Steven Branfman on mon 30 apr 01
Friends,
The answers to propane tank freeze ups given recently are all effective;
using a larger tank, ganging two tanks together, pouring water on the tan=
k,
etc. Tanks are available in 20, 30, 40, 60, 70, 100lb, and larger. Even t=
anks
up to 100 pounds of capacity are somewhat portable if you have the
appropriate vehicle. Please remember though that an answer is NOT TO TURN=
THE
TANK ON IT'S SIDE!!!! This is a big no-no though I have seen people attem=
pt
it and luckily have been there to prevent it.
Another solution to freeze ups if it is a big problem for you if is to u=
se a
liquid propane system. Nils Lou has designed one and it is sold by him an=
d
through Axner's. Contact Nils or Axner for more info.
Steven Branfman
The Potters Shop
31 Thorpe Rd.
Needham MA 02494, USA
781 449 7687
fax: 781 449 9098
Cindy G on mon 30 apr 01
I stick my propane tank in a tub of water. I bought one
of those large, galvinized tubs for that purpose. Sears
Hardware is a good place for galvinized buckets or tubs,
or trash cans.
> Friends,
> The answers to propane tank freeze ups given recently are all effective=
;
> using a larger tank, ganging two tanks together, pouring water on the t=
ank,
> etc. Tanks are available in 20, 30, 40, 60, 70, 100lb, and larger. Even=
tanks
> up to 100 pounds of capacity are somewhat portable if you have the
> appropriate vehicle. Please remember though that an answer is NOT TO TU=
RN THE
> TANK ON IT'S SIDE!!!! This is a big no-no though I have seen people att=
empt
> it and luckily have been there to prevent it.
>
> Another solution to freeze ups if it is a big problem for you if is to=
use a
> liquid propane system. Nils Lou has designed one and it is sold by him =
and
> through Axner's. Contact Nils or Axner for more info.
>
> Steven Branfman
> The Potters Shop
> 31 Thorpe Rd.
> Needham MA 02494, USA
> 781 449 7687
> fax: 781 449 9098
>
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Marcia Selsor on mon 30 apr 01
I use three 20# tanks for two burners and they don't freeze up. I also
don't have to lift big tanks around. Great system.
I fired two kilns at the same time with one burner each.
Marcia in Montana
Cindy G wrote:
>
> I stick my propane tank in a tub of water. I bought one
> of those large, galvinized tubs for that purpose. Sears
> Hardware is a good place for galvinized buckets or tubs,
> or trash cans.
> > Friends,
> > The answers to propane tank freeze ups given recently are all effecti=
ve;
> > using a larger tank, ganging two tanks together, pouring water on the=
tank,
> > etc. Tanks are available in 20, 30, 40, 60, 70, 100lb, and larger. Ev=
en tanks
> > up to 100 pounds of capacity are somewhat portable if you have the
> > appropriate vehicle. Please remember though that an answer is NOT TO =
TURN THE
> > TANK ON IT'S SIDE!!!! This is a big no-no though I have seen people a=
ttempt
> > it and luckily have been there to prevent it.
> >
> > Another solution to freeze ups if it is a big problem for you if is =
to use a
> > liquid propane system. Nils Lou has designed one and it is sold by hi=
m and
> > through Axner's. Contact Nils or Axner for more info.
> >
> > Steven Branfman
> > The Potters Shop
> > 31 Thorpe Rd.
> > Needham MA 02494, USA
> > 781 449 7687
> > fax: 781 449 9098
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________=
_________
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Ray Found on tue 1 may 01
its not that it is unsafe to transport tanks on their sides, its that it
exposes the valve to liquid propane for an extended period of time, damaging,
and freezing the valve. Most (i say most bucause there are a few that can be
transported sideways) valves are not desiged to contact liquid propane, they
just suck the gas off the top.
Ray
Valice Raffi on tue 1 may 01
Hi Steven,
I rented a couple of 100 lb propane tanks, & the company laid them on the=
ir
sides in my pick-up. Am I lucky to be alive?
Valice
in Sacramento
Nils Lou on tue 1 may 01
We are all lucky to be alive, aren't we?
If you are implying that propane tanks are dangerous to transport on thei=
r
sides the answer is not at all so long as they don't slide out or against
something knocking off the valve. Even that won't kill you unless it
ignites. Learn to handle the unknown by asking questions as you have done=
=2E
and luck won't decide your fate.
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Valice Raffi wrote:
> Hi Steven,
>
> I rented a couple of 100 lb propane tanks, & the company laid them on t=
heir
> sides in my pick-up. Am I lucky to be alive?
>
> Valice
> in Sacramento
>
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>
Wayne Matthews on tue 1 may 01
In NH years ago we had 2 1000 gal propane tanks ganged
together. In winter we always had pressure problems if
the tanks were too full or two empty. The best range
was 30-70% which gave the largest surface are for
vaporization of the propane.
Our solution was to run warm water on the tanks when
needed. That always worked, but gave us high water
bills and lakes of ice. When possible, we'd try to
coordinate firings with weather patterns, to use the
big heater in the sky as much as possible.
At a prior studio we'd tried to bury a 1000 gal tank.
It didn't help much. The ground temp in NH winter was
too low, and once underground the warm water hose
trick couldn't be used.
--- Steven Branfman wrote:
> Friends,
> The answers to propane tank freeze ups given
> recently are all effective;
> using a larger tank, ganging two tanks together,
> pouring water on the tank,
> etc. Tanks are available in 20, 30, 40, 60, 70,
> 100lb, and larger. Even tanks
> up to 100 pounds of capacity are somewhat portable
> if you have the
> appropriate vehicle. Please remember though that an
> answer is NOT TO TURN THE
> TANK ON IT'S SIDE!!!! This is a big no-no though I
> have seen people attempt
> it and luckily have been there to prevent it.
>
> Another solution to freeze ups if it is a big
> problem for you if is to use a
> liquid propane system. Nils Lou has designed one and
> it is sold by him and
> through Axner's. Contact Nils or Axner for more
> info.
>
> Steven Branfman
> The Potters Shop
> 31 Thorpe Rd.
> Needham MA 02494, USA
> 781 449 7687
> fax: 781 449 9098
>
>
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_____
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>
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> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
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> reached at melpots@pclink.com.
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Wayne Matthews
Innvironments, Potter and Sulptor
Prostate Cancer Initiate
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vince pitelka on wed 2 may 01
> its not that it is unsafe to transport tanks on their sides, its that i=
t
> exposes the valve to liquid propane for an extended period of time,
damaging,
> and freezing the valve. Most (i say most bucause there are a few that c=
an
be
> transported sideways) valves are not desiged to contact liquid propane,
they
> just suck the gas off the top.
Ray -
There is no problem at all transporting these tanks on their sides, and i=
t
does not damage or freeze the valve. Once the tanks are standing up in
place (always outdoors!) just open the valve for a fraction of a second t=
o
bleed off any liquid before you hook up your line to the burners.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
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