Ron Roy on wed 29 aug 01
There - you see - I am not the only one with a facination for handles -
should have known Phil would have it too - makes some fine handles for his
trim tools.
But he likes those round handles better than mine - I will lose some sleep
over this - but there will be a better handle at the end of it.
But - I suspect some of us have not found the right handles yet - to have a
favorite kind can sometimes mean you have not found a better one. I intend
to make that one.
We can go around on this - not one handle fits all jobs - you certanly
don't want to be shoveling snow - we do that up here from time to time -
with a round handle wide shovel - you lose most of the load on the way up
cause it wants to twist - those little spades are a different story.
Anyway Phil - thanks for this - I'm going out to the shed now and look at
some handles - get out those old planes - from Sweden - nice looking
handles - maybe try one of those on a cup/mug/stein.
Oh yes - the business end of a hockey stick is the blade - most blades are
curved now - they have rules about how much you can bend em. When I played
- all blades were straight - a hockey player named Bobby Hull got creative
and bent his. Scored so much everyone started doing it.
Hockey sticks can be used for other things as well - got the scars to prove it.
RR
>I have been enjoying these considerations upon notions of Handles...
>
>When I used to do more Carpentry, I had made my own Hammer Handles...for old
>Heads that I admired...intended for their respective tasks: Frameing (Sturdy
>and long, thick...but sculpted...Heavy-Head)Sheeting (Handle slender and
>long, and having some 'whip', lighter Head) Finish (Shorter, no whip,
>lighter....)
>
>The 'reason' why there is a sectional departure from 'round'...is one of
>tactile orientation:
>One may know the correct disposition, the lay, of the Hamer Head bye the
>feel of the handlein one's grip...one will hold it and know...if the handles
>were round, one would have to visually check and orient this...every second
>or two even....as one use it, it would shift.
>...having an ovoid or similar section, shape...one knows bye feel in holding
>it, just what the orientation of the Poll...the Head....is...and...it does
>not shift, or rotate in the Hand.
>
>Chisel Handles are round...one will allways 'look' anyway, and...there is no
>telling how one will need to orient the blade...equaling, to orient as
>rotate, the handle in the hand...
>
>A Hammer and it's handle are kept in the same hold...one orients the Head
>bye a twist of one's fore-arm.
>
>Shovel Handles...Hoe Handles...any as are 'round'...one orients them, bye
>turning 'them'...the arms stay the same.
>
>Axe, Hatchet, Pick...these are allways oval...you know bye feel, what is the
>attitude or lay of the Axe Head...Hatchet Head...Pick Head...and you better!
>
>A round Handle on an Axe, would be very trying...and would not 'feel' right!
>And, truely... it wouldn't 'work'...
>An oval shovel Handle...wouldn't 'work' very well either...no one who 'Digs'
>would want one!
>
>Hocky sticks too, I would guess - I have never played - is also where one
>needs to know...bye feel...the attitude of the crook or whatever it is..the
>'Business-end' of it...where it is a-pointing...
>
>With that...'Oval' handles...one can tell in pitch darkness, if one
>wanted...where the Head of a tool is pointing, and to a fine degree...
>
>Round handles admit having tools at various axial angles so-to-speak...IN
>the same grip of hand...and where one visually evaluates or guides those
>angles...where the Tool is not married TO a certain relationship of
>how-it-lay, to the arm...in an axial plane I suppose we'll say...
>
>My favorite 'Mugs' have been those made in factories as 'Hall' and
>whomever...maybe about a hundred years back...before that, and maybe more
>recent even...thick...simple...and have a Handle, like a
>Teddy-Bear-Ear...round, and of Round section...whose thickness is about that
>of my ring Finger... like a three-quarter Circle...little hole...almost or
>just big enough...for the middle knuckle, of my middle finger, to
>not-pass...where the knuckle of my index finger, will.
>
>Now...these are what I was allways most innocently drawn to...from my
>earliest memories of having any notice at all.
>I like very much, some other of Mugs too, and they are doing something
>'different' than the old, 'pragmatic' Hall exemplars or other I am referring
>to.
>
>So far as essence and function of the thing...for me...this
>rings-the-bell...no one makes them.
>
>No one ever notices them...if they did, they would say, 'Oh...old 'diner'
>mug...'
>
>And...well...yes and no...mostly no...actually, an emphatic 'no'...
>
>I have seen many old 'Diner Mugs'...most are variously agreeable...few have
>a 'round-section', 'Circular' handle...as this...as the one I am drinking my
>Coffee from one...as I write this.
>
>Some days I drink from one of your sweet Tem-oh-koo Cups of some years
>back...some days from a Tony Clennell Cup which has a sort of
>'dinasaur-skin' way about it...I love these two as well...and they are very
>different from eachother...AND they are 'cups'...they have their
>mood-about-them, and they are just right to be with some of my moods, so I
>am a lucky boy...
>
>I would say that they are 'perfect'...and specific in their way,
>defferential to...how the mood and feel they have goes so nicely with
>certain times and situations...'moods' of mine...
>
>I think that Cups as a form, lend themselve to almost endless variations of
>expression, and that is good for Potters!
>
>To me...a 'Mug' is thick...heavy...and it would seem...to me...that it lends
>itself not, to much variation, if it is to be 'in' the magic of things
>AS...'perfect'...
>
>And is and is of...a different mood...a different 'role'...a different
>presence...they were meant to be "Sturdy"...
>
>A Cup may be large, or small, tall or squat...very mutable perameters...and
>it will be 'light'...
>
>I think potters may have a conflict with aspirations to make Mugs...because
>(To me, at any rate, bye definition, or maybe rather connotation!) Mugs are
>'heavy'...and Potters are used to 'light'...or at least NOT 'Heavy'...not
>THIS 'kind-of'...'heavy'...
>
>Potters speak of 'Mugs', but I allways see 'Cups'...
>
>This old 'Hall'...and it's few bretherin I have on my Cup-Board...to me are
>'Mugs'...the walls may be a half inch thick...more...little round
>handle...'Mug'...some were slip-cast 'whole'...some have the Handle
>attatched, and appear to have been made in two pieces, and assembled...
>
>If you lived closer, we could have Coffee!
>And...it would convey my observation much better than my attempts to
>describe.
>
>In thirty odd years of looking...more...as it were...I have found three of
>these...and...I am allways...'looking'...
>
>I could send a 'jay-peg'?
>
>As a 'form'...these do not lend them selves so readily to the ways a Potter
>likes to make things...one could 'throw' and pull and curl and fit..and make
>these...and it...the magic-of-shape IS subtle with these...they are nor
>'forgiveing' I do not think...they are so Humble, that I doubt anyone would
>want TO make them, or if they did...that hardly anyone would notice them!
>
>Mine are some old 'tin' white...or also of a Cobalt 'Blue'...very deep.
>
>I saw one that was exactly like mine...in a museum...from the belongings of
>an officer, killed in the 'Indian Wars'...Cobalt Blue...'teddy-bear-ear'..
>
>Mine came from a ghost town 'dump'...I got it from a scrounger...who had
>excavated near a Gold MIne...that had pooped out in the eighteen eighties...
>
>But maybe...this 'form' if one pause and let it have it's say...would become
>more appreciated...
Ron Roy
RR# 4
15084 Little Lake Rd..
Brighton,
Ontario, Canada
KOK 1H0
Residence 613-475-9544
Studio 613-475-3715
Fax 613-475-3513
Philip Poburka on fri 31 aug 01
Dear Ron!
No...you cannot say that!
Not that I like these 'Handles' better than yours...rather...
The 'Handles' to which I refer...are the 'teddy-bear' Ear on (very) old
"MUGS".
What I delight in to have and use of You and Tony, are to me, "CUPS", and
splendid Cups they are...
Their 'Handles' are right...like they grew there in innocence, of their own
happy intentions AS 'Cup-with-handle' as a whole...
So...
You cannot...say that!
The 'round' of teddy-bear-ear ON these Old Mugs...would be very difficult to
accomidate 'as' to be sitting nicely...on the side of a 'Cup'...
It would not 'work'...
Thick-as-a-finger, with a knuckle's hole...is 'heavy'...a Heavy-Ear...on a
Heavy-Head...borne lightly, yes...but Heavy none-the-less...
These 'Cup-Handle' ruminations are a mite like wondering of the 'best'
smile one may see of a Girl...or of 'whose' Girl...or when?
And the 'when' has a lot TO do with things...!
Well...they are...when they are...as they are, and they will all...'be'..of
the 'who' what does them...and the 'what' they smile of...they set where
they
belong...
And if one has one...then that one IS...'theirs'...but...there cannot be a
'best'...so much as...a 'when'...
Yes?
Phil
Las Vegas...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Roy"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: Who has found the best handle?
> There - you see - I am not the only one with a facination for handles -
> should have known Phil would have it too - makes some fine handles for his
> trim tools.
>
> But he likes those round handles better than mine - I will lose some
sleep
> over this - but there will be a better handle at the end of it.
>
> But - I suspect some of us have not found the right handles yet - to have
a
> favorite kind can sometimes mean you have not found a better one. I intend
> to make that one.
>
> We can go around on this - not one handle fits all jobs - you certanly
> don't want to be shoveling snow - we do that up here from time to time -
> with a round handle wide shovel - you lose most of the load on the way up
> cause it wants to twist - those little spades are a different story.
>
> Anyway Phil - thanks for this - I'm going out to the shed now and look at
> some handles - get out those old planes - from Sweden - nice looking
> handles - maybe try one of those on a cup/mug/stein.
>
> Oh yes - the business end of a hockey stick is the blade - most blades are
> curved now - they have rules about how much you can bend em. When I played
> - all blades were straight - a hockey player named Bobby Hull got creative
> and bent his. Scored so much everyone started doing it.
> Hockey sticks can be used for other things as well - got the scars to
prove it.
>
> RR
>
>
> >I have been enjoying these considerations upon notions of Handles...
> >
> >When I used to do more Carpentry, I had made my own Hammer Handles...for
old
> >Heads that I admired...intended for their respective tasks: Frameing
(Sturdy
> >and long, thick...but sculpted...Heavy-Head)Sheeting (Handle slender and
> >long, and having some 'whip', lighter Head) Finish (Shorter, no whip,
> >lighter....)
> >
> >The 'reason' why there is a sectional departure from 'round'...is one of
> >tactile orientation:
> >One may know the correct disposition, the lay, of the Hamer Head bye the
> >feel of the handlein one's grip...one will hold it and know...if the
handles
> >were round, one would have to visually check and orient this...every
second
> >or two even....as one use it, it would shift.
> >...having an ovoid or similar section, shape...one knows bye feel in
holding
> >it, just what the orientation of the Poll...the Head....is...and...it
does
> >not shift, or rotate in the Hand.
> >
> >Chisel Handles are round...one will allways 'look' anyway, and...there is
no
> >telling how one will need to orient the blade...equaling, to orient as
> >rotate, the handle in the hand...
> >
> >A Hammer and it's handle are kept in the same hold...one orients the Head
> >bye a twist of one's fore-arm.
> >
> >Shovel Handles...Hoe Handles...any as are 'round'...one orients them, bye
> >turning 'them'...the arms stay the same.
> >
> >Axe, Hatchet, Pick...these are allways oval...you know bye feel, what is
the
> >attitude or lay of the Axe Head...Hatchet Head...Pick Head...and you
better!
> >
> >A round Handle on an Axe, would be very trying...and would not 'feel'
right!
> >And, truely... it wouldn't 'work'...
> >An oval shovel Handle...wouldn't 'work' very well either...no one who
'Digs'
> >would want one!
> >
> >Hocky sticks too, I would guess - I have never played - is also where one
> >needs to know...bye feel...the attitude of the crook or whatever it
is...the
> >'Business-end' of it...where it is a-pointing...
> >
> >With that...'Oval' handles...one can tell in pitch darkness, if one
> >wanted...where the Head of a tool is pointing, and to a fine degree...
> >
> >Round handles admit having tools at various axial angles so-to-speak..IN
> >the same grip of hand...and where one visually evaluates or guides those
> >angles...where the Tool is not married TO a certain relationship of
> >how-it-lay, to the arm...in an axial plane I suppose we'll say...
> >
> >My favorite 'Mugs' have been those made in factories as 'Hall' and
> >whomever...maybe about a hundred years back...before that, and maybe more
> >recent even...thick...simple...and have a Handle, like a
> >Teddy-Bear-Ear...round, and of Round section...whose thickness is about
that
> >of my ring Finger... like a three-quarter Circle...little hole...almost
or
> >just big enough...for the middle knuckle, of my middle finger, to
> >not-pass...where the knuckle of my index finger, will.
> >
> >Now...these are what I was allways most innocently drawn to...from my
> >earliest memories of having any notice at all.
> >I like very much, some other of Mugs too, and they are doing something
> >'different' than the old, 'pragmatic' Hall exemplars or other I am
referring
> >to.
> >
> >So far as essence and function of the thing...for me...this
> >rings-the-bell...no one makes them.
> >
> >No one ever notices them...if they did, they would say, 'Oh...old 'diner'
> >mug...'
> >
> >And...well...yes and no...mostly no...actually, an emphatic 'no'...
> >
> >I have seen many old 'Diner Mugs'...most are variously agreeable...few
have
> >a 'round-section', 'Circular' handle...as this...as the one I am drinking
my
> >Coffee from one...as I write this.
> >
> >Some days I drink from one of your sweet Tem-oh-koo Cups of some years
> >back...some days from a Tony Clennell Cup which has a sort of
> >'dinasaur-skin' way about it...I love these two as well...and they are
very
> >different from eachother...AND they are 'cups'...they have their
> >mood-about-them, and they are just right to be with some of my moods, so
I
> >am a lucky boy...
> >
> >I would say that they are 'perfect'...and specific in their way,
> >defferential to...how the mood and feel they have goes so nicely with
> >certain times and situations...'moods' of mine...
> >
> >I think that Cups as a form, lend themselve to almost endless variations
of
> >expression, and that is good for Potters!
> >
> >To me...a 'Mug' is thick...heavy...and it would seem...to me...that it
lends
> >itself not, to much variation, if it is to be 'in' the magic of things
> >AS...'perfect'...
> >
> >And is and is of...a different mood...a different 'role'...a different
> >presence...they were meant to be "Sturdy"...
> >
> >A Cup may be large, or small, tall or squat...very mutable
perameters...and
> >it will be 'light'...
> >
> >I think potters may have a conflict with aspirations to make
Mugs...because
> >(To me, at any rate, bye definition, or maybe rather connotation!) Mugs
are
> >'heavy'...and Potters are used to 'light'...or at least NOT 'Heavy'...not
> >THIS 'kind-of'...'heavy'...
> >
> >Potters speak of 'Mugs', but I allways see 'Cups'...
> >
> >This old 'Hall'...and it's few bretherin I have on my Cup-Board...to me
are
> >'Mugs'...the walls may be a half inch thick...more...little round
> >handle...'Mug'...some were slip-cast 'whole'...some have the Handle
> >attatched, and appear to have been made in two pieces, and assembled...
> >
> >If you lived closer, we could have Coffee!
> >And...it would convey my observation much better than my attempts to
> >describe.
> >
> >In thirty odd years of looking...more...as it were...I have found three
of
> >these...and...I am allways...'looking'...
> >
> >I could send a 'jay-peg'?
> >
> >As a 'form'...these do not lend them selves so readily to the ways a
Potter
> >likes to make things...one could 'throw' and pull and curl and fit..and
make
> >these...and it...the magic-of-shape IS subtle with these...they are nor
> >'forgiveing' I do not think...they are so Humble, that I doubt anyone
would
> >want TO make them, or if they did...that hardly anyone would notice them!
> >
> >Mine are some old 'tin' white...or also of a Cobalt 'Blue'...very deep.
> >
> >I saw one that was exactly like mine...in a museum...from the belongings
of
> >an officer, killed in the 'Indian Wars'...Cobalt
Blue...'teddy-bear-ear'...
> >
> >Mine came from a ghost town 'dump'...I got it from a scrounger...who had
> >excavated near a Gold MIne...that had pooped out in the eighteen
eighties...
> >
> >But maybe...this 'form' if one pause and let it have it's say...would
become
> >more appreciated...
>
>
> Ron Roy
> RR# 4
> 15084 Little Lake Rd..
> Brighton,
> Ontario, Canada
> KOK 1H0
> Residence 613-475-9544
> Studio 613-475-3715
> Fax 613-475-3513
>
>
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Ron Roy on mon 3 sep 01
I like Phil's connection between a good handle and a smile, a good handle
makes me smile - always will - takes hard work to make a good one - or
should I say hard thought.
As for smilers - I like em.
RR
>These 'Cup-Handle' ruminations are a mite like wondering of the 'best'
>smile one may see of a Girl...or of 'whose' Girl...or when?
Ron Roy
RR# 4
15084 Little Lake Rd..
Brighton,
Ontario, Canada
KOK 1H0
Residence 613-475-9544
Studio 613-475-3715
Fax 613-475-3513
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