artimater on sat 26 may 01
Wes the man wrote me offlist:
RushI ran across this quote and thought you might agree:
'This inherent worldliness of the artist is not changed if a "non objective
art" replaced the representation of things; to mistake this non-objectivity
for subjectivity, where the artist feels called upon to "express himself',
his subjective feelings, is the mark of charlatans, not of artists. The
artist, wheter painter or sculp;tor or poet or musician, produces worldly
objects, and his reification has nothing in common with the highly
questionable and, at any rate, wholly inartistic practice of expressionism.
Expressionist art, but not abstract art, is a contradiction in terms'.
--Hannah Arendt ("The Human Condition" Quoted in "A Concise History of
Modern Painting")
Wes
Wes Rolley
"Happiness is to be fully engaged in the activity that you believe in and,
if you are very good at it, well that's a bonus." -- Henry Moore
http://www.refpub.com
You dog, you rascal; asking me4 a question with four or five ob words
in the first sentence......After a bottle of Pinot Grigio and several Red
Stripes I am ready to answer(got plenty more Red Stripes so not to worry) I
think we can make it...It's not like Goria cares or wants any
attentionHEHEHEHE...She already got hers and when I asked her your question
she said "I was only listening half the time"....My son tried to help but
was too frivolous....My friend Kathy was and is a drunk at heart....My son's
girlfriend engaged me for about 30 minutes and agreed with my forming
opinion....Be aware that i had to read your post five times before I could
talk about it .....so here comes
Dear Hannah is absolutely right ......Dear Hannah is absolutely
wrong......
Yes an artist has to objectively control the medium to produce the
object
Although the artist may be five years old and only know red on the
living room wall, he must know red on the living room wall ....To discount
subjectivity is to discount the why the child chose red and the living room
as opposed to the garage wall....If he/she paints the garage wall noone
cares...If he paints the living room, you will beat him and send him to
therapy where he will learn it's all your fault anyway.....
I would go so far as to say that after the secret of the chinese
oxblood became common knowledge there was nothing left but
expressionism......You can listen to a thousand songs, but until you hear
Tracy Chapman and BB sing "give me one reason to stay here, and I'll turn
right back around"....Then you don't know Tracy Chapman and BB.....
Expressionism(1908-1913) was the Last key in the great puzzle....Manet
broke the mold....Van Goph stretched the paradigms and Picasso destroyed the
world....There can be no growth without destruction.......The expressionists
took the idea that the motif is meaningless and only the emotion
mattered....Their use of discord color.....Their choice of incidental motif
I believe bested Picasso at his own art expanding games...While he attempted
to discount the motif(cubism) he quickly moved on with the edge and was soon
painting pics of Marie Theresa(The 15 year old delight of an old
man).....With her he found joy....Do you have to be a charlatan to example
joy?.......Check a few pics of her and see an artist painting
joy.......Picasso is the man.....
I would go so far as to say that "expressionism" is the only valid form
left to us....In a world where we are bombarded with puff and commercial
image only the most vital expression of emotion will even excite our
interest.....EMOTION....Call it expressionism if you like.....The key is
emotion....If your work denies emotion it is IMHO dead.....It is bunnies
Yet if an artist does not have the technical facility to impart the
emotion to the object then all is lost in the effort....Am I
Michealangelo???....Can anything be more emotional than the imparting of
knowledge to man???.....It apppears to me to be some sort of split in the
human psyche which allows the artist to produce in an objective manner yet
control the production to produce the emotion to be represented....
Now we get to my art.....The emotion I want to represent is calm,
peace....I strive to produce a "happy state in every viewer".....Yet I have
spent several of my friends lives in narrowing down that which would produce
such positive emotion and reaction....totally objective research......I am
only close...I can tel l you I think it has more to do with eliminating the
negative than accentuating the positive..........
Thank you Wes, so much, for sending a question that made me think
WHY?????...I can figure out "how to"; or maybe ask clayart.....When a man
has made NO money for 12 years he has to be very down with the why....It is
something I think only Gloria and my two great kids can impart....Do I want
to die with them thinking that "Daddy sure knew how to take care of us
monitarily," or do I want them to know I looked after their spiritual well
being.....If you lived poor on the rich side of Dallas, maybe you would
understand the importance.....
Hannah was absolutly right and absolutly wrong....What a concept
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
and snakes handy"
http://www.geocities.com/artimator/index.html
artimator@earthlink.net
Carolsan on mon 28 may 01
The older I become the more my favorite sculptures and paintings (haven't
leapt that far in pottery) lean toward non-truth (my term for
non-objectivity)
with an occasional juxtaposition of a solvable abstraction. I attempt to
explain my
'unknowable' approach as a way of defining my acquired sense of
spirituality.
Those closest feel it wisest not to address my 'non-truth' art, and I fully
understand.
Arendt's mention of music causes me to ponder that such art is like a melody
we hear that we almost recognize, but a couple indiscernible keys
are struck and the wave creates a dissonance within our reasoning.
In fact, many are the times I wonder from whence
cometh those odd creations that sit upon the shelf and cling to the canvas.
Was H. Arendt an artist as well as a philosopher? Truly inspiring topic.
Regards, Carolsan
> Wes the man wrote me offlist:
>
> RushI ran across this quote and thought you might agree:
>
> 'This inherent worldliness of the artist is not changed if a "non
objective
> art" replaced the representation of things; to mistake this
non-objectivity
> for subjectivity, where the artist feels called upon to "express himself',
> his subjective feelings, is the mark of charlatans, not of artists. The
> artist, wheter painter or sculp;tor or poet or musician, produces worldly
> objects, and his reification has nothing in common with the highly
> questionable and, at any rate, wholly inartistic practice of
expressionism.
> Expressionist art, but not abstract art, is a contradiction in terms'.
> --Hannah Arendt ("The Human Condition" Quoted in "A Concise History of
> Modern Painting")
>
> Wes
> Wes Rolley
>
> "Happiness is to be fully engaged in the activity that you believe in and,
> if you are very good at it, well that's a bonus." -- Henry Moore
>
> http://www.refpub.com
>
> You dog, you rascal; asking me4 a question with four or five ob words
> in the first sentence......After a bottle of Pinot Grigio and several Red
> Stripes I am ready to answer(got plenty more Red Stripes so not to worry)
I
> think we can make it...It's not like Goria cares or wants any
> attentionHEHEHEHE...She already got hers and when I asked her your
question
> she said "I was only listening half the time"....My son tried to help but
> was too frivolous....My friend Kathy was and is a drunk at heart....My
son's
> girlfriend engaged me for about 30 minutes and agreed with my forming
> opinion....Be aware that i had to read your post five times before I could
> talk about it .....so here comes
> Dear Hannah is absolutely right ......Dear Hannah is absolutely
> wrong......
> Yes an artist has to objectively control the medium to produce the
> object
> Although the artist may be five years old and only know red on the
> living room wall, he must know red on the living room wall ....To discount
> subjectivity is to discount the why the child chose red and the living
room
> as opposed to the garage wall....If he/she paints the garage wall noone
> cares...If he paints the living room, you will beat him and send him to
> therapy where he will learn it's all your fault anyway.....
> I would go so far as to say that after the secret of the chinese
> oxblood became common knowledge there was nothing left but
> expressionism......You can listen to a thousand songs, but until you hear
> Tracy Chapman and BB sing "give me one reason to stay here, and I'll turn
> right back around"....Then you don't know Tracy Chapman and BB.....
> Expressionism(1908-1913) was the Last key in the great
puzzle....Manet
> broke the mold....Van Goph stretched the paradigms and Picasso destroyed
the
> world....There can be no growth without destruction.......The
expressionists
> took the idea that the motif is meaningless and only the emotion
> mattered....Their use of discord color.....Their choice of incidental
motif
> I believe bested Picasso at his own art expanding games...While he
attempted
> to discount the motif(cubism) he quickly moved on with the edge and was
soon
> painting pics of Marie Theresa(The 15 year old delight of an old
> man).....With her he found joy....Do you have to be a charlatan to example
> joy?.......Check a few pics of her and see an artist painting
> joy.......Picasso is the man.....
> I would go so far as to say that "expressionism" is the only valid
form
> left to us....In a world where we are bombarded with puff and commercial
> image only the most vital expression of emotion will even excite our
> interest.....EMOTION....Call it expressionism if you like.....The key is
> emotion....If your work denies emotion it is IMHO dead.....It is bunnies
> Yet if an artist does not have the technical facility to impart the
> emotion to the object then all is lost in the effort....Am I
> Michealangelo???....Can anything be more emotional than the imparting of
> knowledge to man???.....It apppears to me to be some sort of split in the
> human psyche which allows the artist to produce in an objective manner yet
> control the production to produce the emotion to be represented....
> Now we get to my art.....The emotion I want to represent is calm,
> peace....I strive to produce a "happy state in every viewer".....Yet I
have
> spent several of my friends lives in narrowing down that which would
produce
> such positive emotion and reaction....totally objective research......I am
> only close...I can tel l you I think it has more to do with eliminating
the
> negative than accentuating the positive..........
> Thank you Wes, so much, for sending a question that made me think
> WHY?????...I can figure out "how to"; or maybe ask clayart.....When a man
> has made NO money for 12 years he has to be very down with the why....It
is
> something I think only Gloria and my two great kids can impart....Do I
want
> to die with them thinking that "Daddy sure knew how to take care of us
> monitarily," or do I want them to know I looked after their spiritual well
> being.....If you lived poor on the rich side of Dallas, maybe you would
> understand the importance.....
> Hannah was absolutly right and absolutly wrong....What a concept
> Rush
> "I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
> and snakes handy"
> http://www.geocities.com/artimator/index.html
> artimator@earthlink.net
>
>
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>
Carolsan on mon 28 may 01
The older I become the more my favorite sculptures and paintings (haven't
leapt that far in pottery) lean toward non-truth (my term for
non-objectivity)
with an occasional juxtaposition of a solvable abstract. I attempt to
explain my
'unknowable' approach as a way of defining my acquired sense of
spirituality.
Those closest feel it wisest not to address my 'non-truth' art, and I fully
understand.
Arendt's mention of music causes me to ponder that such art is like a melody
we hear that we almost recognize, but a couple indiscernible keys
are struck and the wave creates a dissonance within our reasoning.
In fact, many are the times I wonder from whence
cometh those odd creations that sit upon the shelf and cling to the canvas.
Was H. Arendt an artist as well as a philosopher? Truly inspiring topic.
Regards, Carolsan
> Wes the man wrote me offlist:
>
> RushI ran across this quote and thought you might agree:
>
> 'This inherent worldliness of the artist is not changed if a "non
objective
> art" replaced the representation of things; to mistake this
non-objectivity
> for subjectivity, where the artist feels called upon to "express himself',
> his subjective feelings, is the mark of charlatans, not of artists. The
> artist, wheter painter or sculp;tor or poet or musician, produces worldly
> objects, and his reification has nothing in common with the highly
> questionable and, at any rate, wholly inartistic practice of
expressionism.
> Expressionist art, but not abstract art, is a contradiction in terms'.
> --Hannah Arendt ("The Human Condition" Quoted in "A Concise History of
> Modern Painting")
>
> Wes
> Wes Rolley
>
> "Happiness is to be fully engaged in the activity that you believe in and,
> if you are very good at it, well that's a bonus." -- Henry Moore
>
> http://www.refpub.com
>
> You dog, you rascal; asking me4 a question with four or five ob words
> in the first sentence......After a bottle of Pinot Grigio and several Red
> Stripes I am ready to answer(got plenty more Red Stripes so not to worry)
I
> think we can make it...It's not like Goria cares or wants any
> attentionHEHEHEHE...She already got hers and when I asked her your
question
> she said "I was only listening half the time"....My son tried to help but
> was too frivolous....My friend Kathy was and is a drunk at heart....My
son's
> girlfriend engaged me for about 30 minutes and agreed with my forming
> opinion....Be aware that i had to read your post five times before I could
> talk about it .....so here comes
> Dear Hannah is absolutely right ......Dear Hannah is absolutely
> wrong......
> Yes an artist has to objectively control the medium to produce the
> object
> Although the artist may be five years old and only know red on the
> living room wall, he must know red on the living room wall ....To discount
> subjectivity is to discount the why the child chose red and the living
room
> as opposed to the garage wall....If he/she paints the garage wall noone
> cares...If he paints the living room, you will beat him and send him to
> therapy where he will learn it's all your fault anyway.....
> I would go so far as to say that after the secret of the chinese
> oxblood became common knowledge there was nothing left but
> expressionism......You can listen to a thousand songs, but until you hear
> Tracy Chapman and BB sing "give me one reason to stay here, and I'll turn
> right back around"....Then you don't know Tracy Chapman and BB.....
> Expressionism(1908-1913) was the Last key in the great
puzzle....Manet
> broke the mold....Van Goph stretched the paradigms and Picasso destroyed
the
> world....There can be no growth without destruction.......The
expressionists
> took the idea that the motif is meaningless and only the emotion
> mattered....Their use of discord color.....Their choice of incidental
motif
> I believe bested Picasso at his own art expanding games...While he
attempted
> to discount the motif(cubism) he quickly moved on with the edge and was
soon
> painting pics of Marie Theresa(The 15 year old delight of an old
> man).....With her he found joy....Do you have to be a charlatan to example
> joy?.......Check a few pics of her and see an artist painting
> joy.......Picasso is the man.....
> I would go so far as to say that "expressionism" is the only valid
form
> left to us....In a world where we are bombarded with puff and commercial
> image only the most vital expression of emotion will even excite our
> interest.....EMOTION....Call it expressionism if you like.....The key is
> emotion....If your work denies emotion it is IMHO dead.....It is bunnies
> Yet if an artist does not have the technical facility to impart the
> emotion to the object then all is lost in the effort....Am I
> Michealangelo???....Can anything be more emotional than the imparting of
> knowledge to man???.....It apppears to me to be some sort of split in the
> human psyche which allows the artist to produce in an objective manner yet
> control the production to produce the emotion to be represented....
> Now we get to my art.....The emotion I want to represent is calm,
> peace....I strive to produce a "happy state in every viewer".....Yet I
have
> spent several of my friends lives in narrowing down that which would
produce
> such positive emotion and reaction....totally objective research......I am
> only close...I can tel l you I think it has more to do with eliminating
the
> negative than accentuating the positive..........
> Thank you Wes, so much, for sending a question that made me think
> WHY?????...I can figure out "how to"; or maybe ask clayart.....When a man
> has made NO money for 12 years he has to be very down with the why....It
is
> something I think only Gloria and my two great kids can impart....Do I
want
> to die with them thinking that "Daddy sure knew how to take care of us
> monitarily," or do I want them to know I looked after their spiritual well
> being.....If you lived poor on the rich side of Dallas, maybe you would
> understand the importance.....
> Hannah was absolutly right and absolutly wrong....What a concept
> Rush
> "I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
> and snakes handy"
> http://www.geocities.com/artimator/index.html
> artimator@earthlink.net
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
>
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