Celia Littlecreek on fri 14 sep 01
The idea is a very good one for an exhibition and I would love to =
participate in that. I like the idea that we might be able to raise =
money for relief.
Last night, I was thinking of my Dad who died of cancer 2 years ago. He =
was a Native wise man whom many called "Grandfather". He did not want =
to put the poisen from his body in the ground and asked to be cremated. =
I made a vessel for his ashes that we buried. I don't know how it might =
be accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that could =
be used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very often =
survivors need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill =
we meet again."
PotterSmiths' on fri 14 sep 01
Celia, maybe finally some way I might help, thank you!
I want to try to do this. Does anyone have suggestions on what dimensions
and how to seal the vessels? - To donate to survivors.
Kate
Phil & Kate Smith
White Bear Lake MN
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Behalf Of Celia Littlecreek
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:16 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Exhibition Plus
The idea is a very good one for an exhibition and I would love to
participate in that. I like the idea that we might be able to raise money
for relief.
Last night, I was thinking of my Dad who died of cancer 2 years ago. He was
a Native wise man whom many called "Grandfather". He did not want to put
the poisen from his body in the ground and asked to be cremated. I made a
vessel for his ashes that we buried. I don't know how it might be
accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that could be
used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very often survivors
need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill we meet
again."
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L. P. Skeen on fri 14 sep 01
Last night, I was thinking of my Dad who died of cancer 2 years ago. He was
a Native wise man whom many called "Grandfather". He did not want to put
the poisen from his body in the ground and asked to be cremated. I made a
vessel for his ashes that we buried. I don't know how it might be
accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that could be
used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very often survivors
need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill we meet
again."
Where can we send them? Anybody know?
L. P. Skeen on fri 14 sep 01
I suspect it is too late today, being Friday after 5pm, to call any
mortuaries in NYC or DC....but we would need to find out what the state laws
are there. Here in NC, they don't have to be sealed - at all! In fact,
there is very little in the way of laws governing what you can do with a
cremated body. If I can find out anything, I will post.
L
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Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
> Celia, maybe finally some way I might help, thank you!
>
> I want to try to do this. Does anyone have suggestions on what dimensions
> and how to seal the vessels? - To donate to survivors.
> Kate
>
> Phil & Kate Smith
> White Bear Lake MN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of Celia Littlecreek
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:16 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Exhibition Plus
>
>
> The idea is a very good one for an exhibition and I would love to
> participate in that. I like the idea that we might be able to raise money
> for relief.
>
> Last night, I was thinking of my Dad who died of cancer 2 years ago. He
was
> a Native wise man whom many called "Grandfather". He did not want to put
> the poisen from his body in the ground and asked to be cremated. I made a
> vessel for his ashes that we buried. I don't know how it might be
> accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that could be
> used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very often
survivors
> need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill we meet
> again."
>
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K. Sam Miller on fri 14 sep 01
Lisa,
This is a GREAT idea. I would be interested in making an ash-holding vessel
for this enterprise as well as submitting an entry for Lowell's exhibit. I
would think that this idea would need to be posed to the vicitm's
counselling folks in NYC to see if interest exists with the affected
famillies.
Sam
Lisa suggests...
> ...I don't know how it might be
> accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that could be
> used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very often
survivors
> need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill we meet
> again."
>
>
> Where can we send them? Anybody know?
Patti Kratzke on fri 14 sep 01
I like the cremation urns idea, too. Where would they go, to the Red
Cross, or a local mortuary? I'll be anxious to get the info, if you find
out anything.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:47:57 -0400 "L. P. Skeen"
writes:
> I suspect it is too late today, being Friday after 5pm, to call any
> mortuaries in NYC or DC....but we would need to find out what the
> state laws
> are there. Here in NC, they don't have to be sealed - at all! In
> fact,
> there is very little in the way of laws governing what you can do
> with a
> cremated body. If I can find out anything, I will post.
> L
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PotterSmiths'
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
>
>
> > Celia, maybe finally some way I might help, thank you!
> >
> > I want to try to do this. Does anyone have suggestions on what
> dimensions
> > and how to seal the vessels? - To donate to survivors.
> > Kate
> >
> > Phil & Kate Smith
> > White Bear Lake MN
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> > Behalf Of Celia Littlecreek
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:16 AM
> > To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > Subject: Exhibition Plus
> >
> >
> > The idea is a very good one for an exhibition and I would love to
> > participate in that. I like the idea that we might be able to
> raise money
> > for relief.
> >
> > Last night, I was thinking of my Dad who died of cancer 2 years
> ago. He
> was
> > a Native wise man whom many called "Grandfather". He did not want
> to put
> > the poisen from his body in the ground and asked to be cremated.
> I made a
> > vessel for his ashes that we buried. I don't know how it might
> be
> > accomplised, but could'nt we as potters donate some vessel that
> could be
> > used to hold the ash left from the rubble. I know that very
> often
> survivors
> > need something tangible and visable to be able to say "untill we
> meet
> > again."
> >
> >
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Celia Littlecreek on fri 14 sep 01
I have emailed the New York Red Cross explaining that there are some =
that would like to donate pottery funerary vessels. I have also talked =
with someone at the Red Cross in New York, but they were not able to =
suggest who might co-ordinate that effort. She suggested I call the =
Mayors office Monday for suggestions. I will do that.
Ann Brink on fri 14 sep 01
Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
CELIA LITTLECREEK WROTE:
" I have emailed the New York Red Cross explaining that there are some
that would like to donate pottery funerary vessels. I have also talked with
someone at the Red Cross in New York, but they were not able to suggest who
might co-ordinate that effort. She suggested I call the Mayors office
Monday for suggestions. I will do that."
Celia, I will be waiting to hear what you find out. The piece I was
planning to make for the exhibition was going to consist of multiple
miniature urns, with lids, to represent the many lives lost....in some
arrangement. Then tonight I started thinking, why not make them and
actually send them on to a location in New York where they could be given to
those who would like one.
I learned, when an aunt died and we saw what was available to hold ashes,
that mortuaries also sell very small receptacles, often figurative, with
space for just a portion of the ashes, as a keepsake. So small containers
are another option. I don't know what would be best utilized.... many
small jars, or a lesser number of normal sized ones.
Ann Brink in CA
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Lorraine Pierce on sat 15 sep 01
Goodmorning Ann...I like your idea of small memorial containers very much.
My daughter and family live in Manhattan and all our help will be sorely
needed in the time coming as the reality of the deaths becomes inescapable.
She has volunteered to coordinate as well as work with the owners and
therapy dogs (and other certified pets) in the community with the orphaned
children and others in need of grief therapy, and already has space offered
at Belview Hospital and All Souls Church. Also the local school where so
many children have parents missing. She is highly qualified, and her
decision to do this is only a few days old. I will ask if she can use the
aid of these small memorials in her work. I know they are preparing for the
long haul. And I know there are many Clayarters who will welcome the
opportunity to feel they are contributing on a very meaningful level.
I wish I had the eloquence of many of my Clayart friends; my child has asked
for my support, day or night, when she needs me, and I will be here on the
other end of the phone of course; so much death and destruction, so much
horror, now binding us all together. And I know you are here on Clayart
when I need you. Lori in New Port Richey Fl.
Ruth Ballou on sat 15 sep 01
I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea. I am struck that
many of the families of the victims will have no grave to visit, no ashes
to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of urns, one for each
victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the exhibit would be given
to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in which to place things
that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy to make glazes for
the jars.
What do y'all think? Is it doable?
Ruth
The logistics of organizing this is d
>Celia, I will be waiting to hear what you find out. The piece I was
>planning to make for the exhibition was going to consist of multiple
>miniature urns, with lids, to represent the many lives lost....in some
>arrangement. Then tonight I started thinking, why not make them and
>actually send them on to a location in New York where they could be given to
>those who would like one.
>
> I learned, when an aunt died and we saw what was available to hold ashes,
>that mortuaries also sell very small receptacles, often figurative, with
>space for just a portion of the ashes, as a keepsake. So small containers
>are another option. I don't know what would be best utilized.... many
>small jars, or a lesser number of normal sized ones.
>
>Ann Brink in CA
>
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Mert & Holly Kilpatrick on sat 15 sep 01
It MIGHT be do-able, but I don't think it could be juried! We would need
thousands of jars. It would make a VERY impressive exhibit / ceremony.
Maybe it could be displayed on the site of the WTC. Does anyone know of an
exhibit of that size in the past?
Holly
From: "Ruth Ballou"
> I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea. I am struck that
> many of the families of the victims will have no grave to visit, no ashes
> to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of urns, one for each
> victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the exhibit would be
given
> to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in which to place things
> that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy to make glazes for
> the jars.
>
> What do y'all think? Is it doable?
>
> Ruth
Karen Hein on sat 15 sep 01
I would like to be a part of this. Just let me know where, when
Karen
L. P. Skeen on sat 15 sep 01
Getting "ash from the tragedy" to glaze with will be no small feat.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth Ballou
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
> I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea. I am struck that
> many of the families of the victims will have no grave to visit, no ashes
> to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of urns, one for each
> victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the exhibit would be
given
> to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in which to place things
> that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy to make glazes for
> the jars.
>
> What do y'all think? Is it doable?
>
> Ruth
>
> The logistics of organizing this is d
> >Celia, I will be waiting to hear what you find out. The piece I was
> >planning to make for the exhibition was going to consist of multiple
> >miniature urns, with lids, to represent the many lives lost....in some
> >arrangement. Then tonight I started thinking, why not make them and
> >actually send them on to a location in New York where they could be given
to
> >those who would like one.
> >
> > I learned, when an aunt died and we saw what was available to hold
ashes,
> >that mortuaries also sell very small receptacles, often figurative, with
> >space for just a portion of the ashes, as a keepsake. So small
containers
> >are another option. I don't know what would be best utilized.... many
> >small jars, or a lesser number of normal sized ones.
> >
> >Ann Brink in CA
> >
> >
>
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Rikki Gill on sat 15 sep 01
I too would like to contribute something to this exhibit. Rikki Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: Mert & Holly Kilpatrick
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
>It MIGHT be do-able, but I don't think it could be juried! We would need
>thousands of jars. It would make a VERY impressive exhibit / ceremony.
>Maybe it could be displayed on the site of the WTC. Does anyone know of an
>exhibit of that size in the past?
>Holly
>
>From: "Ruth Ballou"
>
>> I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea. I am struck that
>> many of the families of the victims will have no grave to visit, no ashes
>> to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of urns, one for each
>> victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the exhibit would be
>given
>> to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in which to place things
>> that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy to make glazes for
>> the jars.
>>
>> What do y'all think? Is it doable?
>>
>> Ruth
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pammyam on sat 15 sep 01
I like the idea of an urn or a marker of some sort for every
single person. Not named on the pieces necessarily, but the
total number. In looking at lists of the missing and the
killed, I was struck by seeing one after another. Total
numbers are heartbreaking in one way, and the actual names
of indivduals, listed one after another are heartbreaking in
another way. Like The Wall. I was thinking about Tibetan
prayer flags for some reason, and then printed prayers, and
then handmade books that listed each person as some sort of
acknowledgement or consecration, and then this idea of the
urns appeared. I realize that the numbers might well be too
many to do this, but I know lots of potters who don't read
Clayart, and people who work in other media who might want
to be part of it. Thinking out loud.
Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mert & Holly Kilpatrick"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Exhibition Plus
: It MIGHT be do-able, but I don't think it could be juried!
We would need
: thousands of jars. It would make a VERY impressive
exhibit / ceremony.
: Maybe it could be displayed on the site of the WTC. Does
anyone know of an
: exhibit of that size in the past?
: Holly
:
: From: "Ruth Ballou"
:
: > I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea.
I am struck that
: > many of the families of the victims will have no grave
to visit, no ashes
: > to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of
urns, one for each
: > victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the
exhibit would be
: given
: > to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in
which to place things
: > that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy
to make glazes for
: > the jars.
: >
: > What do y'all think? Is it doable?
: >
: > Ruth
:
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Ronda Clark on sun 16 sep 01
I like the idea of making urns and would be willing to help. Using the ashes
in a glaze is an interesting idea. One of my husbands cousins passed away and
his wife wanted his ashes mixed in the clay and pots thrown with that clay!
When I saw the ashes I realized that was not possible so I sprinkled the
ashes ( a very small amount) in the wet glazes. It worked and gave the pots
an unusual effect. People would want to pick them up and look at them but I
would not let them until I told them what it was.
Ronda Clark
Veena Raghavan on sun 16 sep 01
Message text written by Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>I was thinking of an extension of the funerary urn idea. I am struck tha=
t
many of the families of the victims will have no grave to visit, no ashes=
to place in an urn. What if there was an exhibit of urns, one for each
victim, which after (or maybe before or part of) the exhibit would be giv=
en
to each of families to be used as a memorial jar in which to place things=
that spoke of the victim. And use ash from the tragedy to make glazes for=
the jars.<
The idea of a memorial exhibit would be deep and meaningful, if it can be=
achieved. Still in a state of shock, I find it difficult to think of what=
I
could make that would be meaningful for such an exhibit, what could I mak=
e
that could possibly reflect all the feelings and emotions that occupy my
mind in turmoil. Ruth's idea of urns that could represent each victim, th=
e
loss of a life, and which could later be given to every family that has
suffered, touches a cord. =
I hope that, one way or another, we can do something lasting to represent=
this terrible tragedy.
Veena
Veena Raghavan
75124.2520@compuserve.com
Katheleen Nez on sun 16 sep 01
I know this is probably a dumb question, but how big
does a funerary urn have to be?
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Celia Littlecreek on sun 16 sep 01
Kathleen, The vessel I made for my dad's ashes would hold about a five pound
bag of sugar. I think of the body as a vessel for the spirit and I made a
vessel for his body. I didn't and don't know what an urn is supposed to
look like, so I couldn't make one. I could only make a vessel.
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> I know this is probably a dumb question, but how big
> does a funerary urn have to be?
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Pat/Kent on sun 16 sep 01
The standard for pet cremation urns is 1pound of actual weight = 1 cubic
inch for an urn. I am fairly sure that that standard would apply here.
> I know this is probably a dumb question, but how big
> does a funerary urn have to be?>
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Cindy Strnad on sun 16 sep 01
Kathleen,
Normally, a funerary urn should have about the capacity of a shoe-box. In
this case, I don't know if the usual strictures would apply. I would expect
not. I would not imagine the urns would actually be used to hold ashes of
the deceased. Those folks "lucky" enough to get their loved ones' bodies
back will wish to make their own arrangements, I'm sure. I would think this
would be a largely symbolic effort, whether or not the urns are eventually
placed in the hands of the bereaved..
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
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CINDI ANDERSON on sun 16 sep 01
We just cremated my sister. If you have the whole body, it is quite a bit of
ashes, quite a large urn. However in this case, the ashes would be symbolic so I
think a smaller size would be more appropriate.
Cindi
Fremont, CA
Katheleen Nez wrote:
> I know this is probably a dumb question, but how big
> does a funerary urn have to be?
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