Fredrick Paget on thu 9 aug 01
>Well, so far we've sold about 210 copies. .....
>The current quote for 500 copies is about $21 per book. If we sell 1000 =
>copies, it's about $18 per book. If we sell 2000 copies (be still my =
>heart!) the price drops even more dramatically..
Hi,
I wonder if you ever heard of this printer:
Cookbook Publishers inc
10800 Lakeview Ave
POBox 15920
Lenexa KS 66285-9802
1-800-227-7282
http://www.cookbookpublishers.com
My wife, Nan, has done two cookbooks using this firm and the price per copy
is a way less than you are being quoted by your printer. They had an
initial order of 200 printed and reordered 200 more a little later. They
were selling the books for $10 and making money on them.
There is a price sheet on the web site and it appears they get 3 to 5
dollars per copy depending on how many recipes there are in the book and
how many you buy.
This was the second book she did and it was for the Marin Republican
Women,Federated. This was about a year and a half ago . Cookbook Publishers
did all the typing and setup.
Seven years ago she did her first cookbook for her church and Nan did all
the layout in Pagemaker and later found out that they would do it.
These cookbooks are totally in black and white. I don't know about color.
You might be able to bind in the color pictures in a separately printed
section.
The way they are bound is the edges of the pages are punched with
rectangular holes all along the edge and a plastic binding that works like
a spiral binding is used.
Page size is 6 x 9 inches. The covers are heavy stock and are plastic
laminated. In the books my wife did, there are about 100 pages + a few
pages of boilerplate that the cookbook company provides.
If you get up against it you could slip back to this option so that the
project doesn't die.
Fred Paget
>From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
L. P. Skeen on thu 9 aug 01
Well, so far we've sold about 210 copies. We need to sell a MINIMUM =
(can I say that any louder?) *******MINIMUM************* of 500 copies =
in order to print this book, unless somebody generous comes up with some =
seed money to get the ball rolling. Two different people have advised =
me to ask on list for seed money just to save my sanity ;0), but I have =
resisted doing so, because we are so far along in the process. The =
facts are these:
The current quote for 500 copies is about $21 per book. If we sell 1000 =
copies, it's about $18 per book. If we sell 2000 copies (be still my =
heart!) the price drops even more dramatically. Any and all profit goes =
directly to the Clayart fund, period. I am not getting paid one thin =
dime for my time or effort on selling the book, and let me just say that =
my time and effort have been considerable. I'm not complaining, just =
stating a fact. I have spent over 24 hours on layout alone, NOT =
including editing recipes, cropping photos, trips to the printer, =
setting up the website, and begging folks to PLEASE BUY THIS BOOK! When =
I took all the stuff to the printer, I realized that _I_ don't even have =
an image in the book. I am going to have to get one scanned and drop =
off at the printer for inclusion! The only way I make any money at all =
is if you happen to order soaps at the same time you order your =
cookbook. ;0)
Bill Jones is going to put a blurb or ad of some kind in PMI for us. =
Ruth Butler has declined, based on their policy of a. not recommending =
books that are as yet unpublished and b. no free advertising for anyone. =
I suggested then that she could do a piece on the formation of the =
Clayart Fund, and include a blurb about the cookbook as an aside, but =
have not heard back. I wrote to Polly Beach last week and have recieved =
absolutely NO response from CT whatsoever. (If any of you has any pull =
with anyone at CT , please have a word with them on our behalf.)
If you are a reseller (ie: Brian at Highwater, or Howard Axner), and =
would like to carry the cookbook in your store, please contact me =
offlist. If you do not live in the USA and would like a shipping quote, =
contact me offlist. lpskeen@living-tree.net
As for everyone else, if you have NOT ordered your cookbooks yet because =
you are waiting to see what it will look like, I have put a mock-up of =
the book on the webpage. I don't have the cover done yet, and frankly =
would not be inclined to reveal it yet, 'cuz I want it to be a =
surprise!!! :) Please go order your copies at =
www.living-tree.net/schedule.htm
This thing will NOT be printed if we don't sell 500 copies.
L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery & Handmade Soaps, Summerfield, NC
Info about the SESoapers conference: =
http://sasoapmakers.homestead.com/SASconference.html
"Just because nobody understands you does NOT mean that you are an =
artist."
Kenneth J. Nowicki on fri 10 aug 01
Wow... my heart just sank when I read this post tonight. All that effort and
time by Lisa (with no pay) ...and all the efforts of the contributors to get
their recipes and photos to Lisa ready to publish ...and to hear that we are
LESS THAN HALF way there in sales of copies of this cookbook in order to get
it published.
Would be a huge disappointment if this project stalled due to lack of sales.
I think it's such a damn cool idea too. Well guys... I bought my 12 copies
already... and that's probably more than most... and I can't afford to buy
anymore at this time. Sure wish I had a solution. :-( Hate to see his thing
get dumped. I'll keep trying to think of a way to help if I can.
Ken
in Encino, CA (soon to be Long Island, NY)
..........................................................................
In a message dated 08/09/01 Lisa Skeen wrote:
> Well, so far we've sold about 210 copies. We need to sell a MINIMUM (can
> I say that any louder?) *******MINIMUM************* of 500 copies in order
to
> print this book, unless somebody generous comes up with some seed money to
> get the ball rolling. Two different people have advised me to ask on list
> for seed money just to save my sanity ;0), but I have resisted doing so,
> because we are so far along in the process. The facts are these:
>
> The current quote for 500 copies is about $21 per book. If we sell 1000
> copies, it's about $18 per book. If we sell 2000 copies (be still my
heart!)
> the price drops even more dramatically. Any and all profit goes directly to
> the Clayart fund, period. I am not getting paid one thin dime for my time
or
> effort on selling the book, and let me just say that my time and effort
have
> been considerable. I'm not complaining, just stating a fact. I have spent
> over 24 hours on layout alone, NOT including editing recipes, cropping
photos,
> trips to the printer, setting up the website, and begging folks to PLEASE
> BUY THIS BOOK! When I took all the stuff to the printer, I realized that
_I_
> don't even have an image in the book. I am going to have to get one
scanned
> and drop off at the printer for inclusion! The only way I make any money
at
> all is if you happen to order soaps at the same time you order your
cookbook.
> ;0)
>
> Bill Jones is going to put a blurb or ad of some kind in PMI for us. Ruth
> Butler has declined, based on their policy of a. not recommending books
that
> are as yet unpublished and b. no free advertising for anyone. I suggested
> then that she could do a piece on the formation of the Clayart Fund, and
> include a blurb about the cookbook as an aside, but have not heard back. I
> wrote to Polly Beach last week and have received absolutely NO response
from
> CT whatsoever. (If any of you has any pull with anyone at CT , please have
a
> word with them on our behalf.)
>
> If you are a reseller (ie: Brian at Highwater, or Howard Axner), and
would
> like to carry the cookbook in your store, please contact me offlist. If
you
> do not live in the USA and would like a shipping quote, contact me offlist.
> lpskeen@living-tree.net
>
>
> As for everyone else, if you have NOT ordered your cookbooks yet because
you
> are waiting to see what it will look like, I have put a mock-up of the book
> on the webpage. I don't have the cover done yet, and frankly would not be
> inclined to reveal it yet, 'cuz I want it to be a surprise!!! :)
> Please go order your copies at www.living-tree.net/schedule.htm
> This thing will NOT be printed if we don't sell 500 copies.
Earl Brunner on fri 10 aug 01
So we could always do a hanging chad recount.....Hummmmm?
I mean if it would make the difference between a successful venture and
one that isn't....
L. P. Skeen wrote:
> ONly problem with that is that we voted NOT to seek sponsors. OTOH, I don't
> mind if you don't, but I am HORRIBLE at asking for money. That's why
> there's a price tag on all my stuff.....;)
>
> L
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
bruec@anv.net
Jennifer F Boyer on fri 10 aug 01
How about if we have a sponsors page, and look for some. I'm
wiling to call Axners, Sheffield Pottery Supply and Steve
Branman if it seems like a good idea. How about 100.00 a
sponsor.
?
Jennifer
Fredrick Paget wrote:
>
> >Well, so far we've sold about 210 copies. .....
> >The current quote for 500 copies is about $21 per book. If we sell 1000 =
> >copies, it's about $18 per book. If we sell 2000 copies (be still my =
> >heart!) the price drops even more dramatically..
>
> Hi,
> I wonder if you ever heard of this printer:
>
> Cookbook Publishers inc
> 10800 Lakeview Ave
> POBox 15920
> Lenexa KS 66285-9802
> 1-800-227-7282
>
> http://www.cookbookpublishers.com
>
> My wife, Nan, has done two cookbooks using this firm and the price per copy
> is a way less than you are being quoted by your printer. They had an
> initial order of 200 printed and reordered 200 more a little later. They
> were selling the books for $10 and making money on them.
> There is a price sheet on the web site and it appears they get 3 to 5
> dollars per copy depending on how many recipes there are in the book and
> how many you buy.
> This was the second book she did and it was for the Marin Republican
> Women,Federated. This was about a year and a half ago . Cookbook Publishers
> did all the typing and setup.
>
> Seven years ago she did her first cookbook for her church and Nan did all
> the layout in Pagemaker and later found out that they would do it.
>
> These cookbooks are totally in black and white. I don't know about color.
> You might be able to bind in the color pictures in a separately printed
> section.
> The way they are bound is the edges of the pages are punched with
> rectangular holes all along the edge and a plastic binding that works like
> a spiral binding is used.
> Page size is 6 x 9 inches. The covers are heavy stock and are plastic
> laminated. In the books my wife did, there are about 100 pages + a few
> pages of boilerplate that the cookbook company provides.
>
> If you get up against it you could slip back to this option so that the
> project doesn't die.
>
> Fred Paget
>
> >From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
>
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802-223-8926
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Gail Dapogny on fri 10 aug 01
Lisa,
Writing this on the run...haven't been much around (and reading e-mail)
recently.
Sent you a couple of veggie recipes the other day -- maybe too late. Saw
your plea for certain categories.
I can (this a.m.) send you a reliable, easy, delicious bread recipe, also
a wonderful blueberry concoction, but it sounds like you are up to your
ears, and past that phase.
Yes, I will be ordering a book for sure -- soon.
Will check e-mail a little later.
----Gail
gdapogny@umich.edu
L. P. Skeen on fri 10 aug 01
ONly problem with that is that we voted NOT to seek sponsors. OTOH, I don't
mind if you don't, but I am HORRIBLE at asking for money. That's why
there's a price tag on all my stuff.....;)
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer F Boyer
To:
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Cookbook - Progress Report
> How about if we have a sponsors page, and look for some. I'm
> wiling to call Axners, Sheffield Pottery Supply and Steve
> Branman if it seems like a good idea. How about 100.00 a
> sponsor.
> ?
> Jennifer
>
> Fredrick Paget wrote:
> >
> > >Well, so far we've sold about 210 copies. .....
> > >The current quote for 500 copies is about $21 per book. If we sell
1000 =
> > >copies, it's about $18 per book. If we sell 2000 copies (be still my =
> > >heart!) the price drops even more dramatically..
> >
> > Hi,
> > I wonder if you ever heard of this printer:
> >
> > Cookbook Publishers inc
> > 10800 Lakeview Ave
> > POBox 15920
> > Lenexa KS 66285-9802
> > 1-800-227-7282
> >
> > http://www.cookbookpublishers.com
> >
> > My wife, Nan, has done two cookbooks using this firm and the price per
copy
> > is a way less than you are being quoted by your printer. They had an
> > initial order of 200 printed and reordered 200 more a little later. They
> > were selling the books for $10 and making money on them.
> > There is a price sheet on the web site and it appears they get 3 to 5
> > dollars per copy depending on how many recipes there are in the book and
> > how many you buy.
> > This was the second book she did and it was for the Marin Republican
> > Women,Federated. This was about a year and a half ago . Cookbook
Publishers
> > did all the typing and setup.
> >
> > Seven years ago she did her first cookbook for her church and Nan did
all
> > the layout in Pagemaker and later found out that they would do it.
> >
> > These cookbooks are totally in black and white. I don't know about
color.
> > You might be able to bind in the color pictures in a separately printed
> > section.
> > The way they are bound is the edges of the pages are punched with
> > rectangular holes all along the edge and a plastic binding that works
like
> > a spiral binding is used.
> > Page size is 6 x 9 inches. The covers are heavy stock and are plastic
> > laminated. In the books my wife did, there are about 100 pages + a few
> > pages of boilerplate that the cookbook company provides.
> >
> > If you get up against it you could slip back to this option so that the
> > project doesn't die.
> >
> > Fred Paget
> >
> > >From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
> >
> >
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>
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> Thistle Hill Pottery
> 95 Powder Horn Glen Rd
> Montpelier, VT 05602 USA
> 802-223-8926
> http://www.thistlehillpottery.com/
>
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Martin Howard on fri 10 aug 01
You might be able to bind in the color pictures in a separately printed
section.>
At Webbs Cottage we have been acting as publishers for a number of years.
But it's all in black and white, typeset via Word and then Publisher and run
off on a photocopier.
That way you can cut your overheads down considerably and publish limited
runs. I prefer to print just 99 at a time, because that is the limit of runs
on the photocopier.
A good guillotine and a system for binding are needed for finishing. And
then test the first 100 run and just save the masters for the next run.
If you have invested in a colour photocopier, then colour is an added
option.
Martin Howard
Webb's Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
England
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
http://www.webbscottage.co.uk
L. P. Skeen on sat 11 aug 01
It's fine with me, but someone else will have to do the cold calling, and
the sponsors will have to get thier camera-ready, black and white art to me
IMMEDIATELY, and I mean soon. The book is already at the printers getting
laid out.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Brunner
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: Cookbook - Progress Report
> So we could always do a hanging chad recount.....Hummmmm?
> I mean if it would make the difference between a successful venture and
> one that isn't....
>
> L. P. Skeen wrote:
>
> > ONly problem with that is that we voted NOT to seek sponsors. OTOH, I
don't
> > mind if you don't, but I am HORRIBLE at asking for money. That's why
> > there's a price tag on all my stuff.....;)
> >
> > L
>
> --
> Earl Brunner
> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
> bruec@anv.net
>
>
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>
debkaplan3 on sat 11 aug 01
Hi All
I like the idea of sponsors. I'm one of those people who actually enjoy
seeing which company's are supportive to clayartists. Or maybe we could
publish those who have bought a book, similar to the lists of donators one
often sees. It kind of spurrs other people on. I bought 5 books & look
forward to receiving them. Make great holiday gifts!
Debbie Kaplan
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Earl Brunner
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:12 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Cookbook - Progress Report
So we could always do a hanging chad recount.....Hummmmm?
I mean if it would make the difference between a successful venture and
one that isn't....
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