george koller on sun 9 sep 01
I don't know who else saw this in all the postings but I really
think Vince hit the nail precisely on the head in well balanced
and thoughtful terms.
He's good. I think he should write a book or something...
======Here is is:
It means that the maker, via his hands and/or by the tools held in
or controlled by his hands, has primary control of the shape and
form of each and every item, produced individually as a unique piece,
different from all others. In each individual piece there is a
decision-making process regarding shape and form, and it is up to the
eye
and skills of the craftsperson to determine the shape and form of each
piece.
==================
Of course if he is blind and uses his feet..........
Earl Brunner on sun 9 sep 01
Yeah, I liked Vince's definition here too. But now I'm two over my limit.
I said I was done. It must be like the two people fighting over who is
going to have the last word!!! :)
george koller wrote:
> I don't know who else saw this in all the postings but I really
> think Vince hit the nail precisely on the head in well balanced
> and thoughtful terms.
>
> He's good. I think he should write a book or something...
>
>
> ======Here is is:
>
> It means that the maker, via his hands and/or by the tools held in
> or controlled by his hands, has primary control of the shape and
> form of each and every item, produced individually as a unique piece,
> different from all others. In each individual piece there is a
> decision-making process regarding shape and form, and it is up to the
> eye
> and skills of the craftsperson to determine the shape and form of each
> piece.
>
> ==================
>
>
> Of course if he is blind and uses his feet..........
>
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Philip Poburka on mon 10 sep 01
Vince had said...
> It means that the maker, via his hands and/or by the tools held in
> or controlled by his hands, has primary control of the shape and
> form of each and every item, produced individually as a unique piece,
> different from all others. In each individual piece there is a
> decision-making process regarding shape and form, and it is up to the
> eye
> and skills of the craftsperson to determine the shape and form of each
> piece.
Very nice!
And...we must conceed as well, that many very 'similar' of things may
be
made...over a day, week or years...or decades...as qualify...where the form
is meant TO
be nearly identical...oweing to how that is what one is doing...that is what
one does.
To keep them 'that-way' because that way IS the way they wish to be...one
has aquiesced...there may be little room for elaboration or variation...
For nuance...yes...within a decided similarity.
The handles I make...for the 'Tools'...are so.
If I live to be a
hundred...and should make them still...they will still...'look' the 'same'.
There is no other way for
them TO be...without being...less...no way for me to be in how I make
them...without being
less.
That is 'their' form...they ask me to let them be that...I may only say
'yes'.
Amid the pragmatic, in general, there is the guidence of...what is
'pragmatic'...and
when it is respected, there may be an elegence, however humble the
thing...'in' itself...one wishes to allow it to be defferential 'to' it's
use.
The cynacism as disallows or should not respect that, is the bad-name that
fatuous 'Factory' products, and the equally fatuous of 'hand-made' items may
justly earn, and do at times, tho' not near 'enough'.
The lowest ebb yet OF our 'Culture', so far as honest 'pragmatic'
non-electric 'things' go...is...'now'.
'Hand-Tools' have never been steeped in such ignominy as they are
today...howsoever 'made'...
In 'Art' there may be many diverse criteria...as recommend against
repetition or similarity from the same hand...the thing is allowed to
'be'...a
certain way...defferential 'to'...it's use in other terms, than that of...a
reliable and respectful
pragmatic.
There are still pragmatic things 'made'...bye-hand, so to speak, as bye the
above definition (though I suppose, not many...or ummm...hardly 'any'?)
where...they are pretty
consistent year in and decade out... as well they should be, too....if they
are to be answering their Call...
Phil
Las Vegas...
Robert Dye on mon 10 sep 01
This definition looks great in its untouched splendor. What does shape and
form mean? It sounds redundant on the face of it. If shape and form mean
something different, assuming our literate Vince wouldn't be redundant,
then form must mean presentation or how its decorated or all things other
than shape. Must both shape and form vary from piece to piece to be
handmade? Or would a slipcast piece, decorated differently from all others
from the same mold make it handmade? I maintain that "handmade" is an
overly defined term and is not relevant, that intent is.
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:02:12 -0700, Earl Brunner wrote:
> Yeah, I liked Vince's definition here too. But now I'm two over my
limit.
>I said I was done. It must be like the two people fighting over who is
>going to have the last word!!! :)
>
>george koller wrote:
>
>> I don't know who else saw this in all the postings but I really
>> think Vince hit the nail precisely on the head in well balanced
>> and thoughtful terms.
>>
>> He's good. I think he should write a book or something...
>>
>>
>> ======Here is is:
>>
>> It means that the maker, via his hands and/or by the tools held in
>> or controlled by his hands, has primary control of the shape and
>> form of each and every item, produced individually as a unique piece,
>> different from all others. In each individual piece there is a
>> decision-making process regarding shape and form, and it is up to the
>> eye
>> and skills of the craftsperson to determine the shape and form of each
>> piece.
>>
>> ==================
>>
>>
>> Of course if he is blind and uses his feet..........
>>
>>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
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melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
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>Earl Brunner
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>bruec@anv.net
>
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