Joan Ashworth on sun 26 aug 01
Ferro in South Africa do not release the formulae of their frits.
Nos 757 and 755 are supposedly the closest things to Ferro 3134 and 3123 =
respectively.
Does anyone know the formulae for 757 and 755?
If so, please please share it!
Joan Ashworth
in Durban
Cobus Potgieter on tue 28 aug 01
This approach is outragous, anf I took this matter up on several occasions
with FERRO (South Africa). They won't disclose anything! I undertook to
sign a document to undertake not to disclose the formulas, and if I do, I
would be liable for a claim for damages (which can be substantial). They
still refused. I have the knowledge and the equipment to make my own frits
if I wanted to, but I simply do not have the time to do it, neither do I
want to. But when you have no other choice in selecting a fiit, what can
you do? We do not live in developed countries where you have a range to
choose from.
Cobus Potgieter.
NAMIBIA CERAMICS Tel: +264-61-264526
PO Box 6742 Fax: +264-61-261590
Ausspannplatz
Windhoek
NAMIBIA
http://www.orusovo.com/namceram
namceram@orusovo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Roy"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Ferro frits 757 and 755
> I realize this is not going to be very helpful to Joan - but I would like
> to warn anyone that using materials that you can't get the analysis for
> puts you at a serious disadvantage. It's a silly game - supposedly to
> prevent the competition from duplicating their frits. How silly - all
> someone has to do is have a frit analysed and duplicate it.
>
> It may be possible to lean on them a bit - there is a way - you sign a non
> disclosure agreement. Trouble is most of us use so little they couldn't
> care less.
>
> I will not use frits I can't get the analysis for - period.
>
> RR
>
>
>
> >Ferro in South Africa do not release the formulae of their frits.
> >Nos 757 and 755 are supposedly the closest things to Ferro 3134 and 3123
> >respectively.
> >
> >Does anyone know the formulae for 757 and 755?
> >
> >If so, please please share it!
> >
> >Joan Ashworth
> >in Durban
> >
>
> Ron Roy
> RR# 4
> 15084 Little Lake Rd..
> Brighton,
> Ontario, Canada
> KOK 1H0
> Residence 613-475-9544
> Studio 613-475-3715
> Fax 613-475-3513
>
>
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Ron Roy on tue 28 aug 01
I realize this is not going to be very helpful to Joan - but I would like
to warn anyone that using materials that you can't get the analysis for
puts you at a serious disadvantage. It's a silly game - supposedly to
prevent the competition from duplicating their frits. How silly - all
someone has to do is have a frit analysed and duplicate it.
It may be possible to lean on them a bit - there is a way - you sign a non
disclosure agreement. Trouble is most of us use so little they couldn't
care less.
I will not use frits I can't get the analysis for - period.
RR
>Ferro in South Africa do not release the formulae of their frits.
>Nos 757 and 755 are supposedly the closest things to Ferro 3134 and 3123
>respectively.
>
>Does anyone know the formulae for 757 and 755?
>
>If so, please please share it!
>
>Joan Ashworth
>in Durban
>
Ron Roy
RR# 4
15084 Little Lake Rd..
Brighton,
Ontario, Canada
KOK 1H0
Residence 613-475-9544
Studio 613-475-3715
Fax 613-475-3513
Ron Roy on wed 29 aug 01
Tell em you are thinking of using 10 skids a year - you may find they will
be more co-operative.
RR
>This approach is outragous, anf I took this matter up on several occasions
>with FERRO (South Africa). They won't disclose anything! I undertook to
>sign a document to undertake not to disclose the formulas, and if I do, I
>would be liable for a claim for damages (which can be substantial). They
>still refused. I have the knowledge and the equipment to make my own frits
>if I wanted to, but I simply do not have the time to do it, neither do I
>want to. But when you have no other choice in selecting a fiit, what can
>you do? We do not live in developed countries where you have a range to
>choose from.
>
>Cobus Potgieter.
>
>NAMIBIA CERAMICS Tel: +264-61-264526
>PO Box 6742 Fax: +264-61-261590
>Ausspannplatz
>Windhoek
>NAMIBIA
Ron Roy
RR# 4
15084 Little Lake Rd..
Brighton,
Ontario, Canada
KOK 1H0
Residence 613-475-9544
Studio 613-475-3715
Fax 613-475-3513
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