Diane Echlin on wed 31 jan 01
Had to laugh at the SOMbrero thing....this particular teacher says biSON. And
judging from the responses I have recieved both on and off list, I shouldn't expect
much from such a broad suvey course. Okay, I can deal with that. It's just that
I've been looking forward to taking art history for years, years(!) and I so wanted
it to match my romantic expectations so badly. The up[ side is that the second
semester of the course has several sections and teachers, so I'll ask around about
the others to see if I can get a better match for Part II.
Diane in Connecticut, who knows better than to correct a teacher in public ;-)
Dannon Rhudy wrote:
> ..........At 07:19 AM 01/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> >wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
> >glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
> >a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> >oven"? .....
>
> I'm amazed that even THAT much explanation was given. I've never had
> an art history class where the professor knew anything whatever about
> ceramics. To be fair, they have gone through programs where nothing
> is taught about ceramics, so their opportunities to know are limited, if
> they've
> not bothered to find out on their own.
>
> I know that there are art history classes that do deal with ceramics, at
> least on some level. But for the most part ceramics is dealt with in CRAFT
> history courses, or courses specifically aimed at ceramics. There are some,
> by the way.
>
> Don't gnash your teeth over what the professor says. You can correct
> that particular ignorance if you like by writing a brief explanation of what
> the facts of the matter are and giving it to the professor. You might want
> to wait until AFTER grades are posted.....depends on the person you're
> dealing with. They might want to know. They might not want to know.
> They might REALLY not want to know that you know and they don't. More
> positively, you could request to do your term paper on ceramics, and
> slide corrections in that way.
>
> The last time I "corrected" a teacher in public was in fourth grade. She
> was telling us that a Mexican hat was a "SOM-bree-o". I actually thought
> that she'd WANT to know that the word was "somBRERo". I was wrong.
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
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vince pitelka on wed 31 jan 01
> I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
> glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
> a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
> explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
> realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
> Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
> is taught?
Diane -
Yes, it is absolutely normal. After having worked so hard to earn a
doctorate, art historians are not about to go to the studio artists for
advice on technical matters. Misconceptions about technical issues
proliferated by art historians are legendary (not among the art historians,
however). There certainly are those who do delve deeply into technical
matters, like the guy who wrote "Painted Attic Pottery," but frequently the
art historian's knowledge of technical matters in their own areas of
specialization is abysmal. That accounts for serious inconsistencies, such
as when egyptologists refer to that blue-green glaze on ancient Egyptian
wares as "faience." It ain't faience by any remote stretch of the term, but
we went through that ad nauseum a few months ago.
And actually, "covered with a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with
water and baked in an oven" isn't really such a bad description at all.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Snail Scott on wed 31 jan 01
At 07:19 AM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
the prof explains the blue
>glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
>a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
>oven"? Ugh. Is this really the way art history
>is taught?
>Diane in CT
>
YES! I have had a few art history profs who did agree,
when pressed, that technique CAN have an effect on
style and form, and should be considered as a factor.
That's still not the way it's taught, though. There is
a definite 'ivory-tower' approach in art history which
prefers to see all stylistic expressions purely as a
response to social or philosophical issues. This works
moderately well for painting, where the difference between
medieval tempera binders and Renaissance oils is a
considered to be about the biggest technical change
around. But, this approach breaks down sharply when other
media, such as clay, metal, wood, etc, are considered.
I've done graduate-level work in art history, and have
been warned well-meaning professors that I "may be on to
something" when I wanted to research the effect of
technical changes on form and aesthetics, but I shouldn't
put too much effort into it, since it's "not how it's
generally done", and wouldn't be taken seriously.
Researching the 'minor arts' is already the bush leagues
of art history. (Technique only matters to anthropologists,
didn't you know?)
-Snail
Marcia Selsor on wed 31 jan 01
This is bullshit! I am really tired of art historians saying "but I
don't know nothin' 'bout ceramics!" Then they'd better learn. I taught
Art History of World Ceramics in Uzbekistan and again at MSUB". Come on,
there is lots of info to teach it. They only need to be challenged in
order to force them to get with the right informaion. May I quote you
about the Ishtar Gate which I finally got to see in real life last
summer! I am on a panel at the Art museum here in town for their annual
auction. I don't want to grind the ax but I may have to!
Marcia
Diane Echlin wrote:
>
> I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
> glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
> a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
> explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
> realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
> Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
> is taught?
> Diane in CT
>
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Diane Echlin on wed 31 jan 01
I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
is taught?
Diane in CT
dayton j grant on wed 31 jan 01
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:19:57 -0500 Diane Echlin
writes:
> I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the
> blue
> glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered
> with
> a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
> explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag.
> I
> realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained
> Terra
> Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art
> history
> is taught?
> Diane in CT
>
>
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i have a really cool idea about how to explain art history from a
technical point of view starting from the firebow and going all the way
up to the current level of power production and distribution
i guess it would be in a movie format like hercules and zena or whatever
is the popular archeological action format these days i think it would be
a good way to teach the history of art while keeping the attention of
those with better things to do than remember things that dont seem to
clearly fit together
art history is full of sex, violence, heroes and drama of evry kind we
have to make a flick that really shows in detail how to smelt iron and
basic metals how to dig and bake pottery how they made shelters in the
desert forest etcetera and it will all be downplayed to some arbitrary
story line or maybe we coulod use the real accouts of history but its
just a thought anyway i would listen to anything anyone said about it
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Jeff Campana on wed 31 jan 01
I think the professor here was trying to generalize. Most of the students, I'm
willing to bet, are not ceramics majors, and would be perplexed by a complex,
clayart-style explanation. Luckily my Greek/Roman art history teacher this
semester has an emphysis in pottery. You need to remember that a survey needs to
be general. Also, the teacher isn't really wrong. That is a very general and
vague answer, but also correct. I find it hard to talk to non-ceramics people
about ceramics, and always end up over simplifying things.
Jeff
Diane Echlin wrote:
> I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
> glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
> a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
> explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
> realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
> Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
> is taught?
> Diane in CT
>
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Dannon Rhudy on wed 31 jan 01
...........At 07:19 AM 01/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
>wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
>glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
>a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
>oven"? .....
I'm amazed that even THAT much explanation was given. I've never had
an art history class where the professor knew anything whatever about
ceramics. To be fair, they have gone through programs where nothing
is taught about ceramics, so their opportunities to know are limited, if
they've
not bothered to find out on their own.
I know that there are art history classes that do deal with ceramics, at
least on some level. But for the most part ceramics is dealt with in CRAFT
history courses, or courses specifically aimed at ceramics. There are some,
by the way.
Don't gnash your teeth over what the professor says. You can correct
that particular ignorance if you like by writing a brief explanation of what
the facts of the matter are and giving it to the professor. You might want
to wait until AFTER grades are posted.....depends on the person you're
dealing with. They might want to know. They might not want to know.
They might REALLY not want to know that you know and they don't. More
positively, you could request to do your term paper on ceramics, and
slide corrections in that way.
The last time I "corrected" a teacher in public was in fourth grade. She
was telling us that a Mexican hat was a "SOM-bree-o". I actually thought
that she'd WANT to know that the word was "somBRERo". I was wrong.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Fabienne Micheline Cassman on wed 31 jan 01
>Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
>is taught?
>Diane in CT
I can't speak for art history, but here is my experience with classes in
general. The lower the level (typically, the more people in it) and the
more there is to cover by topics or historically, the more puerile will the
explanations be. Most of the time the professor is not to be blamed for
it; that's all s/he can squeeze in considering the amount of time s/he
has. Make note of the questions you have and after those "boring"
lectures, you can always ask a few questions and even why the simplistic
explanation.
If you can take graduate classes (e.g. student-at-large), go for those,
they are usually much more interesting by a million light years and much
less crowded. :) More expensive, too, yes; however, you get money's worth.
Cheers,
Fabienne
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Yes, I have learned from my mistakes...
I can reproduce them exactly.
Mary Lynch on thu 1 feb 01
I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
is taught?
Diane in CT
Dear Diane in CT,
Sadly, yes.
I got a master's in art history and returned to ceramics GLADLY. Most
professors had little, if any knowledge, of the processes used by the
artists or craftspeople that they discussed. Whether it was painting,
sculpture, ceramics, etc., few had ever actually MADE anything - they had
read plenty, but never done it themselves.
Coming from an art background where I had painted, pulled prints, done
casting and sculpting, throwing and handbuilding clay, shot and developed
photographs (at least one or two courses), I found this lack of hands-on
info/experience frustrating, to say the least.
While no one can know or do everything, I felt that my artmaking experiences
were invaluable in studying and understanding many aspects of art history. I
do not understand how people can teach well about something they've never
actually done - I guess the key word here is HISTORY, not art.
Maybe this is not so frustrating for someone who isn't drawn to artmaking -
but it was the primary reason I decided to return to the world of "hands-on"
rather than remain in the one where we just "read all about it."
For me, it was a like trying to teach people about cooking when the only
experience the teacher had was eating. Don't get me wrong - I learned plenty
and enjoyed lots of it, but it did leave somewhat of a bitter aftertaste!
Mary in TN
Karen Sullivan on thu 1 feb 01
So okay guys, I've listened to the discussion about
art history...............
First of all, I can appreciate that much of the
discussion is really about how different the
academic mind functions from the intuitive/
artistic thought process.
Art historians function to guide us in the value,
and relevance/ interpretation of art objects.
I think Art History is in large part an
appreciation of HISTORY...and context...
And to do an admirable job, one needs an
academic/linear/fact based relationship to
the world. All of which I admire for the
specific skills of art historians in placing
work and ideas within the framework of time/ and the
nature of the ideas and mindset that allowed
their creation.
So the making of art is another process
entirely...eh, what???
But I think it is important to consider the
range of issues that art historians discuss.
Context...the nature of the ideas....
Unless you are making a chip 'n dip, in
which case who cares about the political/historical/
social issues your are alluding to.
Or the pressing issues of the times in which
you inhabit. Although it is perhaps a potent
response you are making to the world my spending
your time making chip 'n dips...
I hope that the art historians
who discuss our times have the perception to be able
to respond and record our participation in the
human drama of history.
Perhaps, by being unfamiliar with process allows for
an objective response/evaluation of the object's ability
to communicate the idea without any consideration of
the material requirements of it's creation.
bamboo karen
Cindy Strnad on thu 1 feb 01
Diane signed her letter:
>>Diane in Connecticut, who knows better than to >>correct a teacher in
public ;-)
Really? Is that why some of my teachers didn't like me? But, honestly, some
of them need it so badly. . . wouldn't do it to anyone who wasn't an
arrogant ____, of course.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
Diane Echlin on thu 1 feb 01
I, like marcia (?) learned the hard way---I had the misfortune, however, to attempt
to correct the headmistress of the school. OUCH!
Cindy Strnad wrote:
> Diane signed her letter:
>
> >>Diane in Connecticut, who knows better than to >>correct a teacher in
> public ;-)
>
> Really? Is that why some of my teachers didn't like me? But, honestly, some
> of them need it so badly. . . wouldn't do it to anyone who wasn't an
> arrogant ____, of course.
>
> Cindy Strnad
> Earthen Vessels Pottery
> RR 1, Box 51
> Custer, SD 57730
> USA
> earthenv@gwtc.net
> http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
>
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Frank Gaydos on thu 1 feb 01
Please don't paint all Art Historians with a wide brush.
The Art Historians in my Art Department have all taken the basic ceramics
course and even ask me to provide clay for the students to make pinch pots
which I glaze fire for them every semester.
This is a great way to advertise our clay course and help the Historian with
a hands on experience.
Frank Gaydos
Community College of Philadelphia
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Subject: Re: Art History
> > I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
> > wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
> > glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
> > a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
> > oven"?
Jean Silverman on fri 2 feb 01
At 07:19 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I have suffered through three classses in my Art History course and
>wanted to ask a question: is it standard that the prof explains the blue
>glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
>a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
>oven"? A student asked how the color was achieved and this is the
>explaination given by the Yale-trained professor. I wanted to gag. I
>realize this is an introductory course, but REALLY! She explained Terra
>Sig on Roman pieces similarly. Ugh. Is this really the way art history
>is taught?
>Diane in CT
Dear Diane,
As a one-time classical archaeologist, the answer to your question in a
word is NO! Whoever this is seems exceptionally ignorant, even for an art
historian. Next time take an archaeology course. :-)
Most academics are unfamiliar with pottery techniques in detail,
but enough studies have been done on ancient firing techniques and
materials that they usually understand what glaze is, and classical
archaeologists are all (or damned well ought to be) familiar with Joseph
Noble's seminal "The Techniques of Painted Attic Pottery" and its
successors. Most books on antiquity (Greek, Roman, Near Eastern) these days
include at least minimally correct information.
Jean Silverman
Plum Tree Pottery
41 Neal Mill Rd.
Newmarket NH 03857
Diane Echlin on fri 2 feb 01
Karen, what a great crystallization of the issue! I've been discusssing my
experiences in this class with my sister (thinks most art is "wierd"!!!) and trying
to get to the bottom of my disappointment in this class. What I've determined is
that I had a completely erroneous preconception about what this class was. I was
thinking Art (with a capital A,) and it turns out to be History. So now that I
have realized my expectations were off base, I'm hoping I can slog through the
academic pursuit of learning the history, contexts, relevance issues that will come
up. So off I go to learn about context, not process.
And this is why I'm still renting studio space, even though I now spend less than 5
hours a week there---to keep that connection with the process!
Diane in CT
Karen Sullivan wrote:
> So okay guys, I've listened to the discussion about
> art history...............
>
> First of all, I can appreciate that much of the
> discussion is really about how different the
> academic mind functions from the intuitive/
> artistic thought process.
> Art historians function to guide us in the value,
> and relevance/ interpretation of art objects.
>
> I think Art History is in large part an
> appreciation of HISTORY...and context...
> And to do an admirable job, one needs an
> academic/linear/fact based relationship to
> the world. All of which I admire for the
> specific skills of art historians in placing
> work and ideas within the framework of time/ and the
> nature of the ideas and mindset that allowed
> their creation.
>
> So the making of art is another process
> entirely...eh, what???
> But I think it is important to consider the
> range of issues that art historians discuss.
> Context...the nature of the ideas....
>
> Unless you are making a chip 'n dip, in
> which case who cares about the political/historical/
> social issues your are alluding to.
> Or the pressing issues of the times in which
> you inhabit. Although it is perhaps a potent
> response you are making to the world my spending
> your time making chip 'n dips...
>
> I hope that the art historians
> who discuss our times have the perception to be able
> to respond and record our participation in the
> human drama of history.
> Perhaps, by being unfamiliar with process allows for
> an objective response/evaluation of the object's ability
> to communicate the idea without any consideration of
> the material requirements of it's creation.
>
> bamboo karen
>
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claymom on fri 2 feb 01
It's been too long. I can't remember what my art history teachers had to
say about the technical aspects of pottery. But while admitting in public
that I do watch Martha Stewart from time to time I must say that I often
cringe when I hear the so-called experts, usually antique dealers or
collectors, explain how various things were done. And, after reading the
discussions of Fiesta ware on this list some time back, I wanted to call in
and scream "No, no....don't do that!" when Martha recommended using all that
pretty Fiesta ware for a beautiful breakfast table setting. So it's not
just art history teachers who don't know what they're talking about. These
folks are on national TV daily!
ferenc jakab on sat 3 feb 01
With tongue firmly in cheek I offer the following deffinition:
Art Historian..
Too dumb to be a real historian, too little dexterity to be an artist.
As one of my lecturers once said, "Them that can does, them that can't talks
about it."
Feri.
Expecting the pigeons to flee the cat. (and other cliches!)
Snail Scott on sat 3 feb 01
At 05:57 PM 2/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
And, after reading the
>discussions of Fiesta ware on this list some time back, I wanted to call in
>and scream "No, no....don't do that!" when Martha recommended using all that
>pretty Fiesta ware for a beautiful breakfast table setting.
Fiesta Ware is being reissued, presumably
with modern glaze chemistry. Surely Martha
wouldn't want you to use the old stuff.
-Snail
Snail Scott on sat 3 feb 01
At 11:40 AM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:19 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
is it standard that the prof explains the blue
>>glazed bricks that cover the Gate of Ishtar as having been "covered with
>>a paste of finely ground up rocks mixed with water and baked in an
>>oven?
Although I would also be disappointed in such
a description, it occurs to me that: 1. This
is actually correct, in essence, and 2. This
is probably more than the rest of the class
knew about ceramics before!
-Snail
vince pitelka on sat 3 feb 01
I was one of the ones early in this thread who criticized art historians for
generally having little or no understanding of important technical issues.
Others have pointed out writings or lectures on art history rarely include
much coverage of fine craft. The reality is that art historians do cover
craft whenever the historical information is best supplied by craft
traditions. That is the case at various times and places through history,
including ancient Sumerian vessels and furniture, Babylonian tile work,
Egyptian slip-decorated pottery, alkalline-glazed canoptic jars, and
Egyptian paste amulets, Minoan earthenware jars, Greek vases, and Islamic
pottery and tile work. All of that work provides valuable pictorial or
textual information adding to the historical record, so the art historians
pay attention to it.
One place where American art historians often seriously miss the mark is in
coverage of Eastern cultures, where they usually give craft as little
attention as they do in covering Western art, when in fact fine craft has
always occupied a lofty position in the fine arts of the East.
That said, some of my most exciting educational experiences have been in art
history classes, and I would not trade them for anything. Get an art
historian lecturing on their area of expertise, and you usually have a
really impassioned, articulate delivery. They have their short comings, but
let's not make unwarranted rude generalizations about art historians in
general.
I am not an art historian, but I taught art history for three years at NDSU
in Fargo. It was a great gauntlet to run, and I came out far the better for
it. The primary advantage I had was a lack of specialization in art
history, and a fascination for every time and place in art history. And of
course I paid plenty of attention to fine craft, and was even able to toss
in a little about technique without inserting foot in mouth.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
WHew536674@CS.COM on sat 3 feb 01
Feri,
You forgot the last line. "Them that can't do, talks about it, them that
can't talk about it writes books. (Just kidding :>)
Joyce A
Gail Dapogny on sun 4 feb 01
Dear Joyce,
I truly hope that you are kidding. It's a terrible and unfair last line
just as is the original Shaw last line that maligns teachers.
---Gail
>Feri,
>You forgot the last line. "Them that can't do, talks about it, them that
>can't talk about it writes books. (Just kidding :>)
>Joyce A
Gail Dapogny
1154 Olden Road
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ferenc jakab on mon 5 feb 01
> Feri,
> You forgot the last line. "Them that can't do, talks about it, them that
> can't talk about it writes books. (Just kidding :>)
> Joyce A
Joyce A,
I was mindful of all the extremely good doers on clayart who have written
books. And to be fair I once met an art historian who was an extremely
talented print maker. Art history was her third PhD.
Feri
Eleanora Eden on tue 6 feb 01
I majored in Design at UC Berkeley way back when and the Design History
courses were taught just like Art History courses but the teachers knew
their stuff. I don't know if that option is available but you could look
into it.
Eleanora
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Eleanora Eden 802 869-2003
Paradise Hill eeden@vermntel.net
Bellows Falls, VT 05101 www.eleanoraeden.com
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