Patrick Logue on sun 9 sep 01
All this and you still didnt answer the question.
By your definition I control the entire output of
every piece I make(using press molds that i designed
and made)
What term would you use for marketing?
Pat
--- Earl Brunner wrote:
> I'm done with this THIS TIME:
>
> I don't have a problem with reproducing multiples of
> a pot if I am
> making it by hand.
> 100-200 mugs, all essentially the same... The hands
> did it.
>
> I don't have a problem with using parts that are
> pressed, molded, or in
> some other way reproduced. IF IN THE PROCESS of
> assembling and
> modifying the individual pieces you are making a
> finished product that
> was not made in one piece with little or no
> alteration. Heck,
> dressmakers don't make the cloth, the thread, the
> bias tape. But they
> do make the dress. (for the sake of the argument
> you don't need to
> differentiate between using a commercial pattern or
> not OK?)
>
> People say, "Well, you made that on a wheel, which
> is a machine, so how
> is that different?" I am not sure how to answer
> that, IF YOU CANNOT
> SEE the difference yourself.
> On the wheel, you start with a solid mass of clay
> and control EVERY
> aspect of the shape of the finished pot with your
> hands, (or some other
> appendage). It is apparent to me at least, that
> there is a huge
> difference between squeezing the clay between two
> hands/fingers while it
> is spinning, than squeezing the clay between a
> jigger mold's
> pre-established form and a template. If you can't
> see the difference,
> then the discussion is pointless. Catholic and
> Protestant, Republican
> and Democrat, liberal and conservative. Russian and
> English. Five blind
> guys "seeing" the elephant.
>
> Patrick Logue wrote:
>
> > I meant a problem according to some of you people.
> > I'd still like to know what term you would use for
> > marketing purposes.
> > pat
> > --- artimater wrote:
> >
> >> Pat said:
> >> I realize that, at the point when i start
> >> reproducing
> >> one design there is a problem (technically) with
> the
> >> handmade definition.
> >>
>
> --
> Earl Brunner
> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
> bruec@anv.net
>
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Earl Brunner on sun 9 sep 01
Sorry Patrick, I was afraid you were going to take my response
personal, I even searched in my trash folder for your original post to
e-mail you directly, but with all the viruses floating around, whenever
one comes in, daily it seems lately, I empty my trash folder to get ride
of it.
Anyway my remarks, which happened to be attached as a reply to your
post, were intended as discussion on the thread, not specifically a
response to your message. I realized that later, and didn't want you to
think I was 'dumping' on you.
To your specific question, how about "designed and made by"? But then I
noticed, that you control the entire output, does that mean you
personally, using the press molds make every individual piece? by that I
mean you do not employ anyone else to assist in the productions of these
items?
Controlling the entire output could just mean that someone is working in
quality control and had no hands on involvement. Like many others have
said, I guess you will just have to use the words that you feel honestly
reflect your work. No easy answer.
Patrick Logue wrote:
> All this and you still didnt answer the question.
> By your definition I control the entire output of
> every piece I make(using press molds that i designed
> and made)
> What term would you use for marketing?
> Pat
> --- Earl Brunner wrote:
>
>> I'm done with this THIS TIME:
>>
>> I don't have a problem with reproducing multiples of
>> a pot if I am
>> making it by hand.
>> 100-200 mugs, all essentially the same... The hands
>> did it.
>>
>> I don't have a problem with using parts that are
>> pressed, molded, or in
>> some other way reproduced. IF IN THE PROCESS of
>> assembling and
>> modifying the individual pieces you are making a
>> finished product that
>> was not made in one piece with little or no
>> alteration. Heck,
>> dressmakers don't make the cloth, the thread, the
>> bias tape. But they
>> do make the dress. (for the sake of the argument
>> you don't need to
>> differentiate between using a commercial pattern or
>> not OK?)
>>
>> People say, "Well, you made that on a wheel, which
>> is a machine, so how
>> is that different?" I am not sure how to answer
>> that, IF YOU CANNOT
>> SEE the difference yourself.
>> On the wheel, you start with a solid mass of clay
>> and control EVERY
>> aspect of the shape of the finished pot with your
>> hands, (or some other
>> appendage). It is apparent to me at least, that
>> there is a huge
>> difference between squeezing the clay between two
>> hands/fingers while it
>> is spinning, than squeezing the clay between a
>> jigger mold's
>> pre-established form and a template. If you can't
>> see the difference,
>> then the discussion is pointless. Catholic and
>> Protestant, Republican
>> and Democrat, liberal and conservative. Russian and
>> English. Five blind
>> guys "seeing" the elephant.
>>
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
bruec@anv.net
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