Gretchen Woodman on wed 27 dec 00
Dear Will Edwards,
I am an avid reader "prowler" on Clayart most of
the time since I am pretty new to the clay and glaze
field and I am thankful that you all are here. I have
learned so much by reading Clayart. I am fascinated
by all the possibilities! Now, pardon me for my
inexperience, but upon reading your recipes for
Williams 1.2.3.4. Matte versions #2 and #3, what does
+MgO and Al2O3 mean? Do you add some amount of it to
the following recipe? This is probably obvious to
everyone else so forgive me.
Thank you in advance.
Sincerely, Gretchen Woodman
--- will edwards wrote:
> Hello,
> I had revealed a glaze I wrote and recieved a
> private reply almost as fast in
> return on this being a glaze someone else wrote. Now
> of course a base can be
> copied I am certain but the first thing about
> archiving is looking in it to
> see if we are in tune with the message. I couldn't
> find any reference to any
> glaze that is the same as the one I posted so I will
> post this as mine.
> I wrote it specifically for me and looked for
> nothing other than simplicity as
> I do with many I write. But I also chose to put it
> out in the public for
> others to inspect and share. It is always my first
> choice to share with the
> group when I may make a discovery or use my Alchemy
> minded ways regarding
> working with chemistry or in my case alchemy. (A
> magical process)
> Now why would anyone want to challenge this without
> copying the archived
> information or providing a name to whom this glaze
> base might have belonged
> to? (Its all mine, All mine I say!)
> "I am grinning like mad!? Anyways- Yes, I do admit
> they are so many out there
> we all can be found guilty of tripping over each
> other but lets keep things in
> perspective so we can shed light on some new
> infomation prior to prowling for
> a fuss. (Getting Gerstley out of our glazes)
> Below (MY) glaze are some additional glazes that are
> close only in number but
> not specific and I award them their full title and
> name for such work!!!!
> Cheer's... But let me get a little achemy in once in
> awhile prior to the
> gladiator challenge. Laying aside the sillyness,
> this one does show
> promise!!!
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Base Glossy ^6
>
>
> Ferro Frit 3134 40.00
>
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Flint ( Quartz Silica ) 20.00
> Wollastonite 10.00
>
> I have used these oxides as colorants.
> 1. 4% Rutile and 2.5% Cobalt Oxide
> 2. 5% Rutile and 3% SRIO
> 3. 4% Illmenite Powder and 2% Granular Illmenite and
> 3% RIO
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #2 (Decorative)
> +Mgo and -AL203 in this one
>
> Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Wollastonite 20.00
> Talc 10.00
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #3 (Decorative)
> +Al203 and -MgO adds much more clay to the bucket as
> if it needs it.
>
> Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Wollastonite 20.00
> Ball Clay 10.00 * I use NC4
>
> 3 full days of soaking in white vinegar (1.2.3.4.
> Glossy glaze only) did
> nothing to the glaze with cobalt in it, but I don't
> advertise this as a
> dinner-ware safe glaze just yet. Have it tested in
> your own conditions. I
> would first submit it for boron content and add
> additons of copper @ 3%
> -5%..(Something is bound to eat this glaze up other
> than my computer.) Also
> the Mattes are too new for me to even speculate over
> right now so how about
> helping me by testing them and seeing where we can
> take them to?
>
>
> (Theirs )
> Source: Chris Clarke (thanks Chris!) I ran it and
> was proud to see another
> good glaze thats simple. (I didn't test)
> 40 Custer spar
> 30 Silica
> 20 Whiting
> 10 Kaolin
> and then we have Opal Blue at 50.25.25. and then
> Huddlestons and others but
> none like the one above with my name. If so, I owe
> someone an apology so send
> me their name. In no way would I take credit for
> anything that was not worked
> for. Over 20 years in the arts/chemical industry
> would be wasted otherwise.
>
> William Edwards
>
>
>
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Earl Brunner on wed 27 dec 00
You are using a basic 4,3,2,1 formula, this is as you say simplicity
itself, and as such there are no doubt tons of variations of it out
there and probably some that actually match yours near enough to be
identical.
If you don't take credit for the glaze, I don't know who you would give
credit to, 4,3,2,1 glazes have been around along time.
The naming of glazes it kind of a mess globally anyway. I had a scrap
glaze in the studio and someone labeled the bucket "seafoam" and seafoam
it remained. Have you ever noticed on the list here, someone will
occasionally write in and say, "I lost the recipe for my favorite
(insert descriptor here) glaze, does anyone have the recipe for the
glaze called Shiny Black?"
I could take at least 100 formulas off my shelf for "shiny black". What
are the odds that one of them is the one they are looking for?
Don't sweat it. Call it anything you like.
will edwards wrote:
> Hello,
> I had revealed a glaze I wrote and recieved a private reply almost as fast in
> return on this being a glaze someone else wrote. Now of course a base can be
> copied I am certain but the first thing about archiving is looking in it to
> see if we are in tune with the message. I couldn't find any reference to any
> glaze that is the same as the one I posted so I will post this as mine.
> I wrote it specifically for me and looked for nothing other than simplicity as
> I do with many I write. But I also chose to put it out in the public for
> others to inspect and share. It is always my first choice to share with the
> group when I may make a discovery or use my Alchemy minded ways regarding
> working with chemistry or in my case alchemy. (A magical process)
> Now why would anyone want to challenge this without copying the archived
> information or providing a name to whom this glaze base might have belonged
> to? (Its all mine, All mine I say!)
> "I am grinning like mad!? Anyways- Yes, I do admit they are so many out there
> we all can be found guilty of tripping over each other but lets keep things in
> perspective so we can shed light on some new infomation prior to prowling for
> a fuss. (Getting Gerstley out of our glazes)
> Below (MY) glaze are some additional glazes that are close only in number but
> not specific and I award them their full title and name for such work!!!!
> Cheer's... But let me get a little achemy in once in awhile prior to the
> gladiator challenge. Laying aside the sillyness, this one does show
> promise!!!
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Base Glossy ^6
>
> Ferro Frit 3134 40.00
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Flint ( Quartz Silica ) 20.00
> Wollastonite 10.00
>
> I have used these oxides as colorants.
> 1. 4% Rutile and 2.5% Cobalt Oxide
> 2. 5% Rutile and 3% SRIO
> 3. 4% Illmenite Powder and 2% Granular Illmenite and 3% RIO
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #2 (Decorative)
> +Mgo and -AL203 in this one
>
> Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Wollastonite 20.00
> Talc 10.00
>
> William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #3 (Decorative)
> +Al203 and -MgO adds much more clay to the bucket as if it needs it.
>
> Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
> Epk Kaolin 30.00
> Wollastonite 20.00
> Ball Clay 10.00 * I use NC4
>
> 3 full days of soaking in white vinegar (1.2.3.4. Glossy glaze only) did
> nothing to the glaze with cobalt in it, but I don't advertise this as a
> dinner-ware safe glaze just yet. Have it tested in your own conditions. I
> would first submit it for boron content and add additons of copper @ 3%
> -5%..(Something is bound to eat this glaze up other than my computer.) Also
> the Mattes are too new for me to even speculate over right now so how about
> helping me by testing them and seeing where we can take them to?
>
>
> (Theirs )
> Source: Chris Clarke (thanks Chris!) I ran it and was proud to see another
> good glaze thats simple. (I didn't test)
> 40 Custer spar
> 30 Silica
> 20 Whiting
> 10 Kaolin
> and then we have Opal Blue at 50.25.25. and then Huddlestons and others but
> none like the one above with my name. If so, I owe someone an apology so send
> me their name. In no way would I take credit for anything that was not worked
> for. Over 20 years in the arts/chemical industry would be wasted otherwise.
>
> William Edwards
>
>
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will edwards on wed 27 dec 00
Hello,
I had revealed a glaze I wrote and recieved a private reply almost as fas=
t in
return on this being a glaze someone else wrote. Now of course a base can=
be
copied I am certain but the first thing about archiving is looking in it =
to
see if we are in tune with the message. I couldn't find any reference to =
any
glaze that is the same as the one I posted so I will post this as mine.
I wrote it specifically for me and looked for nothing other than simplici=
ty as
I do with many I write. But I also chose to put it out in the public for
others to inspect and share. It is always my first choice to share with t=
he
group when I may make a discovery or use my Alchemy minded ways regarding=
working with chemistry or in my case alchemy. (A magical process)
Now why would anyone want to challenge this without copying the archived
information or providing a name to whom this glaze base might have belong=
ed
to? (Its all mine, All mine I say!)
"I am grinning like mad!? Anyways- Yes, I do admit they are so many out t=
here
we all can be found guilty of tripping over each other but lets keep thin=
gs in
perspective so we can shed light on some new infomation prior to prowling=
for
a fuss. (Getting Gerstley out of our glazes)
Below (MY) glaze are some additional glazes that are close only in number=
but
not specific and I award them their full title and name for such work!!!!=
Cheer's... But let me get a little achemy in once in awhile prior to the
gladiator challenge. Laying aside the sillyness, this one does show
promise!!!
William's 1.2.3.4. Base Glossy ^6 =
Ferro Frit 3134 40.00 =
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Flint ( Quartz Silica ) 20.00
Wollastonite 10.00
I have used these oxides as colorants.
1. 4% Rutile and 2.5% Cobalt Oxide
2. 5% Rutile and 3% SRIO
3. 4% Illmenite Powder and 2% Granular Illmenite and 3% RIO
William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #2 (Decorative)
+Mgo and -AL203 in this one
Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Wollastonite 20.00
Talc 10.00 =
William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #3 (Decorative) =
+Al203 and -MgO adds much more clay to the bucket as if it needs it.
Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Wollastonite 20.00
Ball Clay 10.00 * I use NC4 =
3 full days of soaking in white vinegar (1.2.3.4. Glossy glaze only) did=
nothing to the glaze with cobalt in it, but I don't advertise this as a
dinner-ware safe glaze just yet. Have it tested in your own conditions. I=
would first submit it for boron content and add additons of copper @ 3%
-5%..(Something is bound to eat this glaze up other than my computer.) Al=
so
the Mattes are too new for me to even speculate over right now so how abo=
ut
helping me by testing them and seeing where we can take them to?
(Theirs )
Source: Chris Clarke (thanks Chris!) I ran it and was proud to see anoth=
er
good glaze thats simple. (I didn't test)
40 Custer spar =
30 Silica =
20 Whiting =
10 Kaolin =
and then we have Opal Blue at 50.25.25. and then Huddlestons and others b=
ut
none like the one above with my name. If so, I owe someone an apology so =
send
me their name. In no way would I take credit for anything that was not wo=
rked
for. Over 20 years in the arts/chemical industry would be wasted otherwis=
e.
William Edwards
____________________________________________________________________
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D=
1
iandol on thu 28 dec 00
Dear Will Edwards,
I can understand you chagrin on being taken to task over the origins of =
a particular mixture which has the simple numbers 4,3,2,1. This is after =
all what many people will get when they start from a standard square =
blend 6*6 configuration where there are eight possible variations of =
those proportions using the list of materials which are available to us.
It would be an almost impossible task to check every instance of =
materials being used from this system. Those people who prefer to do =
their own practical research will certainly make the same mixtures that =
you have if they select the same starting materials. Each is an =
independent discovery and should be recognised as such. WE are not in =
the world of industrial or scientific invention where precedents are =
registered as patents or published in Nature.
I am sure the people who choose to use recipes you post to Clayart will =
acknowledge their origin.
Best wishes for a healthy and prosperous New Year.
Ivor
Cantello Studios on thu 28 dec 00
Hi Will Chris hear this glaze must work nicely my only question is why so
much frit? This seems to be the easy way out of the Gerstley Borate thing
and a very costly one at that. I think one could cut the frit in half add
most any spar like G200 and save a cool 10 bucks or more on this glaze. The
last time I priced 3134 I think it cost about 100 bucks for 50lb. That's
over my budget in the amounts your using. Thoughts from Cantellostudio.com
soon to be?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of will edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:14 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: New Glaze, and no Gerstley ^6
Hello,
I had revealed a glaze I wrote and recieved a private reply almost as fast
in
return on this being a glaze someone else wrote. Now of course a base can be
copied I am certain but the first thing about archiving is looking in it to
see if we are in tune with the message. I couldn't find any reference to any
glaze that is the same as the one I posted so I will post this as mine.
I wrote it specifically for me and looked for nothing other than simplicity
as
I do with many I write. But I also chose to put it out in the public for
others to inspect and share. It is always my first choice to share with the
group when I may make a discovery or use my Alchemy minded ways regarding
working with chemistry or in my case alchemy. (A magical process)
Now why would anyone want to challenge this without copying the archived
information or providing a name to whom this glaze base might have belonged
to? (Its all mine, All mine I say!)
"I am grinning like mad!? Anyways- Yes, I do admit they are so many out
there
we all can be found guilty of tripping over each other but lets keep things
in
perspective so we can shed light on some new infomation prior to prowling
for
a fuss. (Getting Gerstley out of our glazes)
Below (MY) glaze are some additional glazes that are close only in number
but
not specific and I award them their full title and name for such work!!!!
Cheer's... But let me get a little achemy in once in awhile prior to the
gladiator challenge. Laying aside the sillyness, this one does show
promise!!!
William's 1.2.3.4. Base Glossy ^6
Ferro Frit 3134 40.00
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Flint ( Quartz Silica ) 20.00
Wollastonite 10.00
I have used these oxides as colorants.
1. 4% Rutile and 2.5% Cobalt Oxide
2. 5% Rutile and 3% SRIO
3. 4% Illmenite Powder and 2% Granular Illmenite and 3% RIO
William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #2 (Decorative)
+Mgo and -AL203 in this one
Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Wollastonite 20.00
Talc 10.00
William's 1.2.3.4. Matte Version #3 (Decorative)
+Al203 and -MgO adds much more clay to the bucket as if it needs it.
Ferro Frit 3124 40.00
Epk Kaolin 30.00
Wollastonite 20.00
Ball Clay 10.00 * I use NC4
3 full days of soaking in white vinegar (1.2.3.4. Glossy glaze only) did
nothing to the glaze with cobalt in it, but I don't advertise this as a
dinner-ware safe glaze just yet. Have it tested in your own conditions. I
would first submit it for boron content and add additons of copper @ 3%
-5%..(Something is bound to eat this glaze up other than my computer.) Also
the Mattes are too new for me to even speculate over right now so how about
helping me by testing them and seeing where we can take them to?
(Theirs )
Source: Chris Clarke (thanks Chris!) I ran it and was proud to see another
good glaze thats simple. (I didn't test)
40 Custer spar
30 Silica
20 Whiting
10 Kaolin
and then we have Opal Blue at 50.25.25. and then Huddlestons and others but
none like the one above with my name. If so, I owe someone an apology so
send
me their name. In no way would I take credit for anything that was not
worked
for. Over 20 years in the arts/chemical industry would be wasted otherwise.
William Edwards
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Cindy Strnad on thu 28 dec 00
Hi, Chris.
Your concerns about the cost of Frit 3134 are understandable. I just ordered
200 pounds of this, and am discouraged that my supplier can only send me 100
right now. Reason being that I have a shipment of 5000 pounds of clay coming
in, and the extra 1000 pounds comes free (each pallet holds 2000 lbs) if
it's shipped at the same time.
The thing about materials (and even about tools) in pottery is that they're
definitely at the small end of your costs, whatever they cost. That 3134 is
the vital ingredient in my top selling glaze, and believe me, it pays for
itself again and again and again. This glaze calls for 50% 3134. I go
through a lot of it. I keep a 50 gallon trash can full of it. If you're
doing pottery as a hobby, I can see your point, maybe--the 3134 will last
you a long time that way, and it does make a beautiful glaze. However, if
you're doing it professionally, you just have to bite the bullet and
purchase the materials you need.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
Earl Brunner on thu 28 dec 00
Cindy has a good point here, and it applies to other chemicals as well.
Opacifiers for example. Zirconium is a much cheaper opacifier than
tin. But sometimes you get what you pay for. IF you have a glaze
formula that calls for tin as the opacifier, you can substitute another
cheaper opacifier, but do you get the results? Tin does other things
besides just opacify.
Even if a 5 gallon batch of glaze ends up costing 100 to 200 dollars
(which may seem like a lot) it may not really be very much per pot and
if the glaze looks that much better with an expensive ingredient in it
than without, than it may well be worth the cost.
Cindy Strnad wrote:
> Hi, Chris.
>
> Your concerns about the cost of Frit 3134 are understandable. I just ordered
> 200 pounds of this, and am discouraged that my supplier can only send me 100
> right now. Reason being that I have a shipment of 5000 pounds of clay coming
> in, and the extra 1000 pounds comes free (each pallet holds 2000 lbs) if
> it's shipped at the same time.
>
> The thing about materials (and even about tools) in pottery is that they're
> definitely at the small end of your costs, whatever they cost. That 3134 is
> the vital ingredient in my top selling glaze, and believe me, it pays for
> itself again and again and again. This glaze calls for 50% 3134. I go
> through a lot of it. I keep a 50 gallon trash can full of it. If you're
> doing pottery as a hobby, I can see your point, maybe--the 3134 will last
> you a long time that way, and it does make a beautiful glaze. However, if
> you're doing it professionally, you just have to bite the bullet and
> purchase the materials you need.
>
> Cindy Strnad
> Earthen Vessels Pottery
> RR 1, Box 51
> Custer, SD 57730
> USA
> earthenv@gwtc.net
> http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
>
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