vince pitelka on tue 12 jun 01
> Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to good
> air brushing equipment for glazing pots? I'm gonna get a good enough
> compressor to use for a nail gun, but I have no idea what the best
> no-clog equipment would be...thanks
Jay -
Are you looking for an airbrush or a spraygun? An airbrush only works for
small detail work. If you want to glaze pots you need a spraygun. For
either an airbrush or a spraygun you cannot go wrong with Paasche. Their
spraygun with the one-quart reservoir is a real workhorse, and well worth
the $75 price. You may have to go to an art supply place to get it. If you
need an air brush, the Paasche air-brushes are the most popular ones, and
you can find them in most of the clay catalogs.
If you are on a strict budget, you can buy a "Critter" spraygun or a Bailey
for a little less, but believe me, the Paasche is worth the extra $30 or so.
It will last you a very long time if you take care of it. All of these guns
are external-mix guns, and under no circumstances would you want to get an
internal-mix gun, as is often used for automotive painting.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
jay s. gertz on tue 12 jun 01
Hey there!
Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to good
air brushing equipment for glazing pots? I'm gonna get a good enough
compressor to use for a nail gun, but I have no idea what the best
no-clog equipment would be...thanks
jay
jay s. gertz on wed 13 jun 01
Hey, thanks Vince,
I had meant a spraygun, but did not know what it be called!!! I got an
inkling that I had misstated what I was looking for when folks sent me
links to airbrush sites that obviously were used for detail work like
t-shirts...the old one we use in class here at UNCA is a rather
formidable unit with a 1/2 metal canister.
thanks
jay
jay s. gertz
(jgertz@bulldog.unca.edu)
(828) 251-6627
Cindy Gatto on wed 13 jun 01
Hi Jay:
Paasche makes a great spray gun not necessarily an airbrush but
a great sprayer made especially for glazes, it is there L sprayer. If you go
to their website www.paasche.com you have to look around a bit but you will
find it. It says for glazing and flocking. We use it constantly and it works
great. I did a tile job for Joan Jet with it over 1700 tiles and they came
out great all sprayed with that spray gun, no clogs and no problems. Try it
you'll like it.
Sincerely:
Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn NY 11206
718-218-9424
mudpitnyc@aol.com
www.mudpitnyc.com
jcullen on wed 13 jun 01
Jay,
If you're serious about spraying your glazes, then I would suggest a serious
spraygun. DeVilbiss makes a great spraygun, the EGA-503 (about $180) called
a touch-Up Gun. You can get it with a 390 tip (fine) or a 395 tip (heavy).
They also make an HVLP style spraygun EGHV which uses the same tips but
requires a pressure cannister (extra cost) the pushes the glaze thru the
gun. The EGA sucks the glaze into the gun and the air forces it out. Get the
EGA with the screw on jars (buy several jars) as opposed to the bayonet can.
You can call DeVilbiss for a local distributor, 1-800-445-3988 or check out
www.devilbiss.com.
But, before you even consider buying any of the above, get yourself a good
N95 NIOSH approved respirator mask and some type of spray booth with good
ventilation.
For a low cost spray gun the "Critter" or Bailey or EZE spray guns are fine
for overall spraying.
Best of luck.
KEEP CENTERED
Cullen
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Subject: Air brush equipment
> Hey there!
>
> Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to good
> air brushing equipment for glazing pots? I'm gonna get a good enough
> compressor to use for a nail gun, but I have no idea what the best
> no-clog equipment would be...thanks
>
> jay
>
>
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SAM YANCY on wed 13 jun 01
HI - suggest you check out harborfreight.com and order their HVLP Gravity Feed
Spray gun for $45.95. Item number 43430-75CA. It's great for glazing with very
little overspray or dust - and most important LOW pressure.. I brought it to the
attention of the Pottery teacher at Skyline College last year. He bought on on my
recommendation. In a class room setting, it is used daily by many students with no
problems. I have four myself, two for glazing and two for painting. I was a long
time (20+ years) Custom auto/motorcycle painter before getting to my current LOVE
- POTTERY and CLAY so I have the experience with many many spray guns from pasche
to whatever. You can adjust this recommended gun from a 1/2 inch circle to a fan
width of about 6 inches. Trick is to put on WET coats (two) with about one minute
wait between coats. Also you can shade glazes with this gun. Very easy to do.
This spray gun is easy to clean in plain running water. The glaze should be
strained and about the thickness of cream for best results - its is important to
not clog the gun. Compressor of 1/2 horse (plus recommended) can be used as long
as you have an a storage tank of at least 10 gallons - this is a MUST. Do not buy
oiless or a combination compressor. You want one with a motor and compressor with
a drive belt between. You do not need a turbine high flow - low pressure
compressor. Harbor freight usually has what you need for about $200 or so. Don't
skimp on the compressor. Once you have one, you will always find a new need for
it. Actual pressure at the gun is about 5-6 pounds so no or very little overspray
and a very clean shop - also at least 80% of the glaze gets to your creation so
very little glaze loss. Sorry about the rambling -hope this helps you-all out
here. Sam (and Mary Jean) in FOGGY Daily City California, near the Beach. Peace!!!
P.S. If you want more info on how to use this gun or special techniques like
shading or pattern painting , send me a question.
Cindy Gatto wrote:
> Hi Jay:
> Paasche makes a great spray gun not necessarily an airbrush but
> a great sprayer made especially for glazes, it is there L sprayer. If you go
> to their website www.paasche.com you have to look around a bit but you will
> find it. It says for glazing and flocking. We use it constantly and it works
> great. I did a tile job for Joan Jet with it over 1700 tiles and they came
> out great all sprayed with that spray gun, no clogs and no problems. Try it
> you'll like it.
> Sincerely:
> Mark Petrin
> The Mudpit
> 228 Manhattan Ave
> Brooklyn NY 11206
> 718-218-9424
> mudpitnyc@aol.com
> www.mudpitnyc.com
>
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jay s. gertz on thu 14 jun 01
Thanks Sam,
That information is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for...equipment and
technique. Appreciate yer takin' the time
jay
jay s. gertz
(jgertz@bulldog.unca.edu)
(828) 251-6627
Ray Gonzalez on sat 16 jun 01
i must agree with vince on the external mix factor. i painted auto graphics
and did sign work in addition to an "on the side" airbrushing job several
years ago. i painted many many tee shirts, soccer banners, helmets, cars,
etc. when first confronted with the issue of what vince said, i responded
in my head, "i use a dual action (as opposed to single action) suction feed
(as opposed to gravity fed) binks touch up gun to spray all my pots. it has
a nice fan, covers up to 12" etc etc." then i began to think, "yeah, but i
know that thing inside out. i know airbrushes and sprayguns. when it
clogs, i know where it is clogged and why." so i must agree, now. those
little paasche guns are workhorses for what we do as potters. they do not
have nearly the control that i have with my gun but you are looking to get
glaze down in the most efficient manner.
if you are looking for airbrushes (more detail) i would be happy to help
you that way too, i have an arsenol of them. probably 8-10 or so. in
reguards to the HVLP that someone spoke of, that is what you use to paint
cars! HVLP=High Volume Low Pressure. several years ago when the EPA and
OSHA outlawed the use of gravity fed guns in the auto paint industry because
of excessive overspray, they resorted to HVLP's. i had one.. stopped using
it for so long that i sold it cheap to my boss. mine was about a $250 gun
as i recall. de vilbis. the advantage is that you have little overspray,
and as the name implies, low pressure is required to spray. as for harbor
freight having a cheap one, my opinion, you get what you pay for. i have
had more of their stuff fall apart on me... binks, paasche, badger, de
vilbis, iwatta.... all names we know and trust. you will always be able to
find parts for one when you need it.
good luck!
ray
> > Would anyone be so kind as to point me in the right direction as to good
> > air brushing equipment for glazing pots? I'm gonna get a good enough
> > compressor to use for a nail gun, but I have no idea what the best
> > no-clog equipment would be...thanks
>
> Jay -
> Are you looking for an airbrush or a spraygun? An airbrush only works for
> small detail work. If you want to glaze pots you need a spraygun. For
> either an airbrush or a spraygun you cannot go wrong with Paasche. Their
> spraygun with the one-quart reservoir is a real workhorse, and well worth
> the $75 price. You may have to go to an art supply place to get it. If
you
> need an air brush, the Paasche air-brushes are the most popular ones, and
> you can find them in most of the clay catalogs.
>
> If you are on a strict budget, you can buy a "Critter" spraygun or a
Bailey
> for a little less, but believe me, the Paasche is worth the extra $30 or
so.
> It will last you a very long time if you take care of it. All of these
guns
> are external-mix guns, and under no circumstances would you want to get an
> internal-mix gun, as is often used for automotive painting.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
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Susan Fox-Hirschmann on tue 19 jun 01
Does anyone have the website for the devilbis company that makes airbrush
booths? perhaps I have the wrong spelling.
Thanks.
Susan fox Hirschmann
>From: Cindy Gatto
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Air brush equipment
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:07:45 EDT
>
>Hi Jay:
> Paasche makes a great spray gun not necessarily an airbrush
>but
>a great sprayer made especially for glazes, it is there L sprayer. If you
>go
>to their website www.paasche.com you have to look around a bit but you will
>find it. It says for glazing and flocking. We use it constantly and it
>works
>great. I did a tile job for Joan Jet with it over 1700 tiles and they came
>out great all sprayed with that spray gun, no clogs and no problems. Try it
>you'll like it.
>Sincerely:
>Mark Petrin
>The Mudpit
>228 Manhattan Ave
>Brooklyn NY 11206
>718-218-9424
>mudpitnyc@aol.com
>www.mudpitnyc.com
>
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Philip Poburka on tue 19 jun 01
Dear Susan,
My old variable-fan Spray Gun, or 'Atomizer', reads "Devilbiss Mfg.Co. -
Toledo, Ohio U.S.A."
Worse come to worse, try 'Information' for Toledo...
But too, you could try the 'phone-Book for your area, under
"Automobile-Painting-Supplies"...they'd likely have a lead for what you
want...
Too...why not build a 'spray-booth'?...or 'Air-brush' booth?
There is not much to one of them...cost you a fraction of what it would cost
to buy one...
What kind of 'painting' are you intending?
'Pots'?
Peterbuilts?
Aeroplanes?
Airbrush is a small step up from a 'mouth-blow-atomizer'...there would be
minute 'spray' to worry about...just set a two foot fan on 'low' behind you,
and 'go'...or...do it outside...or...what are you doing that needs a
'Booth'?
Philip
Las vegas...
> Does anyone have the website for the devilbis company that makes airbrush
> booths? perhaps I have the wrong spelling.
> Thanks.
> Susan fox Hirschmann
>
>
> >From: Cindy Gatto
> >Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Air brush equipment
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:07:45 EDT
> >
> >Hi Jay:
> > Paasche makes a great spray gun not necessarily an airbrush
> >but
> >a great sprayer made especially for glazes, it is there L sprayer. If you
> >go
> >to their website www.paasche.com you have to look around a bit but you
will
> >find it. It says for glazing and flocking. We use it constantly and it
> >works
> >great. I did a tile job for Joan Jet with it over 1700 tiles and they
came
> >out great all sprayed with that spray gun, no clogs and no problems. Try
it
> >you'll like it.
> >Sincerely:
> >Mark Petrin
> >The Mudpit
> >228 Manhattan Ave
> >Brooklyn NY 11206
> >718-218-9424
> >mudpitnyc@aol.com
> >www.mudpitnyc.com
> >
>
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cd on wed 20 jun 01
http://www.devilbiss.com/
Craig
Snail Scott on wed 20 jun 01
I have just one DeVilbiss toy. Got it for two bucks
at a garage sale. (That's probably what it cost new,
but I've never seen another before or since.)
It was actually intended as a medical device, from
before the days of pre-packaged nasal spray!
It's a squeeze-bulb atomizer; works like a low-tech
airbrush. It's got a little glass jar for the stuff,
and seems to function on a venturi-type effect. It's
hard to keep it clean, since it wasn't designed for
particulates, but for small jobs it's much more
convenient than hauling out my airbrush and its
noisy little compressor. (The 'cool/weird/old thing'
factor is pretty high, too.)
-Snail
Philip on thu 21 jun 01
Dear Snail,
It may not be a 'toy'...do you remember that in some burlesques of
'Opera-Singers', an atomizer would be resorted to, to mist some concoction,
to soothe the Vocal
Cords...these were popular for that use in the last half of the last
Century...I cannot just
now recall the nomenclature...but the 'Spray-Guns' , the 'Air-Brushes' etc.,
evolved from these, and
the early spray guns retained the nominclature...among other terms, as
'Atomizers'.
Long before these was the 'Blow-Pipe' for atomizeing, and these still are
occasionally resorted to here and there...Artists used to use them for
'spraying' (misting) a fixative on drawings done in chalk or
charcoal...these were the same arrangement as your atomizer likely is, only
instead of the 'squeeze-bulb', one blew the air themselves.
My little Devilbiss was too early for them to identify from existing
records, (or existing interest?)
when I spoke with them, other than it has 'proprietary' threads for it's
screws and fittings,
is nickel plated...has the fan spray adjustments, and is sweet as a pea.
It is a Type "C" serial number 757...'patent-pending'...maybe ohs..don't
know...teens...?
I used to use a hand pump 'Bug--Sprayer' to mist 'Glaze' on my Pots..rotate
them on the Wheel, and pump away...(sieve first!) my Kitchen Bowl on the
S.U.C.C.A.W.S. was done that way...these were 'atomizers' as well, same
venturi effect...just a resovior with a Bicycle-like pump on it...it worked
well...very even and precise.
Regards,
Phil
Las Vegas...
> I have just one DeVilbiss toy. Got it for two bucks
> at a garage sale. (That's probably what it cost new,
> but I've never seen another before or since.)
>
> It was actually intended as a medical device, from
> before the days of pre-packaged nasal spray!
>
> It's a squeeze-bulb atomizer; works like a low-tech
> airbrush. It's got a little glass jar for the stuff,
> and seems to function on a venturi-type effect. It's
> hard to keep it clean, since it wasn't designed for
> particulates, but for small jobs it's much more
> convenient than hauling out my airbrush and its
> noisy little compressor. (The 'cool/weird/old thing'
> factor is pretty high, too.)
> -Snail
>
>
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Jocelyn McAuley on thu 28 jun 01
> Paasche makes a great spray gun not necessarily an airbrush but
> a great sprayer made especially for glazes, it is there L sprayer. If you go
> to their website www.paasche.com you have to look around a bit but you will
> find it. It says for glazing and flocking. We use it constantly and it works
Hi,
the url is http://www.paascheairbrush.com/
thanks for the spray gun information!
--
Jocelyn McAuley ><<'> jocie@worlddomination.net
Eugene, Oregon
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