Terrance Lazaroff on thu 15 mar 01
Vince wrote:
Let us maintain some sort of realistic perspective here. We are talking
about photos of your work, not the work itself. If you wanted to advertise
in a magazine you would send images of your work off to the publisher, and
pay them a stiff fee to get your work in print. Besides, in either of these
situations you generally get the slides or transparencies back, so you have
not lost any of your investment at all. People will see your work, you will
become known, and you will get great exposure.
Vince,
This subject is in need of discussion by all and it must be looked at from
every angle. The realistic perspective here is that in order for the artist
to gain recognition, be a success and to get work-shops, he must give in to
a greater system. He must collaborate with an organization that purports to
help the artist. Yet they do nothing to assist with his financial support.
They say that they must keep the costs down. They point out that the
expenditures are great and this affects the sales price of the book. The
money to pay the artist would have to come from sales. They do not want to
increase the costs as it is tough competition in the business. Nevertheless,
everyone in the logistic chain of the publishing system gets paid, except
the artist.
I am sure budgets are allocated to the authors, the publishers, the printers
and the whole logistical element in distribution of books. I am sure markets
are studied, wholesale prices determined and marketing strategies are
calculated. Yet, the machine continues to cut the artist out of the Loop.
What will it take to calculate the cost of copyright use, when preparing the
sales pricing model of the book? In simple terms, look at the use of images
as a cost of doing business and charge it to the selling price of the
publication. What is so difficult with this scenario?
Someone mentioned that the publication of ceramic art books is at an all
time high. Well where is the artists, cut? This is the realistic
perspective. The artist gets a promise of fame and fortune at a later date.
I think it is something about going to heaven.
For what is worth
Terrance
Ababi on fri 16 mar 01
So far they asked me to pay to put my pictures in a book.Where is that place
that you get paid for pictures?
ababi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terrance Lazaroff"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Getting Paid (3)
> Vince wrote:
>
> Let us maintain some sort of realistic perspective here. We are talking
> about photos of your work, not the work itself. If you wanted to advertise
> in a magazine you would send images of your work off to the publisher, and
> pay them a stiff fee to get your work in print. Besides, in either of
these
> situations you generally get the slides or transparencies back, so you
have
> not lost any of your investment at all. People will see your work, you
will
> become known, and you will get great exposure.
>
> Vince,
>
> This subject is in need of discussion by all and it must be looked at from
> every angle. The realistic perspective here is that in order for the
artist
> to gain recognition, be a success and to get work-shops, he must give in
to
> a greater system. He must collaborate with an organization that purports
to
> help the artist. Yet they do nothing to assist with his financial support.
> They say that they must keep the costs down. They point out that the
> expenditures are great and this affects the sales price of the book. The
> money to pay the artist would have to come from sales. They do not want
to
> increase the costs as it is tough competition in the business.
Nevertheless,
> everyone in the logistic chain of the publishing system gets paid, except
> the artist.
>
> I am sure budgets are allocated to the authors, the publishers, the
printers
> and the whole logistical element in distribution of books. I am sure
markets
> are studied, wholesale prices determined and marketing strategies are
> calculated. Yet, the machine continues to cut the artist out of the Loop.
> What will it take to calculate the cost of copyright use, when preparing
the
> sales pricing model of the book? In simple terms, look at the use of
images
> as a cost of doing business and charge it to the selling price of the
> publication. What is so difficult with this scenario?
>
> Someone mentioned that the publication of ceramic art books is at an all
> time high. Well where is the artists, cut? This is the realistic
> perspective. The artist gets a promise of fame and fortune at a later
date.
> I think it is something about going to heaven.
> For what is worth
> Terrance
>
>
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vince pitelka on fri 16 mar 01
> Yet, the machine continues to cut the artist out of the Loop.
> What will it take to calculate the cost of copyright use, when preparing
the
> sales pricing model of the book? In simple terms, look at the use of
images
> as a cost of doing business and charge it to the selling price of the
> publication. What is so difficult with this scenario?
I think this will be my last post on this subject, because I am tired of
going around in circles. The machine does not cut the artist out of the
loop. The artist does not make his/her money by getting fees for the honor
of having pictures of his/her work appear in books or magazines. The artist
gets money by selling his/her work, by teaching his/her technique and/or
style, or by writing about his/her technique and/or style. The photo of the
artist's work is worthless except for whatever good it does the artist in
publicizing, promoting, or documenting his/her work. Having photos of your
work published in books is an excellent example of how those photos can do
good for you, and as I said, to expect to be paid for them is just shooting
yourself in the foot. In my opinion your perspective on this subject is
unrealistic. I enjoy a good dialogue, but it seems that any further
sparring on this subject is pointless.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Marie Gibbons on sat 17 mar 01
I agree with Vince here.... I think that sometimes "we" look for all the
reasons we can justify NOT doing something, because there are other reasons
we don't want to recognize within ourselves... fear of sucess, fear of
failure, lack of confidence, over confident, etc. etc. I think personally,
if I want to be an Artist, I need to expose my work, anyway that I can, if I
protect it and myself for the world, I am the only one who sees it, it will
not grow, I will not grow.... I look at things like publications in books as
huge opportunities .... and the recognition of my work is a huge payoff.
marie gibbons
www.oooladies.com
> Having photos of your
> work published in books is an excellent example of how those photos can do
> good for you, and as I said, to expect to be paid for them is just shooting
> yourself in the foot.
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