Earl Brunner on sun 10 dec 00
I really can't answer your question fully, however one consideration to
keep in mind is that American or Western Shino's are something different
than Japanese Shinos, much as Raku is not the same.
I guess what I'm suggesting is that whether or not Japanese potters trap
carbon on shino glazes intentionally or accidentally if at all may be
immaterial to the issue. The phenomenon that is the current trend in
Western shinos to Carbon trap (Malcolm Davis type carbon trap comes to
mind) I doubt is an attempt to "copy" a Japanese surface.
rickmahaffey wrote:
> Hello clayarters,
>
> I have never seen a carbon trapped shino while living or visiting
> Japan. I have never seen one in my travels visiting Antique shops and
> Antique shows (been doing that since I was about 5, 46 years ago).
>
> I am wondering if any of the list members who have been to Japan or who
> collect or have seen lots of Japanese pots have seen a carbon trap shino
> on a Japanese pot. I think it would be interesting to find out if
> anyone has seen one. The Nezumi or mouse gray shino comes from a iron
> slip I believe and is not a carbon trap glaze.
>
> Rick Mahaffey
> Tacoma Community College
> Tacoma, WA USA
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June Perry on sun 10 dec 00
Rick:
I saw orange/red shinos in Japan, but never anything with that lovely black
carbon trapping.
If memory serves me, in the area where oribe is made, I saw a beautiful
orange/red shino tiled table. with a white design. They either white slipped
the design on a darker clay or had an iron slip on a white body and then
scraped away the iron to make the white design.
My Japan experience is limited to two three week visits in the 80's, so I
will be interested to read the other replies to you question.
Regards,
June
Louis Katz on sun 10 dec 00
Hi Rick,
Nope, but I have spent little time in Japan. I did however just look through my
books and found none also.
When I was going to the Kansas City Art Institute in the late seventies and
Ferguson was big into Wertz Shino and Wertz Carbon Trap, These were two separate
glazes and got very different effects. We had numerous recipes for both these
glaze names and so things were a bit of a mess, but if you wanted orange and white
you used one recipe and if you wanted trapping you used another. We also took the
Shino recipe and sprayed soda ash, wood, ash, or Albany slip on it. We learned
this from Ferguson, course he may have gottern it from a student. Waiting for cone
ten.
Louis
rickmahaffey wrote:
> Hello clayarters,
>
> I have never seen a carbon trapped shino while living or visiting
> Japan.
rickmahaffey on sun 10 dec 00
Hello clayarters,
I have never seen a carbon trapped shino while living or visiting
Japan. I have never seen one in my travels visiting Antique shops and
Antique shows (been doing that since I was about 5, 46 years ago).
I am wondering if any of the list members who have been to Japan or who
collect or have seen lots of Japanese pots have seen a carbon trap shino
on a Japanese pot. I think it would be interesting to find out if
anyone has seen one. The Nezumi or mouse gray shino comes from a iron
slip I believe and is not a carbon trap glaze.
Rick Mahaffey
Tacoma Community College
Tacoma, WA USA
Wesley C. Rolley on mon 11 dec 00
I am not an expert on shino glazes, but really appreciate those I have
seen. I was particulary struck with the Shino pots of Osamu Suzuki that I
saw in the Modern Masters of Ceramics exhibit that I saw in Tokyo several
years ago. More recently, my wife returned to Japan and brought me a
catalogue of an exhibition that she saw of the work of Tokuro Kato. I
mention this because there is a very wide range of results in his Shino tea
bowls. They range from very white with no red iron effect at all to some
with very dark red/brown splashes under the white, to some that are very
dark with more black areas (at least in the catalogue photos) than white.
One (p. 35 in the catalogue) shows significant areas of grey / black under
or in the otherwise frothy white glaze.
Not sure if this can be called carbon trapping or not... I surely can not
match any of it in my electric. Use of the gas/electric hybrid would not
be aprovable under local fire code, though the fire department told me that
they never inspect residences.
Wes Rolley
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if you are very good at it, well that's a bonus." -- Henry Moore
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Lee Love on tue 12 dec 00
> rickmahaffey wrote:
>
> > Hello clayarters,
> >
> > I have never seen a carbon trapped shino while living or visiting
> > Japan.
Me neither. We should also remember, that the modern shino in
Japan is a rediscovered technique.
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