artimater on fri 7 sep 01
Pat said:
I realize that, at the point when i start reproducing
one design there is a problem (technically) with the
handmade definition.
You got that right.... huh?
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of =
indulgences and snakes handy"
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Patrick Logue on sat 8 sep 01
I meant a problem according to some of you people.
I'd still like to know what term you would use for
marketing purposes.
pat
--- artimater wrote:
> Pat said:
> I realize that, at the point when i start
> reproducing
> one design there is a problem (technically) with the
> handmade definition.
>
> You got that right.... huh?
> Rush
>
> "I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a
> supply of indulgences and snakes handy"
> http://www.geocities.com/artimator/index.html
> artimator@earthlink.net
>
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Richard Jeffery on sat 8 sep 01
OK - last one then I'm outta here...
CLUNK! [sound of dropping coinage)...
handmade = hand as primary forming tool, rather than as primary making
agent....
WHIRRRRrrrrr..... [sound of mixer giving this one last stir]
I use my hand in my plaster mould to shape my slabs, I use my hand to roll
out thin coils to lute the slabs together, and I use my fingers to smear it
all together - at least as far as I can reach - then I use a stick as a hand
extension. I use my hand, amongst other tools, to finish the surface on the
outside, too.
Now, where does this leave folk who throw with a rib?
Shuuuuutfh.... [sound of closing door behind me]
I've not lost interest in this, but honesty of representation to others and
to yourself seem to be the only points we shall agree. Language - who needs
it.
Richard
Bournemouth UK
www.TheEleventhHour.co.uk
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Subject: handmade(can't resist flogging this dead horse)
Pat said:
I realize that, at the point when i start reproducing
one design there is a problem (technically) with the
handmade definition.
You got that right.... huh?
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
and snakes handy"
http://www.geocities.com/artimator/index.html
artimator@earthlink.net
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Earl Brunner on sat 8 sep 01
I'm done with this THIS TIME:
I don't have a problem with reproducing multiples of a pot if I am
making it by hand.
100-200 mugs, all essentially the same... The hands did it.
I don't have a problem with using parts that are pressed, molded, or in
some other way reproduced. IF IN THE PROCESS of assembling and
modifying the individual pieces you are making a finished product that
was not made in one piece with little or no alteration. Heck,
dressmakers don't make the cloth, the thread, the bias tape. But they
do make the dress. (for the sake of the argument you don't need to
differentiate between using a commercial pattern or not OK?)
People say, "Well, you made that on a wheel, which is a machine, so how
is that different?" I am not sure how to answer that, IF YOU CANNOT
SEE the difference yourself.
On the wheel, you start with a solid mass of clay and control EVERY
aspect of the shape of the finished pot with your hands, (or some other
appendage). It is apparent to me at least, that there is a huge
difference between squeezing the clay between two hands/fingers while it
is spinning, than squeezing the clay between a jigger mold's
pre-established form and a template. If you can't see the difference,
then the discussion is pointless. Catholic and Protestant, Republican
and Democrat, liberal and conservative. Russian and English. Five blind
guys "seeing" the elephant.
Patrick Logue wrote:
> I meant a problem according to some of you people.
> I'd still like to know what term you would use for
> marketing purposes.
> pat
> --- artimater wrote:
>
>> Pat said:
>> I realize that, at the point when i start
>> reproducing
>> one design there is a problem (technically) with the
>> handmade definition.
>>
--
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vince pitelka on sat 8 sep 01
> I meant a problem according to some of you people.
> I'd still like to know what term you would use for
> marketing purposes.
Pat -
I guess I do not understand what you are asking. If you are reproducing the
same design over and over again, but each piece is individually made by hand
without molds, then of course the work is handmade.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
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