Tony Ferguson on thu 13 sep 01
I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
which wheel do any of you prefer?
Tony
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Jim Bob Salazar on thu 13 sep 01
hey guys,
wheels, wheels, wheels??!!## well, i have maintained an worked on almost all the popular brands. my opinion, i'll never buy another brent wheel. last
fall i spent $1000 (no kidding) on repair parts for the brent "c" and "cxc" wheels in our studio. by the beginning of spring i already had five wheels
down. so, i started this semester with only 10 wheels. this year instead of repairing the five downed wheels i wrote a letter to the vice resident of
the university explaining the situation and condition of the equipment. just the other day i got a response from my note, we were allotted $15000 to
purchase new wheels. wow!!!! i think the answer to you question is don't get the brent. it is again my opinion and even if i own a brent, i'll never
buy another one.
sooooo, while we are talking about wheels have any of you had any experience with the thomas stuart (elite) wheel? i got to thinking about it after
bailey sent a (st-200) demo over. it's a pretty nice machine but i have trouble with the vacuformed "plastic" body. i can't see this wheel holding up
in a university studio setting. shimpo is supposed to be sending a new velocity for a good lookin' over. if you own or use one of these wheels i would
appreciate you opinions. thanks
jim bob
Tony Ferguson wrote:
> I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
> which wheel do any of you prefer?
>
> Tony
>
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Dannon Rhudy on thu 13 sep 01
Jim Bob, I'm responding to your remarks re: Bailey wheels.
I've got four here in the college setting. They are thus
far holding up flawlessly. They are easy to clean, silent
running, and the movable foot pedal allows for elevated
wheels without trouble - we set two of ours up on concrete
blocks, for those who prefer standing to throw.
Right now they see heavy use, because
the students prefer them. Ours are
only three years old, though - difficult to know what they'll
be in twenty years. We have some old shimpos here that must
be at least that old, ten of them. They are noisy,
a little erratic as to foot pedal speed - but none have
needed repair to my knowledge. They were here long before
I came, though.
Regards
Dannon Rhudy
>wheels, wheels, wheels??!!## well, i have maintained an worked on almost
all the popular brands. my opinion, i'll never buy another brent wheel. last
>fall i spent $1000 (no kidding) on repair parts for the brent "c" and
"cxc" wheels in our studio. by the beginning of spring i already had five
wheels
>down. so, i started this semester with only 10 wheels. this year instead
of repairing the five downed wheels i wrote a letter to the vice resident of
>the university explaining the situation and condition of the equipment.
just the other day i got a response from my note, we were allotted $15000 to
>purchase new wheels. wow!!!! i think the answer to you question is don't
get the brent. it is again my opinion and even if i own a brent, i'll never
>buy another one.
>
>sooooo, while we are talking about wheels have any of you had any
experience with the thomas stuart (elite) wheel? i got to thinking about
it after
>bailey sent a (st-200) demo over. it's a pretty nice machine but i have
trouble with the vacuformed "plastic" body. i can't see this wheel holding up
>in a university studio setting. shimpo is supposed to be sending a new
velocity for a good lookin' over. if you own or use one of these wheels i
would
>appreciate you opinions. thanks
>
>jim bob
>
>
>
>Tony Ferguson wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
>> which wheel do any of you prefer?
>>
>> Tony
>>
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Fabienne Micheline Cassman on thu 13 sep 01
At 02:41 PM 09/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>hey guys,
>
>wheels, wheels, wheels??!!## well, i have maintained an worked on almost
>all the popular brands. my opinion, i'll never buy another brent wheel. last
The community college where I used the clay studio for over 3 years
now. It houses a majority of brents (c and cxc) and really really old
shimpos which are on their last leg and every student avoids them like the
plague because it feels like you're ridding a horse rather than throwing
with those buggers. No offense to shimpo wheels; their latest wheels are a
dream but were too pricy for me. The point is that in those three years, I
have only seen two brent wheels that gave us some trouble. One was
repaired in-house and the other required a bit more than a screw driver and
elbow grease to fix. Students really beat on them every day all day and
during weekly evenings. I also own one and have been satisfied with it.
I'd start looking for gremlins in your studio ;)
Fabienne
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I can reproduce them exactly.
Gillian Evison on thu 13 sep 01
In my opinion, having used a pacifica 400 for 20 years or so, you simply
can't go wrong with a pacifica. It is perfect as it is - doesn't need any
'high tech' additions or modifications, and if I can use it for so long ( I
have actually worn through the pan, so mended it with epoxy glue) it must
surely stand up to a classroom situation. Jill
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clennell on thu 13 sep 01
Sour Cherry Pottery
> sooooo, while we are talking about wheels have any of you had any experience
> with the thomas stuart (elite) wheel? i got to thinking about it after
> bailey sent a (st-200) demo over. it's a pretty nice machine but i have
> trouble with the vacuformed "plastic" body. i can't see this wheel holding up
> in a university studio setting. shimpo is supposed to be sending a new
> velocity for a good lookin' over. if you own or use one of these wheels i
> would
> appreciate you opinions. thanks
>
> jim bob
Dear jim bob: I use a Pacifica 800. they're the best wheel next to a
Soldner. Wouldn't touch a Shimpo with a ten foot pole. the foot pedal is
like standing on a instrument from the industrial revolution.
Pacifica is quiet, tough, smooth, and sheila and I wouldn't use any other
wheel- unless a soldner fell out of a tree.
cheers,
tony
Tony and Sheila Clennell
Sour Cherry Pottery
4545 King Street
Beamsville, Ontario
CANADA L0R 1B1
http://www.sourcherrypottery.com
clennell@vaxxine.com
john elder on thu 13 sep 01
Tony,
I am a resident at the Banff Centre. I was able to chose from a bunch of
different wheels. I chose a Pacifica and a soldner Prof. model. If you are
serious about throwing clay, don't scrimp a little and lose a lot. Test ride
these babies and decide what you feel comfortable working with.
John Elder
>From: Tony Ferguson
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Brent CXC or Pacifica GT-800
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:41:28 -0700
>
>I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
>which wheel do any of you prefer?
>
>Tony
>
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William Moody on thu 13 sep 01
Take a look at the Thomas Stuart electric. Great price and it is more
powerful. I sat at the CXC and had little trouble binding down the wheel
head and then I sat at the Thomas Stuart Elite and my hands got hot before
the wheel had even flinched. I bought the Professional model with the 1hp
motor and it came in at less than a grand total. It is a well made wheel
also. The only thing that I do not like is that to throw on bats over about
16 inches you have to use a wheel head extender that costs about $65
(American.) Every Pacifica that I have seen or used is noisy, and I think
that Brent's are used because everyone is used to seeing them in schools.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ferguson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: Brent CXC or Pacifica GT-800
> I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
> which wheel do any of you prefer?
>
> Tony
>
> =====
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barter artwork go to:http://www.geocities.com/fergyart/fergyartmainpage.html
>
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William Moody on thu 13 sep 01
See my post about the Thomas Stuart. BTW, I don't think the Elite is
plastic, and I know that the Pro isn't. The Pro set me back about 985.00
including tax! Still cheaper than the Brent.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bob Salazar"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Brent CXC or Pacifica GT-800
> hey guys,
>
> wheels, wheels, wheels??!!## well, i have maintained an worked on almost
all the popular brands. my opinion, i'll never buy another brent wheel.
last
> fall i spent $1000 (no kidding) on repair parts for the brent "c" and
"cxc" wheels in our studio. by the beginning of spring i already had five
wheels
> down. so, i started this semester with only 10 wheels. this year instead
of repairing the five downed wheels i wrote a letter to the vice resident of
> the university explaining the situation and condition of the equipment.
just the other day i got a response from my note, we were allotted $15000 to
> purchase new wheels. wow!!!! i think the answer to you question is don't
get the brent. it is again my opinion and even if i own a brent, i'll never
> buy another one.
>
> sooooo, while we are talking about wheels have any of you had any
experience with the thomas stuart (elite) wheel? i got to thinking about it
after
> bailey sent a (st-200) demo over. it's a pretty nice machine but i have
trouble with the vacuformed "plastic" body. i can't see this wheel holding
up
> in a university studio setting. shimpo is supposed to be sending a new
velocity for a good lookin' over. if you own or use one of these wheels i
would
> appreciate you opinions. thanks
>
> jim bob
>
>
>
> Tony Ferguson wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and
> > which wheel do any of you prefer?
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > =====
> > --Tony Ferguson, fergyart@yahoo.com(218) 727-6339Looking to see, buy or
barter artwork go to:http://www.geocities.com/fergyart/fergyartmainpage.html
> >
> >
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Ronda Clark on thu 13 sep 01
My experience with brent and pacifica wheels was in a college setting. They
were used hard and the students were not always caredul with the foot pedal.
The brents held up better than pacifica in that situation. I purchased my
brent 15 years ago and have used it hard the last 10 and it is holding up
well. I was lucky enough to get a soldner recently and it is wonderful. The
nice thing is the foot pedal can replace the foot pedal on just about any
other wheel! Perhaps you should try out some of these wheels before making
your final decision.
I too would like to be part of the exhibition! Sounds like a great idea and a
way to focus on positive thoughts.
Ronda Clark
in DeBeque Colorado enjoying to fall colors just starting to turn on the
hillsides
Tjo62@AOL.COM on fri 14 sep 01
Tony,
I recommend a Bailey wheel. It is pretty quiet and a good price. I
researched all of them before choosing a Bailey wheel. Tonya in Louisville
Brooks Ratledge on fri 14 sep 01
We have 15 Brent wheels in a college studio - 2 B's, 2 CXC's, 11 C"s. They
take an enormous amount of abuse and hold up pretty well. We bought one 3
years ago and the oldest ones are at least 20 years old. We've replaced
foot pedal electrical parts on all the old ones and have replaced one master
box on an old CXC. We now have a 20 year old CXC with a functioning switch.
I personally have a 22 year old that has had plenty of use with no repairs.
If/when I buy a new one, it will be a Soldner. It's more expensive, but
it's a beauty. Smoothest and strongest wheel I've ever used. Patricia
Harden
John Baymore on sat 15 sep 01
I'm looking for the best price on these wheels and which wheel do any of
you prefer?
Tony,
I have been using the SAME Brent CXC professionally for a long time now. =
Like 25 -27 years or something like that. Like those old commercials
say......... takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin' . My experience has=
been that it is a great, solidly built wheel and very reliable. A good
friend.
My only issue is that it is noisy..... but that is because it is so OLD
that it was before the nice quiet ac to dc converters and motors they use=
now. The new ones are quiet. I may buy another one soon....... not
because my old one is not fully functional and will probably outlast
me......... but because I want to get the quieter new one. If I do.... m=
y
old one will become my "backup" wheel.
I also was .... way back in the 70's...the full time ceramics technician =
at
Mass College of Art for about 4 years. The Brents there were
workhorses....... and yes...... students tried their best to kill them >.
Many were old. Still grinding away. We currently have some Brents at t=
he
NH Institute of Art where I teach.... also quite old ones........ they t=
oo
get sort of "neglected" in the maint. arena....also just as hard to kill.=
=
They just keep on going.
One thing to keep in mind though is that Brent was sold a number of years=
ago to a larger firm. I cannot say if the NEW Brents are as well
constructed as the old Brents were.
I have had the opportunity to throw on various Pacificas also doing demos=
at schools and such...... and there is something about the speed controls=
that I always tended not to like. Too sensitive. Skittish is the best
description I can give. But then again.... all the ones I have used have=
the top speed set WAY too high. I have my CXC set so that the top speed =
is
very slow....... helps your pots look like clay .... not lathed metal, me=
thinks. =
But all the Pacificas been very, very, VERY quiet. Can't say anything abo=
ut
their longevity.
One specific feature that I DON'T like is wheels that have integral splas=
h
pans that you can't get rid of. I feel that splash pans are usually at a=
level that impeded free open access to the wheelhead. Since I throw with=
slurry (and have since "God was a a kid") and advocate it's use strongly =
to
my students...... I feel that splash pans need to be easily removable. I=
have seven wheels in my studio....... don't use spash pans on any of them=
.
Wheels for the most part are pretty personal choices . Try em' all. =
Ask questions. Then decide.
Best,
..............................john
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086 USA
603-654-2752 (s)
800-900-1110 (s)
JohnBaymore.com
JBaymore@compuserve.com
John.Baymore@GSD-CO.com
"Earth, Water, and Fire Noborigama Woodfiring Workshop 2002 Dates TBA"=
Cindy Gatto on sat 15 sep 01
Hi to all:
In answer to your question on which wheel. We own a teaching
pottery studio in Brooklyn, NY. We have 13 wheels in our wheel-room, 9 are
Pacifica's, 3 are shimpos and 1 is a Brent. The Pacifica's are the wheels of
choice. I don't know if it is because they are what we have the most of but I
find that people use the Pacifica's more than any of the other wheels. My
personal opinion is the Pacifica's are a superior wheel. The Brent wheelhead
is fixed and is either pressed on or has a roll pin in it and the shimpos
wheel that we have has a teleflex type footpedal on it which makes it
inferior to the Pacifica. The Pacifica has the best of all it has a removable
wheelhead and it has the best superior footpedal on the market. I do not in
any way represent Pacifica I just feel that they make a superior product way
better than the overrated overpriced Brent. So in my opinion buy the Pacifica.
Sincerely:
Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn NY 11206
718-218-9424
Mudpitnyc@aol.com
www.Mudpitnyc.com
vince pitelka on sat 15 sep 01
> I have been using the SAME Brent CXC professionally for a long time now.
> Like 25 -27 years or something like that. Like those old commercials
> say......... takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin' . My experience has
> been that it is a great, solidly built wheel and very reliable.
I would have to say that my experience is similar to John Baymore's. I was
studio tech at UMass-Amherst for three years, and we had twenty-five Brents.
I taught at NDSU in Fargo for three years, and we had fourteen Brents. I
have been here teaching at the Appalachian Center for Crafts for seven
years, and we have six brents, a bunch of shimpos, and a bunch of CIs. For
the most part, the primary occasional problem I have encountered with the
Brents was the result of poorly crimped wire terminals in the control box on
a few wheels. This is a very rare problem, but apparently the person
assembling the wiring on those wheels did not feel compelled to put much
muscle into it.
The one exception occured just a few days ago. One of my students has a
brand new Brent wheel, which was running very choppy, slowing down and
speeding up erratically. First I checked out the crimp-job on all the wire
terminals, and they were fine. Next I took the cover off the bottom of the
foot pedal, and the rheostat had not been installed correctly. One end of
the rheostat is suppose to seat in a small depression in the aluminum
casting, but instead it was pushed off to one side. I loosened the mounting
screws and installed it correctly, and no more problems. This was
carelessness on the part of the assembler, but that happens occasionally in
so many products, even when the finished item is known for high-quality and
reliability, as it the case with the Brent wheel. For so many years, it has
been the workhorse of the academic studio. It is hard to find a more
punishing test for any wheel.
That said, when I was teaching a workshop in Harvey Sadow's studio at the
Armory Center for the Arts in West Palm Beach last spring he had a bunch of
Pacificas. I would have to say that the Pacifica I worked on was one of the
finest wheels I have ever used. It was so smooth and quiet. It just did
exactly what it is suppose to do, with no complaints. If I were buying new
wheels today, I would have a hard time deciding between the Pacifica and the
Brent.
So I have not helped at all in the decision, eh? Either wheel will serve
you well.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Best wishes -
- Vince
Gregory Evans on sun 16 sep 01
I've used both at school and studios and own both. I do fine the Pacifica
quieter and cheaper.
L. P. Skeen on sun 16 sep 01
www.axner.com is the way to reach Howard Axner. However, of the wheels Nils
mentioned, I like Pacifica the best. It is quiet, has an easily removable
splash pan included w/ the wheel, a large wheel head, is reversible, has a
large table, is low in price, and best of all, it's WHITE instead of that
nasty mustard color so many other wheels are. ;)
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Klyf Brown
Subject: Re: Brent CXC or Pacifica GT-800
> Do you have any information on this new wheel like web site address?
Nils Lou on sun 16 sep 01
For information to any seeking to purchase wheels--Howard Axner is now
manufacturing and marketing a new wheel which I believe will incorporate
the best features of CI, brent, Bailey and Pacifica; one model will have
the feature I think is significant,ie., a side mounted speed control
operated by pressure of the knee or calf rather than foot. This allows
both feet on the floor and prevents the skew of the posture which can
cause back problems. And, for me, allows hosing down the floor without
having to pick up controls and the umbilicals. I will soon have two of
these wheels in the new ceramic facility at Linfield College in Oregon.
Will report on my observations. Other wheels we have to compare with are:
Lockerbie, Pacifica, Brent, Shimpo and Skutt (no longer made).
-nils lou
Klyf Brown on sun 16 sep 01
Nils;
Do you have any information on this new wheel like web site address?
I will be buying a wheel soon, it is the one piece of equipment I do not
want to build myself.
Do you have any experience with a "clamshell kiln". I very much like
the idea as I can not lift a three foot piece out of a top loader without
ruining my back, and top hats take up much real estate and are not as
potrable.
Klyf in a soggy desert
9/16/01 10:44:40 AM, Nils Lou
wrote:
>For information to any seeking to purchase wheels--Howard Axner
is now
>manufacturing and marketing a new wheel which I believe will
incorporate
>the best features of CI, brent, Bailey and Pacifica; one model will
have
>the feature I think is significant,ie., a side mounted speed control
>operated by pressure of the knee or calf rather than foot. This allows
>both feet on the floor and prevents the skew of the posture which
can
>cause back problems. And, for me, allows hosing down the floor
without
>having to pick up controls and the umbilicals. I will soon have two of
>these wheels in the new ceramic facility at Linfield College in
Oregon.
>Will report on my observations. Other wheels we have to compare
with are:
>Lockerbie, Pacifica, Brent, Shimpo and Skutt (no longer made).
>-nils lou
>
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Joyce Lee on tue 18 sep 01
ok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Evans"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Brent CXC or Pacifica GT-800
> I've used both at school and studios and own both. I do fine the Pacifica
> quieter and cheaper.
>
>
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nils lou on wed 31 oct 01
Klyf,
My understanding is that Axner will be producing their own potter's wheel
aiming at precision control, quietness, ergonomic adjustments and
flexibility. It will be, as I understand it, priced extremely competitively
with no compromising in performance. I will be using two prototypes (one
with a side mounted control worked with knee pressure) here at Linfield
College. We hope to have them in two or three weeks. I will report my
anecdotal and subjective findings to the list.
-nils
--On Sunday, September 16, 2001 6:40 PM -0600 Klyf Brown
wrote:
> Nils;
> Do you have any information on this new wheel like web site address?
> I will be buying a wheel soon, it is the one piece of equipment I do not
> want to build myself.
> Do you have any experience with a "clamshell kiln". I very much like
> the idea as I can not lift a three foot piece out of a top loader without
> ruining my back, and top hats take up much real estate and are not as
> potrable.
> Klyf in a soggy desert
>
>
> 9/16/01 10:44:40 AM, Nils Lou
> wrote:
>
>> For information to any seeking to purchase wheels--Howard Axner
> is now
>> manufacturing and marketing a new wheel which I believe will
> incorporate
>> the best features of CI, brent, Bailey and Pacifica; one model will
> have
>> the feature I think is significant,ie., a side mounted speed control
>> operated by pressure of the knee or calf rather than foot. This allows
>> both feet on the floor and prevents the skew of the posture which
> can
>> cause back problems. And, for me, allows hosing down the floor
> without
>> having to pick up controls and the umbilicals. I will soon have two of
>> these wheels in the new ceramic facility at Linfield College in
> Oregon.
>> Will report on my observations. Other wheels we have to compare
> with are:
>> Lockerbie, Pacifica, Brent, Shimpo and Skutt (no longer made).
>> -nils lou
>>
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