Julie Holmes on fri 22 jun 01
I am building a small natural gas kiln in our garage. The kiln includes
enough ports in it for soda but I will use it as a reduction kiln until I
learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage. Some
of the metal items can be moved (ie - ladders and lawnmowers.) However, the
garage door opener my husband recently installed is there to stay. I
suspect the rods/beams for the door opener are galvanized steel.
I would like to learn more about the corrosion process without doing it to
my garage. Your thoughts and sources of information on this (ie - books or
websites) would be appreciated.
Thanks -
Julie
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in everything."
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Snail Scott on fri 22 jun 01
At 03:06 PM 6/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
>...I will use it as a reduction kiln until I
>learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage...
It's INSIDE the garage? How well is it
vented (or isolated)?
-Snail
Earl Brunner on fri 22 jun 01
I'm having a hard time visualizing a gas kiln of ANY size in a
traditional garage.
Let alone a vapor kiln.
What do the building code people say about this?
What does your homeowners insurance company say about it?
And as far as the fumes go.....Good luck, do you have a nice life
insurance policy?
Julie Holmes wrote:
> I am building a small natural gas kiln in our garage. The kiln includes
> enough ports in it for soda but I will use it as a reduction kiln until I
> learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage. Some
> of the metal items can be moved (ie - ladders and lawnmowers.) However, the
> garage door opener my husband recently installed is there to stay. I
> suspect the rods/beams for the door opener are galvanized steel.
>
> I would like to learn more about the corrosion process without doing it to
> my garage. Your thoughts and sources of information on this (ie - books or
> websites) would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Julie
>
> Cool quote for today:
> "...tongues in trees, books in running brooks, sermons in stones and good
> in everything."
> -Shakespeare
> As You Like It
>
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Julie Holmes on mon 25 jun 01
It's INSIDE the garage? How well is it
> vented (or isolated)?
The garage is a separate building from the house. The kiln has a chimney
built up through the roof of the garage. Aside from the garage doors, there
are two windows and a side entry door on the building.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snail Scott"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Soda firing and corrosiveness
> At 03:06 PM 6/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >...I will use it as a reduction kiln until I
> >learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage...
>
>
> It's INSIDE the garage? How well is it
> vented (or isolated)?
> -Snail
>
>
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vince pitelka on tue 26 jun 01
> I am building a small natural gas kiln in our garage. The kiln includes
> enough ports in it for soda but I will use it as a reduction kiln until I
> learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage.
Some
> of the metal items can be moved (ie - ladders and lawnmowers.) However,
the
> garage door opener my husband recently installed is there to stay. I
> suspect the rods/beams for the door opener are galvanized steel.
Julie -
This is a bad idea. You do not want to soda fire indoors except in a kiln
room with industrial ventilation specifically designed to handle all of the
residual fumes, because otherwise those fumes will seriously corrode all
steel surfaces, and will attack other metals to a lesser degree. They will
especially play havoc with electrical connections in switches, lamp
fixtures, motors, etc. Neither soda firing nor salt firing are particularly
toxic, but both are serious irritants, and both produce extremely corrosive
fumes. Soda is not less corrosive than salt, as many people believe. As
you know, after you charge with salt or soda, the fumes will come out of the
charging ports and spyholes and any other gaps in the kiln.
Why not build the kiln under a shed outside of the garage?
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Julie Holmes on tue 26 jun 01
Vince and other respondents -
Thank you for your responses regarding my question about the kiln, garage
and soda firing.
To follow up:
1) Gas kiln sans soda or salt is the plan for now
2) Yes - my homeowners insurance policy is updated to reflect this project
3) I'm curious about the industrial ventilation systems out there. Any
further info would be appreciated
4) Although our 50+ year old house is small - the separate garage is pretty
large (24ft X 28ft) and has space for a small kiln. Also - we're in an
urban setting so a separate shed on the property is not an option.
Thanks again to those of you who offered specific data and alternative ideas
so that I could make an informed decision about this project. It's what
makes Clayart so great!
All the best -
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Soda firing and corrosiveness
> > I am building a small natural gas kiln in our garage. The kiln includes
> > enough ports in it for soda but I will use it as a reduction kiln until
I
> > learn more about the corrosiveness of soda on the metal in our garage.
> Some
> > of the metal items can be moved (ie - ladders and lawnmowers.) However,
> the
> > garage door opener my husband recently installed is there to stay. I
> > suspect the rods/beams for the door opener are galvanized steel.
>
> Julie -
> This is a bad idea. You do not want to soda fire indoors except in a kiln
> room with industrial ventilation specifically designed to handle all of
the
> residual fumes, because otherwise those fumes will seriously corrode all
> steel surfaces, and will attack other metals to a lesser degree. They
will
> especially play havoc with electrical connections in switches, lamp
> fixtures, motors, etc. Neither soda firing nor salt firing are
particularly
> toxic, but both are serious irritants, and both produce extremely
corrosive
> fumes. Soda is not less corrosive than salt, as many people believe. As
> you know, after you charge with salt or soda, the fumes will come out of
the
> charging ports and spyholes and any other gaps in the kiln.
>
> Why not build the kiln under a shed outside of the garage?
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
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