Philip Poburka on sat 12 may 01
Dear Ababi!
Oh no!
Not "Turpentine"?
I have allways loved Turpenine...I collect really old (or at least 'pre
Strontium 90' ) Cans and Bottle of it.
Have some here which are 'U.S.P.' even...so nice!...different
'vintages'...nuances of bouquet and provanance...
For a little 'treat' now and again, I'll unscrew the lid of one, and take a
deep inhailation of it...that allways brightens my mood a little.
I use it in Oil Finishes and Paints...it has allways been a happy presence
to me.
It was one of America's first 'products' to be exported.
That and Tobacco...and some Mahagony and Pine Timber...back 'when'...way
back 'when'.
So, no...not Turpentine!
The 'Norskies' love it too...rub it on your Chest for easing
conjestions...it is GOOD!
Now 'Brown-Recluse' Spider venum, or Hydro-flouric acid...'zyglone-B'...or
other of the chlorinated benzines...the Albumin found in the seed of the
'Caster-Bean', if it gets in your blood...why, I'd stay clear of those bad
boys...but...
'Turps' is honorable, sweet and friendly...'Pine-Trees'...Noble!
Phil
Las Vegas, Nevada
> Your boss is right some of those are very dengerose materials, if they are
> not covered and some of them I would say should be on high shelves.Tell
your
> boss that the smok from the cars, the fast food NaCl and driving fast are
> dengerouse too. So is terpentine. Even cooking oil if you drirk it about
100
> cc might harm you.
> Ababi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:13 PM
> Subject: Glaze chemicals dangerous?
>
>
> > Hi all -- Recently, some young kids got into a bag of plaster stored
> > near the glaze chemicals in the pottery room at a community center.
> > The rec center director panicked and decided to get rid of all the
> > glaze chemicals to prevent any kids from accessing the chemicals,
> > which she believes are highly toxic.
> >
> > I'm wondering though, how dangerous is a one-time exposure? I
> > understood that a mask should be used when mixing glazes to reduce
> > cumulative exposure over a long time. Or is limited exposure also
> > harmful without a mask? These are cone 6, foodsafe glazes, but I
> > can't tell you all the chemicals that were present, probably about
> > 50.
> >
> > Sue
> >
> >
>
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Cindy Strnad on sun 13 may 01
I think we may have a confusion in terms here. Phil in Las Vegas seems to be
talking about the kind of turpentine that comes from pine sap and was
(sometimes is) used in folk medicine to cure various ills.
Modern turpentine is not so benign. I believe it is a petroleum based
product, but I'm sure some on the list will know its origin and share that
with us. At any rate, it's not the stuff you use in that home remedy for
worms, unless you don't like your dog. I did hear of one couple who didn't
understand this distinction and ended up finishing off their beloved pooch.
Important to know the difference.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
earthenv@gwtc.net
http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
Philip Poburka on sun 13 may 01
Dear Ryan,
I apologise.
My Post was ambiguous in this way: I was only speaking of and for myself,
and not with respect to 'small-children' !
Or with respect to ghastly over-exposures and accidents.
I happen to like the smell of Turpentine, and was being playful (and true)
about that...I like it every which way one could like it, I suppose...always
have.
'Small Children' are certainly to be looked after and protected from
unpleasantnesses, such as 'chemicals', 'Holliday-Wreathes of 'Poison
Sumack', Sewing Supplies and the like...organic phosphates...AND 'certain'
other
'children' as it may be...
I was speaking in the abstract...(Me and my Shop...me and Turpentine...)
Thank you for the information you Posted, which I enjoyed being brought up
to speed on.
I would certainly not enjoy TOO much, of any numbers of 'good-things'...
Includeing this one!
Regards,
Phil
Las Vegas...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kamp, Ryan"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
> I have to disagree, Turpentine is a known toxic substance that needs to be
> out of the reach of small children.
> Check out the some info on this "good" chemical at
>
http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/Uglabs/MSDS/turpentine.-fisher.html
>
>
> Some of the toxicity highlights:
>
> HEALTH EFFECTS AND FIRST AID
> INHALATION: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/NARCOTIC/TOXIC.
> 1900 ppm Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health. ACUTE EXPOSURE-
Exposures
> of 75-175 ppm have caused irritation of the nose and throat; 750-1000 ppm
> for several hours produced headache, dizziness, nausea, and tachycardia.
> Heavy overexposure may cause coughing, choking, dyspnea, bronchitis, chest
> pain, burning sensation in the mouth, throat, esophogus, and stomach,
> vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, painful urination with a violet-like
> odor of the urine, and rarely bladder and kidney irritation with
hematuria,
> albuminuria, and glycosuria. Central nervous system depression may occur
> with initial excitement, followed by ataxia, confusion, anorexia, stupor,
> tinnitus, hallucinations, distorted perceptions, antipyschotic changes,
> delayed convulsions, coma and death due to respiratory failure.
> CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause cerebral
atrophy,
> behavioral changes, anemia and bone marrow damage, and glomerulonephritis.
> FIRST AID- Remove from exposure area to fresh air immediately. Perform
> artificial respiration if necessary. Keep person warm and at rest. Treat
> symptomatically and supportively. Get medical attention immediately.
> SKIN CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/SENSITIZER. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause
> irritation, erythema, eczema, itching, possibly burns and allergic
> sensitization. Turpentine may be absorbed through the skin and cause
effects
> as detailed in acute inhalation. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged
> contact may cause sensitization dermatitis. If sufficient amounts are
> absorbed through the skin, systemic effects as detailed in chronic
> inhalation may occur. FIRST AID- Remove contaminated clothing and shoes
> immediately. Wash with soap or mild detergent and large amounts of water
> until no evidence of chemical remains (at least 15-20 minutes). Get
medical
> attention immediately.
> EYE CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause irritation
at
> 175 ppm. Direct liquid contact may cause severe blepharospasm,
conjunctival
> hyperemia, slight injury to the corneal epithelium, corneal burns, and
> temporary erosion of the epithelium. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or
prolonged
> contact may cause conjunctivitis.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip Poburka [SMTP:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:35 PM
> > To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
> >
> > Dear Ababi!
> >
> > Oh no!
> >
> > Not "Turpentine"?
> >
> > I have allways loved Turpenine...I collect really old (or at least 'pre
> > Strontium 90' ) Cans and Bottle of it.
> > Have some here which are 'U.S.P.' even...so nice!...different
> > 'vintages'...nuances of bouquet and provanance...
> >
> > For a little 'treat' now and again, I'll unscrew the lid of one, and
take
> > a
> > deep inhailation of it...that allways brightens my mood a little.
> > I use it in Oil Finishes and Paints...it has allways been a happy
presence
> > to me.
> >
> > It was one of America's first 'products' to be exported.
> > That and Tobacco...and some Mahagony and Pine Timber...back 'when'...way
> > back 'when'.
> >
> > So, no...not Turpentine!
> > The 'Norskies' love it too...rub it on your Chest for easing
> > conjestions...it is GOOD!
> >
> > Now 'Brown-Recluse' Spider venum, or Hydro-flouric
acid...'zyglone-B'...or
> > other of the chlorinated benzines...the Albumin found in the seed of the
> > 'Caster-Bean', if it gets in your blood...why, I'd stay clear of those
bad
> > boys...but...
> >
> > 'Turps' is honorable, sweet and friendly...'Pine-Trees'...Noble!
> >
> > Phil
> > Las Vegas, Nevada
> >
> > > Your boss is right some of those are very dengerose materials, if they
> > are
> > > not covered and some of them I would say should be on high
shelves.Tell
> > your
> > > boss that the smok from the cars, the fast food NaCl and driving fast
> > are
> > > dengerouse too. So is terpentine. Even cooking oil if you drirk it
about
> > 100
> > > cc might harm you.
> > > Ababi
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: Glaze chemicals dangerous?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all -- Recently, some young kids got into a bag of plaster stored
> > > > near the glaze chemicals in the pottery room at a community center.
> > > > The rec center director panicked and decided to get rid of all the
> > > > glaze chemicals to prevent any kids from accessing the chemicals,
> > > > which she believes are highly toxic.
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering though, how dangerous is a one-time exposure? I
> > > > understood that a mask should be used when mixing glazes to reduce
> > > > cumulative exposure over a long time. Or is limited exposure also
> > > > harmful without a mask? These are cone 6, foodsafe glazes, but I
> > > > can't tell you all the chemicals that were present, probably about
> > > > 50.
> > > >
> > > > Sue
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
__________________________________________________________________________
> > __
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> > > melpots@pclink.com.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Kamp, Ryan on sun 13 may 01
I have to disagree, Turpentine is a known toxic substance that needs to be
out of the reach of small children.
Check out the some info on this "good" chemical at
http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/Uglabs/MSDS/turpentine.-fisher.html
Some of the toxicity highlights:
HEALTH EFFECTS AND FIRST AID
INHALATION: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/NARCOTIC/TOXIC.
1900 ppm Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health. ACUTE EXPOSURE- Exposures
of 75-175 ppm have caused irritation of the nose and throat; 750-1000 ppm
for several hours produced headache, dizziness, nausea, and tachycardia.
Heavy overexposure may cause coughing, choking, dyspnea, bronchitis, chest
pain, burning sensation in the mouth, throat, esophogus, and stomach,
vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, painful urination with a violet-like
odor of the urine, and rarely bladder and kidney irritation with hematuria,
albuminuria, and glycosuria. Central nervous system depression may occur
with initial excitement, followed by ataxia, confusion, anorexia, stupor,
tinnitus, hallucinations, distorted perceptions, antipyschotic changes,
delayed convulsions, coma and death due to respiratory failure.
CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause cerebral atrophy,
behavioral changes, anemia and bone marrow damage, and glomerulonephritis.
FIRST AID- Remove from exposure area to fresh air immediately. Perform
artificial respiration if necessary. Keep person warm and at rest. Treat
symptomatically and supportively. Get medical attention immediately.
SKIN CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/SENSITIZER. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause
irritation, erythema, eczema, itching, possibly burns and allergic
sensitization. Turpentine may be absorbed through the skin and cause effects
as detailed in acute inhalation. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged
contact may cause sensitization dermatitis. If sufficient amounts are
absorbed through the skin, systemic effects as detailed in chronic
inhalation may occur. FIRST AID- Remove contaminated clothing and shoes
immediately. Wash with soap or mild detergent and large amounts of water
until no evidence of chemical remains (at least 15-20 minutes). Get medical
attention immediately.
EYE CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause irritation at
175 ppm. Direct liquid contact may cause severe blepharospasm, conjunctival
hyperemia, slight injury to the corneal epithelium, corneal burns, and
temporary erosion of the epithelium. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged
contact may cause conjunctivitis.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Poburka [SMTP:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:35 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
>
> Dear Ababi!
>
> Oh no!
>
> Not "Turpentine"?
>
> I have allways loved Turpenine...I collect really old (or at least 'pre
> Strontium 90' ) Cans and Bottle of it.
> Have some here which are 'U.S.P.' even...so nice!...different
> 'vintages'...nuances of bouquet and provanance...
>
> For a little 'treat' now and again, I'll unscrew the lid of one, and take
> a
> deep inhailation of it...that allways brightens my mood a little.
> I use it in Oil Finishes and Paints...it has allways been a happy presence
> to me.
>
> It was one of America's first 'products' to be exported.
> That and Tobacco...and some Mahagony and Pine Timber...back 'when'...way
> back 'when'.
>
> So, no...not Turpentine!
> The 'Norskies' love it too...rub it on your Chest for easing
> conjestions...it is GOOD!
>
> Now 'Brown-Recluse' Spider venum, or Hydro-flouric acid...'zyglone-B'...or
> other of the chlorinated benzines...the Albumin found in the seed of the
> 'Caster-Bean', if it gets in your blood...why, I'd stay clear of those bad
> boys...but...
>
> 'Turps' is honorable, sweet and friendly...'Pine-Trees'...Noble!
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas, Nevada
>
> > Your boss is right some of those are very dengerose materials, if they
> are
> > not covered and some of them I would say should be on high shelves.Tell
> your
> > boss that the smok from the cars, the fast food NaCl and driving fast
> are
> > dengerouse too. So is terpentine. Even cooking oil if you drirk it about
> 100
> > cc might harm you.
> > Ababi
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Glaze chemicals dangerous?
> >
> >
> > > Hi all -- Recently, some young kids got into a bag of plaster stored
> > > near the glaze chemicals in the pottery room at a community center.
> > > The rec center director panicked and decided to get rid of all the
> > > glaze chemicals to prevent any kids from accessing the chemicals,
> > > which she believes are highly toxic.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering though, how dangerous is a one-time exposure? I
> > > understood that a mask should be used when mixing glazes to reduce
> > > cumulative exposure over a long time. Or is limited exposure also
> > > harmful without a mask? These are cone 6, foodsafe glazes, but I
> > > can't tell you all the chemicals that were present, probably about
> > > 50.
> > >
> > > Sue
> > >
> > >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________________
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> > >
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> > melpots@pclink.com.
> > >
> >
> >
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Ababi on mon 14 may 01
My English is not good enough, to know, if that answer was ironic or
straight. After reading this letter, of Kamp Ryan I add my answer.My
painting teacher, lives in a kibbutz, like me.Where an artist can have a
studio?in the old huts of the beginners, or like me in the old Public
Showers, or her in one of the bomb shelters . Lucky her! Did not have
ventilation, had turpentine poisoning!
My father was a prisoner of war as an English Soldier in Germany in second
world war.He told me that some prisoners , could not live without a drink,
drunk that poison, and the result, you could guess.
A little more optimistic: When I teach painting with oil-pastels, I give the
children, as a thinning liquid, babies oil instead that wonderful American
product.
By the way, There are so many GOOD American product I would put the Stars
and strips flag on them instead! (like my wife)
Ababi Sharon
ababisha@shoval.ardom.co.il
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kamp, Ryan"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
> I have to disagree, Turpentine is a known toxic substance that needs to be
> out of the reach of small children.
> Check out the some info on this "good" chemical at
>
http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/Uglabs/MSDS/turpentine.-fisher.html
>
>
> Some of the toxicity highlights:
>
> HEALTH EFFECTS AND FIRST AID
> INHALATION: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/NARCOTIC/TOXIC.
> 1900 ppm Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health. ACUTE EXPOSURE-
Exposures
> of 75-175 ppm have caused irritation of the nose and throat; 750-1000 ppm
> for several hours produced headache, dizziness, nausea, and tachycardia.
> Heavy overexposure may cause coughing, choking, dyspnea, bronchitis, chest
> pain, burning sensation in the mouth, throat, esophogus, and stomach,
> vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, painful urination with a violet-like
> odor of the urine, and rarely bladder and kidney irritation with
hematuria,
> albuminuria, and glycosuria. Central nervous system depression may occur
> with initial excitement, followed by ataxia, confusion, anorexia, stupor,
> tinnitus, hallucinations, distorted perceptions, antipyschotic changes,
> delayed convulsions, coma and death due to respiratory failure.
> CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause cerebral
atrophy,
> behavioral changes, anemia and bone marrow damage, and glomerulonephritis.
> FIRST AID- Remove from exposure area to fresh air immediately. Perform
> artificial respiration if necessary. Keep person warm and at rest. Treat
> symptomatically and supportively. Get medical attention immediately.
> SKIN CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT/SENSITIZER. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause
> irritation, erythema, eczema, itching, possibly burns and allergic
> sensitization. Turpentine may be absorbed through the skin and cause
effects
> as detailed in acute inhalation. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or prolonged
> contact may cause sensitization dermatitis. If sufficient amounts are
> absorbed through the skin, systemic effects as detailed in chronic
> inhalation may occur. FIRST AID- Remove contaminated clothing and shoes
> immediately. Wash with soap or mild detergent and large amounts of water
> until no evidence of chemical remains (at least 15-20 minutes). Get
medical
> attention immediately.
> EYE CONTACT: TURPENTINE: IRRITANT. ACUTE EXPOSURE- May cause irritation
at
> 175 ppm. Direct liquid contact may cause severe blepharospasm,
conjunctival
> hyperemia, slight injury to the corneal epithelium, corneal burns, and
> temporary erosion of the epithelium. CHRONIC EXPOSURE- Repeated or
prolonged
> contact may cause conjunctivitis.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip Poburka [SMTP:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:35 PM
> > To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
> >
> > Dear Ababi!
> >
> > Oh no!
> >
> > Not "Turpentine"?
> >
> > I have allways loved Turpenine...I collect really old (or at least 'pre
> > Strontium 90' ) Cans and Bottle of it.
> > Have some here which are 'U.S.P.' even...so nice!...different
> > 'vintages'...nuances of bouquet and provanance...
> >
> > For a little 'treat' now and again, I'll unscrew the lid of one, and
take
> > a
> > deep inhailation of it...that allways brightens my mood a little.
> > I use it in Oil Finishes and Paints...it has allways been a happy
presence
> > to me.
> >
> > It was one of America's first 'products' to be exported.
> > That and Tobacco...and some Mahagony and Pine Timber...back 'when'...way
> > back 'when'.
> >
> > So, no...not Turpentine!
> > The 'Norskies' love it too...rub it on your Chest for easing
> > conjestions...it is GOOD!
> >
> > Now 'Brown-Recluse' Spider venum, or Hydro-flouric
acid...'zyglone-B'...or
> > other of the chlorinated benzines...the Albumin found in the seed of the
> > 'Caster-Bean', if it gets in your blood...why, I'd stay clear of those
bad
> > boys...but...
> >
> > 'Turps' is honorable, sweet and friendly...'Pine-Trees'...Noble!
> >
> > Phil
> > Las Vegas, Nevada
> >
> > > Your boss is right some of those are very dengerose materials, if they
> > are
> > > not covered and some of them I would say should be on high
shelves.Tell
> > your
> > > boss that the smok from the cars, the fast food NaCl and driving fast
> > are
> > > dengerouse too. So is terpentine. Even cooking oil if you drirk it
about
> > 100
> > > cc might harm you.
> > > Ababi
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: Glaze chemicals dangerous?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all -- Recently, some young kids got into a bag of plaster stored
> > > > near the glaze chemicals in the pottery room at a community center.
> > > > The rec center director panicked and decided to get rid of all the
> > > > glaze chemicals to prevent any kids from accessing the chemicals,
> > > > which she believes are highly toxic.
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering though, how dangerous is a one-time exposure? I
> > > > understood that a mask should be used when mixing glazes to reduce
> > > > cumulative exposure over a long time. Or is limited exposure also
> > > > harmful without a mask? These are cone 6, foodsafe glazes, but I
> > > > can't tell you all the chemicals that were present, probably about
> > > > 50.
> > > >
> > > > Sue
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
__________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > > __
> > > > Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> > > >
> > > > You may look at the archives for the list or change your
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> > > >
> > > > Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
> > > melpots@pclink.com.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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Khaimraj Seepersad on mon 14 may 01
Hello to All ,
Cindy ,
The Petroleum one is Mineral Spirits .
The Pine sap one is Turpentine .
Neither solvent is good for breathing , inhaling , sniffing
or applying to your body .
As to the old time ideas of rubbing Turpentine on your
body . Not a good idea .
Also not good - Odourless Solvents .
Studios should always be well ventilated , we only breath
air , not solvents.
>From what Monona Rossol has told me , people acquire
allergies to Pine oils very easily .
Fair skinned painters usually come down with contact dermatitis
from using Turpentine - my teacher had it , he was only 39
at the time. Shredded his fingers and he ended up with
gloves , but then he liked to get turps [ doubly rectified ]
on his skin .
This is why Water Soluble Oils were introduced in the first
place , too many people , sitting in closed rooms trying
to paint , with solvent filling the air.
Also just because a Solvent is odourless , does not mean
that it does not Evaporate , and your still going to end up
breathing it [ especially on hot days ] .
Please be careful with genuine Turpentine , or Mineral
Spirits [ white spirits , odourless and so on ].
Khaimraj
-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Strnad
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: 14 May 2001 4:42
Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
>I think we may have a confusion in terms here. Phil in Las Vegas seems to
be
>talking about the kind of turpentine that comes from pine sap and was
>(sometimes is) used in folk medicine to cure various ills.
>
>Modern turpentine is not so benign. I believe it is a petroleum based
>product, but I'm sure some on the list will know its origin and share that
>with us. At any rate, it's not the stuff you use in that home remedy for
>worms, unless you don't like your dog. I did hear of one couple who didn't
>understand this distinction and ended up finishing off their beloved pooch.
>Important to know the difference.
>
>Cindy Strnad
>Earthen Vessels Pottery
>RR 1, Box 51
>Custer, SD 57730
>USA
>earthenv@gwtc.net
>http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
Philip Poburka on tue 15 may 01
Dear Cindy!
Thank you!
It would seem that among those who are confused, confusion may, or will
predominate.
PAINT THINNER is not 'Turpentine', though Turpentine MAY be used, and
traditionally WAS used, as a 'paint-thinner'...or long ago was, then
recently was, by the discerning of 'House', and 'Sign' and 'Art' Painter=
s.
There are now-a-days, several 'substitutes', as they say, named
'turp-a-loid' or 'turp-a-something' and these are NOT THE SAME THING!!!
"Turpentine" is Turpentine.
There are different 'grades', and qualities...it is still sold at
Pharmacies.
'PAINT THINNER', aka "Mineral-Spirits", aka 'Petroleum-Distillate'...and
Turpentine, may be used to 'thin' certain oil based Paints...or may
configure in some formula for 'finishes'.
THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE IN COMMON, other than that they may be considered
aeromatic, and liquid, and flammable, and they will evaporate, and...THEY
ARE NOT the 'same' thing.
As Janet kindly mentioned, 'Mineral Spirits' are a 'Petroleum' derivative=
,
whilst 'Turpentine' is steam-distilled or otherwise wrought from the sap =
of
Pine Trees.
The confusion here seems to derive from some of us having not troubled
themselves to know of what they speak...and we may only hope, that for th=
ese
mentions they may come to know, that "PAINT THINNER" aka
"Petroleum-Distillate" aka "Mineral Spirits", is NOT, never WAS and never
WILL BE...'Turpentine'...!
Turpentine has nothing to 'do' with any 'petroleum' !!!!!
It is ancient, Honorable, sweet and a friend to Man.
I like the odour, the presence of it, and on occasion I am pleased to hav=
e a
cheerful whiff.
Whatever is there to be SO exited about?
Or...is it the confusion about just what Turpentine IS?
Yes?
AND, as I hope may have been noticed, I was speaking IN my 'post' the oth=
er
day, for 'me'...and it was NOT presented as some 'child safety' remedial =
or
instructional...so PLEASE understand THAT!
I was mentioning of my fondness for it, and NOT how it is that, O! Why of
course! One ought not let infants succle on the bottle of 'turps'...nor
(while we are at it) on 'paint-thinner' as it may be...nor bathe them in =
it,
and so on...
Ahhhh....sheesh!
Thank you Cindy for having your kind faith in me!
And big 'razzberries' to those who did not!
With some laughter...and at least some puzzlement...if not amazement!
Philip
Las Vegas, Nevada...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Strnad"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Glaze chemicals dangerous? - "Turpentine"???
> I think we may have a confusion in terms here. Phil in Las Vegas seems =
to
be
> talking about the kind of turpentine that comes from pine sap and was
> (sometimes is) used in folk medicine to cure various ills.
>
> Modern turpentine is not so benign. I believe it is a petroleum based
> product, but I'm sure some on the list will know its origin and share t=
hat
> with us. At any rate, it's not the stuff you use in that home remedy fo=
r
> worms, unless you don't like your dog. I did hear of one couple who did=
n't
> understand this distinction and ended up finishing off their beloved
pooch.
> Important to know the difference.
>
> Cindy Strnad
> Earthen Vessels Pottery
> RR 1, Box 51
> Custer, SD 57730
> USA
> earthenv@gwtc.net
> http://www.earthenvesselssd.com
>
>
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