Sarah Gressler on thu 12 jul 01
I'd like to thank all of you who responded to my
request for information. I'll check in to all of your
suggestions.
I feel I need more practice at this point than I do
class time. If there are any potters out there who
would like to sell me studio time in my area I'd like
to hear from you. When I was in Oklahoma At the City
Arts Center I could take a class and get free studio
time when classes where not in session. I am concerned
that if I take a class from a University I will not
get the practice time I am looking for.
-Sarah Gressler
McKinney, Tx
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Cate Loveland on wed 26 jun 02
I confess to a little confusion.I have been reading all these posts about
pricing work appropriately...not undercutting those who make their living
through pots, who have overhead, etc., and then this new thread on making (to
sell) pots at "art centers"... well, aren't people who make pots to sell on
community equipment competing directly without having the expense of the
kiln, wheel, space,etc that the rest of us do?
And would not the city government be subsidizing these people, to the
detriment of those of us who sell pots, pay sales tax and property tax, etc?
Would this in fact not be grounds for a suit against said city? Farfetched,
but that is how lawyers think.
In any other job, what you create during working hours is "work for hire"
which belongs completely to the employer unless there is a specific written
agreement to the contrary. If you want it to be different, get it written
into your contract. Although it feels intuitively like "If I made it, it's
mine," particularly since the main job is teaching, and the pots are just a
by-product, it ain't so. Not unless it's in writing.
If you are in this kind of situation, be creative...see if you can donate
your stuff to "empty bowls" or raffle it off for buying new
equipment/supplies for disadvantaged kids or whatever.
Cate in Tucson, where it's getting hotter and hotter, and the humidity is so
low that the clay is drying on my fingers before I can get it onto the pots!
Earl Brunner on wed 26 jun 02
You noticed that did you? Funny how one thread can relate to another.
I think that to some extent it might depend on how much the municipality
is paying the instructors. Use of the studio might actually be part of
the pay for services rendered. We had a situation once in college where
one of the students did some unethical things to other students and we
used this very argument to end the use of the school facilities to make
none class projects. Up to that point, the school had tolerated some
production work being done by the students if it helped them stay in
school and didn't interfere with the process for everyone else. Some of
us with our own studios actually threatened the school with a lawsuit
attacking their tax free status. The abuses stopped.
At the art center we have one instructor that makes more than all the
other instructors combined. This isn't fair and he should be limited.
However I think that the art center should be tolerant of the occasional
piece that is made for demonstration purposes and allow the instructor
to keep it. Why would I want to do some of my best creativity and just
give it away? When I make something "good" I have a hard enough time
selling it. It is going to stifle my creativity and my interest in
doing good work in class if it isn't mine. Make me pay for the clay,
the glaze, the firing, but if I can't keep at least some of the stuff, I
am not going to be that crazy about working there.
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
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From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On
Behalf Of Cate Loveland
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:30 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Art Centers
I confess to a little confusion.I have been reading all these posts
about
pricing work appropriately...not undercutting those who make their
living
through pots, who have overhead, etc., and then this new thread on
making (to
sell) pots at "art centers"... well, aren't people who make pots to
sell on
community equipment competing directly without having the expense of the
kiln, wheel, space,etc that the rest of us do?
And would not the city government be subsidizing these people, to the
detriment of those of us who sell pots, pay sales tax and property tax,
etc?
Would this in fact not be grounds for a suit against said city?
Farfetched,
but that is how lawyers think.
Giles on thu 27 jun 02
My first reaction to this thread was indignation. They can't have my
pots!-- but on second thought, I rarely make work in class demonstrations
that I want to keep. The center where I teach lets me use the facility
outside of class time in return for firing etc. (lots of etc.!) When I am
teaching, I am usually demonstrating things that don't look a whole lot like
my regular work. Many skills I use only in the classroom. When I am
teaching, my time belongs to my students. I don't have time in a demo to
reach the level of finishing and craftsmanship I want in my work without
taking all of my students time. They want to play too! When a few things
do make it all the way through the process, I have been know to number them
and have the students draw lots to see who takes them home. They love it,
and I am saved the problem of what to do with an odd lot of pots that
doesn't look right with my other stuff.
Kristen Giles
mel jacobson on sun 18 jul 04
the art center is now potters
working all over the world.
15,000 or more in america alone.
no need to all work in one place.
bumping in to each other.
do it at home.
where you live, in your state or region.
clay comes on a truck, or a train car.
as richard says so well. live wherever you want.
mel
From:
Minnetonka, Minnesota, U.S.A.
web site: my.pclink.com/~melpots
or try: http://www.pclink.com/melpots
new/ http://www.rid-a-tick.com
Christy Pines on mon 19 jul 04
When travelling to North Carolina this summer, going through Virginia (just like last year, only this year I avoided the pottery that threw me out), I stopped at the Artisans Center of Virginia, in Waynesboro. 3500 square feet retail and exhibition gallery, it's been there since 2000.
At breakfast at the Iris Inn, a guest asked if my state has such a place - dedicated to displaying and selling and promoting the works of artists of the state. I had to admit I did not know, but I don't think we do (in Connecticut).
Even if we don't have to be in one place, what a great idea that the state has decided that the work of its artists is important enough to have a place where their work can be seen. If, in days gone by, people knew that to find pots you go to "Jugtown" and if that place no longer exists (For whatever reason), I think it's good that there is still a way to find the work of local artists and not have to travel the entire state to do that.
christy in connecticut where the test firing of the new L&L went swimmingly and the first bisque fire is in progress.
cpines at ix.netcom.com
mel wrote:
the art center is now potters
working all over the world.
15,000 or more in america alone.
no need to all work in one place.
bumping in to each other.
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