Philip Poburka on thu 14 dec 00
Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
Does it tend to have any noted effects with Potters?
I mean, in an incidental way?
'Working' with it?
....I mean...not as a 'perscription'...(per se)..but as something one
'works-with'...O! - nevermind!
....but...well, does it? 'Have' any noted effect?
....on 'Potters'?
Phil
lvnev
------Original Message------
From: Charles Moore
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Sent: December 14, 2000 9:47:13 PM GMT
Subject: Re: Lithium questions
Diane,
Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
spodumene."
Hope this helps.
Charles Moore
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane G. Echlin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
Subject: Lithium questions
> Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> from the supplier?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> would be nice, too!)
>
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Diane G. Echlin on thu 14 dec 00
Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
from the supplier?
Thanks in advance!
Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
would be nice, too!)
Louis Katz on thu 14 dec 00
Nope, I don't think, not at five percent. Lithium Carb is light so you get a lot
of moles of lithium oxide in you glaze, for a small weight. It has a big effect in
small quantities.
Louis
"Diane G. Echlin" wrote:
> Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> from the supplier?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> would be nice, too!)
>
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Charles Moore on thu 14 dec 00
Diane,
Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
spodumene."
Hope this helps.
Charles Moore
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane G. Echlin"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
Subject: Lithium questions
> Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> from the supplier?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> would be nice, too!)
>
>
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Diane G. Echlin on fri 15 dec 00
Thanks to all who have replied to my ??? with help....I'm going to wait
for the supplier to ship, as really, a few days won't kill me.
Blonde: it isn't just a hair color, it's a way of life!
Diane in CT
Charles Moore wrote:
>
> Diane,
>
> Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
> item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
> lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
> spodumene."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charles Moore
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diane G. Echlin"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
> Subject: Lithium questions
>
> > Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> > started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> > calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> > Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> > of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> > out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> > from the supplier?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> > calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> > would be nice, too!)
> >
> >
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Lana Reeves on fri 15 dec 00
Lithium is used in treating bipolar disorder [manic-depression]. It is most
effective in controlling the manic pahase of the disorder. The effective
theraputic dose is very close to the toxic dose, the patient needs careful
monitoring. My guess is that a person taking lithium should exercise extra
care in handling lithium in any form in the studio. But then, we read
Clayart, we're all super careful, right? :o)
Lana in Somerville, MA
kilnkat@rcn.com
From: "Philip Poburka"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lithium questions
> Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
> 'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
>
> Does it tend to have any noted effects with Potters?
>
> I mean, in an incidental way?
>
> 'Working' with it?
>
> ...I mean...not as a 'perscription'...(per se)..but as something one
> 'works-with'...O! - nevermind!
> ...but...well, does it? 'Have' any noted effect?
> ...on 'Potters'?
>
>
> Phil
> lvnev
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Charles Moore
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: December 14, 2000 9:47:13 PM GMT
> Subject: Re: Lithium questions
>
>
> Diane,
>
> Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
> item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
> lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
> spodumene."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charles Moore
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diane G. Echlin"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
> Subject: Lithium questions
>
>
> > Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> > started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> > calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> > Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> > of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> > out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> > from the supplier?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> > calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> > would be nice, too!)
> >
> >
>
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Kat Fode on fri 15 dec 00
Philip:
Lithium-carbonate is prescribes for manic-depression, etc.... in doses high enough
to harm
I guess "healthy" people. I am guessing it helps. However if you use Lithium in
your studio it
can cause birth defects, and other disorders (if you are not careful). It is
important that your
glaze is not leaching lithium either, especially if someone is already on a lithium
prescription,
it could be quite dangerous.
So I have heard.
Kat
kat@digitalfire.com
Philip Poburka wrote:
> Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
> 'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
>
> Does it tend to have any noted effects with Potters?
>
> I mean, in an incidental way?
>
> 'Working' with it?
>
> ..I mean...not as a 'perscription'...(per se)..but as something one
> 'works-with'...O! - nevermind!
> ..but...well, does it? 'Have' any noted effect?
> ..on 'Potters'?
>
> Phil
> lvnev
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Charles Moore
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: December 14, 2000 9:47:13 PM GMT
> Subject: Re: Lithium questions
>
> Diane,
>
> Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
> item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
> lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
> spodumene."
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charles Moore
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diane G. Echlin"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
> Subject: Lithium questions
>
> > Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> > started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> > calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> > Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> > of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> > out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> > from the supplier?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> > calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> > would be nice, too!)
> >
> >
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Daniel Foscarini on fri 15 dec 00
Sorry just have to, I really try, honest, But cann't.
Lithium in the glaze should give the pot a calm look.
LOL
Dan
>From: Philip Poburka
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Lithium questions
>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:55:20 -0500
>
>Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
>'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
>
>Does it tend to have any noted effects with Potters?
>
>I mean, in an incidental way?
>
>'Working' with it?
>
>...I mean...not as a 'perscription'...(per se)..but as something one
>'works-with'...O! - nevermind!
>...but...well, does it? 'Have' any noted effect?
>...on 'Potters'?
>
>
>Phil
>lvnev
>
>
>------Original Message------
>From: Charles Moore
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Sent: December 14, 2000 9:47:13 PM GMT
>Subject: Re: Lithium questions
>
>
>Diane,
>
>Harry Fraser's "Glazes for the Crft Potter" (New Edition) says under the
>item "Lithium Oxide": "It [lithium oxide] can be introduced in the form of
>lithium carbonate (LiCO3) or as the minerals petalite, lepidolite or
>spodumene."
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Charles Moore
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Diane G. Echlin"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:02 AM
>Subject: Lithium questions
>
>
> > Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> > started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> > calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> > Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> > of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> > out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> > from the supplier?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Diane in CT, hoping Santa brings the Hamer & Hamer book and the glaze
> > calc program she begged for for Christmas! (and a couple Bison tools
> > would be nice, too!)
> >
> >
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ferenc jakab on sun 17 dec 00
> Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
> 'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
>
Phil,
Lithium carbonate is prescribed for Bi-Polar Affective Mood Disorder (Manic
Depression). I take 250 mg per day which is considered to be way below the
"Therapeutic" level, but I am "exquisitely" sensitive to psychotropic drugs
and it works for me. I know from experience what happens when I stop. At
this level the lithium hardly shows in my blood tests. The symptoms of
toxicity are so obvious (Trembles, lack of control of hand functions, i.e.
coordination, and needing to pee a lot) that you get plenty of warning
before you are in serious trouble. I seriously doubt that the leachates from
glazes would have any serious effects on the user of such ware.
But there are those more expert than I in this field here.
Feri.
Edouard Bastarache on sun 17 dec 00
RIGHT ON FERI !!!
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
Irr=E9ductible Qu=E9becois
Sorel-Tracy
Dans / In "La Belle Province"
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----- Message d'origine -----
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Objet : Re: Lithium questions
> > Is not 'Lithium-carbonate' prescribed for the alloying of (so called)
> > 'Manic-depressive-disorders' or kindred 'complaints'?
> >
> Phil,
> Lithium carbonate is prescribed for Bi-Polar Affective Mood Disorder
(Manic
> Depression). I take 250 mg per day which is considered to be way below =
the
> "Therapeutic" level, but I am "exquisitely" sensitive to psychotropic
drugs
> and it works for me. I know from experience what happens when I stop. A=
t
> this level the lithium hardly shows in my blood tests. The symptoms of
> toxicity are so obvious (Trembles, lack of control of hand functions, i=
..e.
> coordination, and needing to pee a lot) that you get plenty of warning
> before you are in serious trouble. I seriously doubt that the leachates
from
> glazes would have any serious effects on the user of such ware.
> But there are those more expert than I in this field here.
> Feri.
>
>
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Ron Roy on sun 17 dec 00
I'm sure I am too late with this but - soda ash would be an appropriate sub
but it's way more soluble than lith Carb. Like completely - but it will
provide a similar flux to the melt - to replace 5 lthium Carb you would
need 7 Soda ash.
Remember - the soda ash will deflock your glaze and the soluble soda will
travel to the edges of your ware as it dries - probably a bad idea but my
mind says - this may be worth a try.
Probably not worth trying to store any glaze - the soda ash is going to
crytalize out if given a chance - the colder your glaze storage area the
faster it will turn to crystal. Ware rubber gloves - soda is alkaline and
can attack your skin.
RR
>Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
>started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
>calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
>Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
>of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
>out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
>from the supplier?
Ron Roy
93 Pegasus Trail
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Ontario, Canada
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Diane G. Echlin on mon 18 dec 00
Thanks for the suggestion, Ron. I decided to be patient, and my lithium
should arrive by UPS today---god it's hard to wait!
Besides, a soluble solution probably wouldn't be a good idea for the
reasons you suggested--I made a 10K gram batch.
Happy holidays!
Diane in CT
Ron Roy wrote:
>
> I'm sure I am too late with this but - soda ash would be an appropriate sub
> but it's way more soluble than lith Carb. Like completely - but it will
> provide a similar flux to the melt - to replace 5 lthium Carb you would
> need 7 Soda ash.
>
> Remember - the soda ash will deflock your glaze and the soluble soda will
> travel to the edges of your ware as it dries - probably a bad idea but my
> mind says - this may be worth a try.
>
> Probably not worth trying to store any glaze - the soda ash is going to
> crytalize out if given a chance - the colder your glaze storage area the
> faster it will turn to crystal. Ware rubber gloves - soda is alkaline and
> can attack your skin.
>
> RR
>
> >Okay, didn't make sure I had enough of everything I needed before I
> >started mixing my glazes today. I have a glaze (Falls Creek Shino) that
> >calls for approximately 5% lithium carb, which I found I do not have.
> >Looked in the archive and found that spodumene and petalite are sources
> >of lithium, but not necessarily substitutions. Is there anything common
> >out there I can use as a sub while I wait for my lithium to be shipped
> >from the supplier?
>
> Ron Roy
> 93 Pegasus Trail
> Scarborough
> Ontario, Canada
> M1G 3N8
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> Fax 416-438-7849
>
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