Anne Pfeiffer on thu 19 jul 01
I like that study too, since it justifies my method of housekeeping, as well as why my two boys are often seen in public covered in mud (they are big mountain bikers).
It is also interesting how popular clay classes are with kids. Perhaps an instinctual urge to play in mud aids our survival. Why don't we start a rumour?
Charlie and Linda Riggs on fri 20 jul 01
About dirty kids...a romp in the mud is a good thing. But just like anything else, those" good old days" before our obsessions with hygiene also had a horrible infant
mortality rate---many times due to infant diarrhea caused by lack of sanitation. So true, the ones that lived may have had some good antibodies built up in defense of
the microbial world---but let's not forget the complete picture of life before our present-day sanitation standards.
Linda Riggs who, in a life before clay, worked in rural health projects in the mountain villages of Honduras. My own accumulated hours on the porcelain convinced me of
the wonders of modern hygiene.
Susan Otter on fri 20 jul 01
In a message dated 7/20/01 9:30:12 AM, fireclay@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
<< Hi all,
About dirty kids...a romp in the mud is a good thing. But just like anything
else, those" good old days" before our obsessions with hygiene also had a
mortality rate---many times due to infant diarrhea caused by lack of
I think most of the people who think that we "protect" our children too much
from germs are ... younger than me.
So they don't remember polio epidemics. Their house was never quarantined for
three weeks because someone had scarlet fever. They didn't miss 3 - 4 weeks
of school a year because of measles (both kinds), mumps, chicken pox and a
myriad of other childhood ailments that are almost never seen any more.
They didn't see their friend nearly die of whooping cough (and be desperately
sick for eight weeks, with the baby raised by distant relatives during that
time, wrenched from her family because whooping cough is SO dangerous -- as
in brain damage -- to babies who survive it) -- because the inoculation had
JUST come out and few had had it. I was very lucky that I did, or no doubt I
would have caught it from her. You could hear her from across the street
through two sets of closed windows.
They didn't see their three cousins spend a total of three years and nine
months in the hospital from rheumatic fever. They weren't there when my
cousin was administered last rites (although my aunt was), and they didn't
see a new miracle drug -- ACTH -- dramatically pull her back, literally, from
death (she was one of the first five children in the country to receive it).
It's really easy to credit the environment with building our children's
immunity system, but the truth is that the children who are not inoculated
are protected by the children who are. I don't resent that. I believe firmly
in a parent's right to choose. But I hate to see erroneous conclusions drawn.
Susan Otter on fri 20 jul 01
In a message dated 7/20/01 5:34:02 PM, chris@CCPOTS.COM writes:
<< I was speaking about common things such as
Chris, you said what you had to say about it, and I had what I had to say
I wasn't saying anything *about you,* honest. :)
Chris Clarke on sat 21 jul 01
I don't think anyone was speaking against immunization. My children have all
their shots, although my oldest is up for a booster within the week. I
myself had a booster(mmr) after my youngest was born because the test showed
something was lacking. What we are talking about is anti-bacterial
everything. The mold in clay ain't killed me yet and I don't think it will,
I've had my hep shots, tetanus and everything else. But I don't think there
is a mold shot.
I think your going the wrong way with this. No I wasn't there, I didn't see
any of it. I'm 31 and I benefited from all the shots (except the one that
made a scar on your arm, small pox I believe). I'm not sure if anyone said
not to get your kids shots, but I was speaking about common things such as
colds. Kids should be inoculated, it not only protects them but also my kid
who is sitting next to them. chris