Dennis Mummert on sat 17 feb 01
Note to all considering tile presses. Although the tool offered by ceramics
supply houses is almost exactly right for limited run tile pressing, a
vastly cheaper alternative is available. An ordinary tool room bearing
press is adequate for smaller tiles (and larger ones if pre-rammed with a
rubber mallet). They used to be a bit higher priced than they cost now, but
a 3 ton arbor press can be had for $100 plus shipping. Two ton press is
slightly more than 50, and a one ton press for slightly more than 30. The
reason for the vague figures is, I haven't looked at the tools catalog for a
while. Harbor Freight and Grizzly tools both carry these. Harbor features
a lot of chinese stuff, and as such tends to lower quality items. (just an
observation - not a condemnation of the source). Grizzly actually does have
better stuff.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Ross Hartman
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:52 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Tile Presses
Have you checked out RAM presses...
the bench top model is economical sounds to be the right size and someone on
clayart has one available RakuMan2@aol.com
FWIW...
L8R/Ross
Dave Finkelnburg on sat 17 feb 01
Dennis and others,
Can anyone state how much pressure (roughly) is neccessary to adequately
press a tile? How many pounds/square inch (kilograms/square meter)? This
would be useful in determining the available force from the press necessary
for a particular size tile. Thanks!
Dave Finkelnburg in Idaho
Rod, Marian, and Holly Morris on sun 18 feb 01
Thanks so much for this info. For us ignoramuses, exactly what is the name
of the alternative tile press, and do you know of an online source for such?
I am very interested.
Marian in Michigan
Marcia Selsor on sun 18 feb 01
Dear Dave and others,
At a c. 1980 presentation by Starbuch and Goldman, tilers from
Allentown, Pa. used 500 lbs. pressure on their ram tile press. The idea
was to use very "dry" (stiff). The less moist the better to avoid
warping and cracking. Caruso in Italy casts his pieces to avoid warping.
There are always many solutions in clay, grasshopper!
Marcia
Dave Finkelnburg wrote:
>
> Dennis and others,
> Can anyone state how much pressure (roughly) is neccessary to adequately
> press a tile? How many pounds/square inch (kilograms/square meter)? This
> would be useful in determining the available force from the press necessary
> for a particular size tile. Thanks!
> Dave Finkelnburg in Idaho
>
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Dennis Mummert on sun 18 feb 01
The tool is called an Arbor Press. Grizzley is at http://www.grizzley.com
or http://www.grizzly.com and I can't remember the URL for Harbor Freight.
Grizzley deals primarily with wood working equipment but some of the things
they have are of use in our art/trade.
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From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Rod, Marian, and Holly Morris
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:50 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: CheaperTile Press Alternatives
Thanks so much for this info. For us ignoramuses, exactly what is the name
of the alternative tile press, and do you know of an online source for such?
I am very interested.
Marian in Michigan
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Dennis Mummert on sun 18 feb 01
That figure depends entirely on the stiffness of the clay, the thickness,
and how much deformation it has to go thru. If one pre-rolls the clay into
rough shape, (a rolling pin will do just fine), then not a whole lot of
force is necessary. I had a limited run of 3" hemispheres I did that
required about 80 lb. I was using wooden molds, and Saran Wrap was my 'mold
lubricant'. In the case of tile being pressed into plaster molds, no face
lube would be indicated, but a plastic film on the platen, or upper mold
would help a good bit to lessen the required force.
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From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Dave Finkelnburg
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:34 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: CheaperTile Press Alternatives
Dennis and others,
Can anyone state how much pressure (roughly) is neccessary to adequately
press a tile? How many pounds/square inch (kilograms/square meter)? This
would be useful in determining the available force from the press necessary
for a particular size tile. Thanks!
Dave Finkelnburg in Idaho
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Isao & Don on sun 18 feb 01
At 15:40 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>The tool is called an Arbor Press. Grizzley is at http://www.grizzley.com
>or http://www.grizzly.com and I can't remember the URL for Harbor Freight.
>Grizzley deals primarily with wood working equipment but some of the things
>they have are of use in our art/trade.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
>Behalf Of Rod, Marian, and Holly Morris
>Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:50 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: CheaperTile Press Alternatives
>
>
>Thanks so much for this info. For us ignoramuses, exactly what is the name
>of the alternative tile press, and do you know of an online source for such?
>I am very interested.
>
>Marian in Michigan Marion, check out any of the used macines,
Engineering companies in your area. Sample not in your area is Young
Engineering, Salem,Ma. if they are still in business,they have hundreds of
machines, from small screws to giant presses. Don & Isao
>
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vince pitelka on mon 19 feb 01
I know there has been lots of controversy about rules on Clayart, but I
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After all the discussion about this, to go ahead and post like this shows
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----- Original Message -----
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: CheaperTile Press Alternatives
> At 15:40 2/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >The tool is called an Arbor Press. Grizzley is at
http://www.grizzley.com
> >or http://www.grizzly.com and I can't remember the URL for Harbor
Freight.
> >Grizzley deals primarily with wood working equipment but some of the
things
> >they have are of use in our art/trade.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> >Behalf Of Rod, Marian, and Holly Morris
> >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:50 AM
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: CheaperTile Press Alternatives
> >
> >
> >Thanks so much for this info. For us ignoramuses, exactly what is the
name
> >of the alternative tile press, and do you know of an online source for
such?
> >I am very interested.
> >
> >Marian in Michigan Marion, check out any of the used macines,
> Engineering companies in your area. Sample not in your area is Young
> Engineering, Salem,Ma. if they are still in business,they have hundreds of
> machines, from small screws to giant presses.
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