & patient even when it turned =
out to be something obvious we were overlooking. Now we just don't know =
what to do.
Thank you,
Eric Lidicker
Donald Schnell Studio
http://www.donaldschnell.com
St John, U.S. Virgin Islands
Peter J. Houghton on fri 1 dec 00
Eric,
I can relate to your post. I purchased a Bailey/Cone Art
2827-10 a few years ago with an Orton controller. It arrived with
chunks of soft brick nicked out of the walls. There was a coating of
some type of repair material on them, and some of it was on the
element wires.
I called Bailey. I was told to send pictures of the damage
to Cone Art. I did so. They replied that the material in question
wouldn't damage or shorten the life of the elements, and Bailey gave
me $75 credit toward my next purchase.
The kiln wasn't firing properly from the get-go. I had just
recently gotten out of the hospital, so it took me awhile to regain
my strength to be downstairs trying to figure out what was wrong. It
was a situation that couldn't have happened at a worse time. I was
very depressed. I sympathize with you for the anxious moments you
are facing.
The firings were similar to what you describe happening to
your #1, with err1 messages, limping up to 2000F. We checked
everything with a voltmeter, and couldn't find a short anywhere. We
did all the same checks as you.
I didn't notice this at first, but the top section- a
removable ring- was out completely one day. We found a fuse had
blown out. We replaced it. It blew out again.
After several phone conversations with Cone Art, it was
figured out that the two 15 amp fuses which were installed when it
was built were too small. We needed to try 20 amp fuses. We did and
haven't had a problem since.
The people at Cone Art said they don't build the 2827 too
often, so that was the reason it got by them.
Every time I've purchased equipment, no matter from which
well-known manufacturer in the Ceramics world, it has arrived
"brand-new" with very serious functional problems that required lots
of back-and-forth between myself & the makers... wheel, kiln & and
wheel attachment problems that should never have been missed before
the equipment was sent out. I'm really sick of it.
Certain manufacturers have told me to send the whole thing
back, when all it needed was a part replaced. It's happened often
enough that I'm getting suspicious about the reason they want the
whole thing sent back to them.
I hope you find out soon what the problem is. Please let me
know when you do. Sounds like different problems for each.
Joyce Jackson
--
Peter J. Houghton and Joyce Jackson
EMAIL: pjmedia@earthlink.net
Eric Lidicker on fri 1 dec 00
Indeed, Rob & Dave give excellenat support and helped us out about 4 years
ago with a controller problem, so even though I did not think this was a
controller problem I gave them a call and they were happy to let me torture
them with my problem. They had several good suggestions and unlike some
other support types actually listened to what we had already done and could
respond to that instead of just parroting standard replies. Unfortunately,
nothing has worked so far, though they have pledged to brood about it and
let me know if they think of something.
The crux of the problem is "Why would a previously proven firing set up
cease to function?" We have swapped out relays, transformers and in our
case, have new kilns. I've being doing this for over ten years and my boss
for 25 as production potters firing four kilns 3-4 times a week so we've
seen alot of stuff. Admittedly we sometimes forget solutions to problems we
haven't had for awhile but eventually we get it. We just haven't seen this
problem and not been able to solve it w/ the usual solutions like finding a
bad relay, defective transformer or more likely just a broken element or
wire and before installing additional fuses fried controllers.
If we ever figure it out we'll let you know, but we are getting more
desperate. :(
later
eric
Donald Schnell Studio
http://www.donaldschnell.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: ConeArt Kiln & Bartlett Controller Errr1 firing problems HELP
>
> Eric
> Call Dave Bartlett. He runs Bartlett, He will get you through your
problems.
> You can also E mail him at bartinst@interl.net
> The people at Bartlett Instrument give outstanding support for their
> equipment.
> Bill Campbell
>
>
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Eric Lidicker on fri 1 dec 00
The Kilns are brand new. The klns are about 20 feet from the breakers. We
started to have the problem with the old kilns but put it down to age and
extended use (3-4 times/week for about five years) and the original lids had
fallen apart so we were using less substantial replacements. Two of the new
ones failed from the get go to successfully test fire to 2250F at
9999F/hour. The one working new kiln is coincidentally in the same location
and hookup as the one working old kiln. This made me think it was a breaker
problem but the breakers look fine. Our electician says the volts & amps are
good but to me everything points that way. Think perhaps I should get a
different electrician? They are single zone kilns w/ type K thermocouples.
Any additional thoughts?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnold Howard"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: ConeArt Kiln & Bartlett Controller Errr1 firing problems HELP
> Err1 means the temperature rise is slower than 12°F per hour. Have you
> checked for burned out elements?
>
> Is this a multi-zone kiln? In that case, the temperature lag may be set
too
> low.
>
> You may have low voltage. You could do a voltmeter test while the kiln is
> firing. You could also test kiln amperage during firing. An ammeter test
will
> indicate if the elements are worn or if any are out.
>
> Did firing time gradually become longer before Err1 began appearing? A
> gradually increasing firing time indicates worn elements.
>
> How far away is the breaker panel from the kiln?
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Arnold Howard
> Paragon
>
> --- Eric Lidicker wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Following is a copy of an e-mail I sent to an old e-mail address for
Frank
> > Tucker in hopes of finding out what is wrong with our ConeArt Kilns or
our
> > firing set up. Any assistence will be greatly.
> >
> > We have purchased several D2327 Kilns over the years and recently
replaced
> > 3 old kilns with new ones, but I am having difficulting firing on our
usual
> > program. Usually, I can find the problem, mostly due to Michael's
patient
> > tutoring several years ago via phone.
> >
> > We have 3 kilns. We have the relays & transformer boxes mounted on the
wall
> > in the kiln room which is a drywall insulated room with an exhaust fan.
The
> > Bartlett controllers are mounted outside the room on the drywall.
> >
> > When we ordered the new kilns we only got the kilns and maintained our
old
> > setup.
> > > > One test fired to 2250F and has worked fine (#2). One we had trouble
with
> > before where we kept getting an errr1 message. Since we were getting the
> > new ones soon we just ignored it and stopped using it (#3). We still
> > receive this message despite replacing all the relays and the
transformer,
> > thermocouple and swapping computer controllers. The only constant is the
> > thermocouple wire and computer controller wire and breakers. I pulled
the
> > breakers out & they appear fine. We also have the same problem with our
#1
> > kiln. We had not used that hook up for awhile since the new kilns were
> > coming and the lid fell off (after 3 years of hard use).
> >
> > I spoke with Paul the other day when I could not get the #3 and #1 kilns
to
> > test fire and he thought maybe I was just getting the message because I
was
> > firing at 9999 degrees/hr up to 2250F and the empty kiln could not ramp
up
> > fast enough. I was willing to buy that even though I have test fired
after
> > replacing elements with this program, I guess, becaues I wanted it to be
> > true.
> >
> > Tonight on #3 i could not get past 550F on a bisque program:
> >
> > 1000F/hr
> > 140F
> > 3 hours hold
> >
> > 100F/hr
> > 170F
> > 2 hours hold
> >
> > 220F/hr
> > 985F
> > 40 min hold
> >
> > 220F/hr
> > 1850F
> > 5 min hold
> >
> > In fact it went to 500F and back down to 240F?!?! So I took this to be a
> > computer problem but swapping did not help. Still got an errr1.
> >
> > On #1 it seems to errr1 at about 2000F. It really seems to take forever
> > once it reaches 1500F and limps up before err1.
> >
> > Glaze program
> >
> > 220F/hr
> > 1340F
> > 40 min hold
> >
> > 220F/hr
> > 2040F
> > 40 min hold
> >
> > 106F/hr
> > 2210
> > 30 min hold
> >
> > 106F/hr
> > 2250
> > 5 min hold
> >
> > I detail these programs even though we have been using them with success
> > for about 5 years or more. Our electrician says everything is okay. I
would
> > almost feel better if all 3 did not work, but I am particularly baffled
> > that one does and two do not. Worse still #1 and #2 (the one that works)
> > are on seperate breakers but on the same line. Kilns #3 and 4 are on
> > seperate breakers and a different breaker box. If it was just one
breaker
> > box and not the other, but its not....
> >
> > We retained one old kilnw which I will hook up tomorrow to the
> > relay/transformer box of Kiln # 3 to fire. This had been our old # 2
kiln
> > which was the only one we were firing the last month or so. To say the
back
> > log is stacking up is to put it mildly. Fortunately we have one kiln
> > working which is just keeping the most upet customers at bay but we
really
> > don't know where to look.
> >
> > Open to any and all suggestions!
> >
> > The crux of the problem is that our set up was working fine and we
started
> > to have probelms and since our kilns were so old and heavily used we
> > thought new kilns would solve them. Now with the same setup and new
kilns
> > we have the same problem which leads me to think electrical problem but
our
> > electrician keeps saying everything is okay. Do I get another
electrician?
> >
> > I know you have talked with Donald at some point over the years and you
and
> > Michael have always been very helpful & patient even when it turned out
to
> > be something obvious we were overlooking. Now we just don't know what to
> > do.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Eric Lidicker
> >
> >
> > Donald Schnell Studio
> > http://www.donaldschnell.com
> > St John, U.S. Virgin Islands
> >
> >
>
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WHC228@AOL.COM on fri 1 dec 00
Eric
Call Dave Bartlett. He runs Bartlett, He will get you through your problems.
You can also E mail him at bartinst@interl.net
The people at Bartlett Instrument give outstanding support for their
equipment.
Bill Campbell
Arnold Howard on fri 1 dec 00
Err1 means the temperature rise is slower than 12°F per hour. Have you
checked for burned out elements?
Is this a multi-zone kiln? In that case, the temperature lag may be set too
low.
You may have low voltage. You could do a voltmeter test while the kiln is
firing. You could also test kiln amperage during firing. An ammeter test will
indicate if the elements are worn or if any are out.
Did firing time gradually become longer before Err1 began appearing? A
gradually increasing firing time indicates worn elements.
How far away is the breaker panel from the kiln?
With best wishes,
Arnold Howard
Paragon
--- Eric Lidicker wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Following is a copy of an e-mail I sent to an old e-mail address for Frank
> Tucker in hopes of finding out what is wrong with our ConeArt Kilns or our
> firing set up. Any assistence will be greatly.
>
> We have purchased several D2327 Kilns over the years and recently replaced
> 3 old kilns with new ones, but I am having difficulting firing on our usual
> program. Usually, I can find the problem, mostly due to Michael's patient
> tutoring several years ago via phone.
>
> We have 3 kilns. We have the relays & transformer boxes mounted on the wall
> in the kiln room which is a drywall insulated room with an exhaust fan. The
> Bartlett controllers are mounted outside the room on the drywall.
>
> When we ordered the new kilns we only got the kilns and maintained our old
> setup.
> > One test fired to 2250F and has worked fine (#2). One we had trouble with
> before where we kept getting an errr1 message. Since we were getting the
> new ones soon we just ignored it and stopped using it (#3). We still
> receive this message despite replacing all the relays and the transformer,
> thermocouple and swapping computer controllers. The only constant is the
> thermocouple wire and computer controller wire and breakers. I pulled the
> breakers out & they appear fine. We also have the same problem with our #1
> kiln. We had not used that hook up for awhile since the new kilns were
> coming and the lid fell off (after 3 years of hard use).
>
> I spoke with Paul the other day when I could not get the #3 and #1 kilns to
> test fire and he thought maybe I was just getting the message because I was
> firing at 9999 degrees/hr up to 2250F and the empty kiln could not ramp up
> fast enough. I was willing to buy that even though I have test fired after
> replacing elements with this program, I guess, becaues I wanted it to be
> true.
>
> Tonight on #3 i could not get past 550F on a bisque program:
>
> 1000F/hr
> 140F
> 3 hours hold
>
> 100F/hr
> 170F
> 2 hours hold
>
> 220F/hr
> 985F
> 40 min hold
>
> 220F/hr
> 1850F
> 5 min hold
>
> In fact it went to 500F and back down to 240F?!?! So I took this to be a
> computer problem but swapping did not help. Still got an errr1.
>
> On #1 it seems to errr1 at about 2000F. It really seems to take forever
> once it reaches 1500F and limps up before err1.
>
> Glaze program
>
> 220F/hr
> 1340F
> 40 min hold
>
> 220F/hr
> 2040F
> 40 min hold
>
> 106F/hr
> 2210
> 30 min hold
>
> 106F/hr
> 2250
> 5 min hold
>
> I detail these programs even though we have been using them with success
> for about 5 years or more. Our electrician says everything is okay. I would
> almost feel better if all 3 did not work, but I am particularly baffled
> that one does and two do not. Worse still #1 and #2 (the one that works)
> are on seperate breakers but on the same line. Kilns #3 and 4 are on
> seperate breakers and a different breaker box. If it was just one breaker
> box and not the other, but its not....
>
> We retained one old kilnw which I will hook up tomorrow to the
> relay/transformer box of Kiln # 3 to fire. This had been our old # 2 kiln
> which was the only one we were firing the last month or so. To say the back
> log is stacking up is to put it mildly. Fortunately we have one kiln
> working which is just keeping the most upet customers at bay but we really
> don't know where to look.
>
> Open to any and all suggestions!
>
> The crux of the problem is that our set up was working fine and we started
> to have probelms and since our kilns were so old and heavily used we
> thought new kilns would solve them. Now with the same setup and new kilns
> we have the same problem which leads me to think electrical problem but our
> electrician keeps saying everything is okay. Do I get another electrician?
>
> I know you have talked with Donald at some point over the years and you and
> Michael have always been very helpful & patient even when it turned out to
> be something obvious we were overlooking. Now we just don't know what to
> do.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Lidicker
>
>
> Donald Schnell Studio
> http://www.donaldschnell.com
> St John, U.S. Virgin Islands
>
>
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Arnold Howard on sat 2 dec 00
Eric, your electrician may not have tested voltage and amperage under load.
If you perform the following tests, please be careful:
1. Check the rated amperage of the kiln. This should be listed on the data
plate fastened to the switch box.
2. While the kiln is firing, check the voltage at the wall receptacle. You do
this by pulling the plug from the wall about 1/4". Place voltmeter probes
against the two "hot" plug prongs. Voltage should be within several volts of
rated voltage. Yours is probably okay since your other kilns are firing
properly.
3. Check amperage while the kiln is firing. Unplug the kiln, remove the
switch box, and place an ammeter clamp around one of the "hot" cord wires
(not the grounding wire) inside the switch box. The ammeter clamp must be
placed around only one "hot" wire, not two. Therefore, you must open the box
and find where the cord wires are stripped of their outer insulation.
I caution you: plug the kiln back in, but do not touch anything inside the
box. Opening the box exposes you to live electrical wires. Turn on the kiln
and wait until you know the relays have clicked on. Check the ammeter
reading.
If your voltage was correct when you tested it under load, but amperage is
lower than the amperage on the data plate, consider these possibilities:
1. Your kiln has the wrong elements. (This doesn't happen often, but I assure
you, kilns occasionally leave factories with wrong elements.)
2. If the amperage is very low, an element is burned out. This could be due
to a loose connection that over-heated or element contamination.
3. An element is disconnected somewhere.
I am sure you will solve your kiln problem soon!
With best wishes,
Arnold Howard
Paragon
--- Eric Lidicker wrote:
> The Kilns are brand new. The klns are about 20 feet from the breakers. We
> started to have the problem with the old kilns but put it down to age and
> extended use (3-4 times/week for about five years) and the original lids
> had
> fallen apart so we were using less substantial replacements. Two of the new
> ones failed from the get go to successfully test fire to 2250F at
> 9999F/hour. The one working new kiln is coincidentally in the same location
> and hookup as the one working old kiln. This made me think it was a breaker
> problem but the breakers look fine. Our electician says the volts & amps
> are
> good but to me everything points that way. Think perhaps I should get a
> different electrician? They are single zone kilns w/ type K thermocouples.
>
> Any additional thoughts?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnold Howard"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: ConeArt Kiln & Bartlett Controller Errr1 firing problems HELP
>
>
> > Err1 means the temperature rise is slower than 12°F per hour. Have you
> > checked for burned out elements?
> >
> > Is this a multi-zone kiln? In that case, the temperature lag may be set
> too
> > low.
> >
> > You may have low voltage. You could do a voltmeter test while the kiln is
> > firing. You could also test kiln amperage during firing. An ammeter test
> will
> > indicate if the elements are worn or if any are out.
> >
> > Did firing time gradually become longer before Err1 began appearing? A
> > gradually increasing firing time indicates worn elements.
> >
> > How far away is the breaker panel from the kiln?
> >
> > With best wishes,
> >
> > Arnold Howard
> > Paragon
> >
> > --- Eric Lidicker wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Following is a copy of an e-mail I sent to an old e-mail address for
> Frank
> > > Tucker in hopes of finding out what is wrong with our ConeArt Kilns or
> our
> > > firing set up. Any assistence will be greatly.
> > >
> > > We have purchased several D2327 Kilns over the years and recently
> replaced
> > > 3 old kilns with new ones, but I am having difficulting firing on our
> usual
> > > program. Usually, I can find the problem, mostly due to Michael's
> patient
> > > tutoring several years ago via phone.
> > >
> > > We have 3 kilns. We have the relays & transformer boxes mounted on the
> wall
> > > in the kiln room which is a drywall insulated room with an exhaust fan.
> The
> > > Bartlett controllers are mounted outside the room on the drywall.
> > >
> > > When we ordered the new kilns we only got the kilns and maintained our
> old
> > > setup.
> > > > > > One test fired to 2250F and has worked fine (#2). One we had trouble
> with
> > > before where we kept getting an errr1 message. Since we were getting
> the
> > > new ones soon we just ignored it and stopped using it (#3). We still
> > > receive this message despite replacing all the relays and the
> transformer,
> > > thermocouple and swapping computer controllers. The only constant is
> the
> > > thermocouple wire and computer controller wire and breakers. I pulled
> the
> > > breakers out & they appear fine. We also have the same problem with our
> #1
> > > kiln. We had not used that hook up for awhile since the new kilns were
> > > coming and the lid fell off (after 3 years of hard use).
> > >
> > > I spoke with Paul the other day when I could not get the #3 and #1
> kilns
> to
> > > test fire and he thought maybe I was just getting the message because I
> was
> > > firing at 9999 degrees/hr up to 2250F and the empty kiln could not ramp
> up
> > > fast enough. I was willing to buy that even though I have test fired
> after
> > > replacing elements with this program, I guess, becaues I wanted it to
> be
> > > true.
> > >
> > > Tonight on #3 i could not get past 550F on a bisque program:
> > >
> > > 1000F/hr
> > > 140F
> > > 3 hours hold
> > >
> > > 100F/hr
> > > 170F
> > > 2 hours hold
> > >
> > > 220F/hr
> > > 985F
> > > 40 min hold
> > >
> > > 220F/hr
> > > 1850F
> > > 5 min hold
> > >
> > > In fact it went to 500F and back down to 240F?!?! So I took this to be
> a
> > > computer problem but swapping did not help. Still got an errr1.
> > >
> > > On #1 it seems to errr1 at about 2000F. It really seems to take forever
> > > once it reaches 1500F and limps up before err1.
> > >
> > > Glaze program
> > >
> > > 220F/hr
> > > 1340F
> > > 40 min hold
> > >
> > > 220F/hr
> > > 2040F
> > > 40 min hold
> > >
> > > 106F/hr
> > > 2210
> > > 30 min hold
> > >
> > > 106F/hr
> > > 2250
> > > 5 min hold
> > >
> > > I detail these programs even though we have been using them with
> success
> > > for about 5 years or more. Our electrician says everything is okay. I
> would
> > > almost feel better if all 3 did not work, but I am particularly baffled
> > > that one does and two do not. Worse still #1 and #2 (the one that
> works)
> > > are on seperate breakers but on the same line. Kilns #3 and 4 are on
> > > seperate breakers and a different breaker box. If it was just one
> breaker
> > > box and not the other, but its not....
> > >
> > > We retained one old kilnw which I will hook up tomorrow to the
> > > relay/transformer box of Kiln # 3 to fire. This had been our old # 2
> kiln
> > > which was the only one we were firing the last month or so. To say the
> back
> > > log is stacking up is to put it mildly. Fortunately we have one kiln
> > > working which is just keeping the most upet customers at bay but we
> really
> > > don't know where to look.
> > >
> > > Open to any and all suggestions!
> > >
> > > The crux of the problem is that our set up was working fine and we
> started
> > > to have probelms and since our kilns were so old and heavily used we
> > > thought new kilns would solve them. Now with the same setup and new
> kilns
> > > we have the same problem which leads me to think electrical problem but
> our
> > > electrician keeps saying everything is okay. Do I get another
> electrician?
> > >
> > > I know you have talked with Donald at some point over the years and you
> and
> > > Michael have always been very helpful & patient even when it turned out
> to
> > > be something obvious we were overlooking. Now we just don't know what
> to
> > > do.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Eric Lidicker
> > >
> > >
> > > Donald Schnell Studio
> > > http://www.donaldschnell.com
> > > St John, U.S. Virgin Islands
> > >
> > >
> >
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