Lorraine Pierce on fri 5 oct 01
Hi Ilene...please tell me, what cone do you bisque your coleman porcelain
to? I have loved throwing it, but am having trouble glazing it after firing
to ^06. The glaze slips down or cracks off after application. And do you
spray or dip your glazes? Any advice will be welcome. Lori Pierce in New
Port Richey, Fl.
Lorraine Pierce on sat 6 oct 01
Thanks Val...am I correct in assuming from your post that there are dry or
wet commercial glazes, ^10, sold under Tom Coleman's name? Or are these
glazes you have made 'from scratch'? The glazes I am having trouble with
are from recipes in his books. Lori Pierce in New Port Richey, Fl.
miriam shelomith on sat 6 oct 01
Lorraine... I do not know what coleman porcelain is...
After saying that, have fired porcelain to cone 6(electric) and another body
to cone 10 or 11 (gas). Have bisqued to cone 06 for both. Not had a
problem with glaze.
How long do you wait between bisque and glaze? Could it be that the clay is
not what you think it is? Matures that much lower? Did you try more than 1
glaze? Or, just take a piece and see how much water is absorbed... At 06,
should soak up like a sponge... Unless it overfired, somehow...
Let me know the outcome, please...
Miriam in Clearwater, FL
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>Hi Ilene...please tell me, what cone do you bisque your coleman porcelain
>to? I have loved throwing it, but am having trouble glazing it after firing
>to ^06. The glaze slips down or cracks off after application. And do you
>spray or dip your glazes? Any advice will be welcome. Lori Pierce in
>New
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Valerie Johnson on sat 6 oct 01
I bisque to ^04 & haven't had trouble with glaze slipping off. I've been
using some of Tom Coleman's glazes as well, but in oxidation to ^10. They
look different from the tiles shown at my distributor's, but I've found that
Teadust Black looks very cool when loaded heavily, and looks interesting when
loaded lightly (with many variations of color). Painting this glaze on
heavily you end up with a leopard-like look, very interesting & touch-worthy.
Usually, though, I pour the glaze over the pot. Lipstick Purple when
heavily loaded turns into this gorgeous light aqua blue with lots of depth.
Fake ash looks pretty good too, maybe close to the reduction color. Orange
shino definitely needs to be fired in reduction, otherwise it's just a
barely-there orange tinge where lightly applied and a white foamy-bubbly look
where heavy. You didnt' ask for an advertisement, sorry.
One other cool effect I found is to use acrylic paints that come in tubes as
accents on my Teadust black pots. So far, I've had good luck with the
iridescent colors, and one of the green colors burns down to a gorgeous gold/
bronze tinge when fired to ^10. I've been adding some of this paint to the
rims (heavy application).
Valerie Johnson
Eads, TN
ILENE MAHLER on sat 6 oct 01
I bisque to 07 now with the crystals I bisque to 010 as I must sand to
get the bases and pots to fit as close as possible but try 07 then 08 I
don't remember what Tom fires to or call Aardvark....I start to throw
after my delivery and had to quit early a friends one person show
opening.got up early to start and lost power it just went on and will go
to work after I finish on the computer Good luck Let me see some
pictures of you finished work with the T.C. porcelain...Ilene
Lorraine Pierce wrote:
>
> Hi Ilene...please tell me, what cone do you bisque your coleman porcelain
> to? I have loved throwing it, but am having trouble glazing it after firing
> to ^06. The glaze slips down or cracks off after application. And do you
> spray or dip your glazes? Any advice will be welcome. Lori Pierce in New
> Port Richey, Fl.
>
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Valerie Johnson on sun 7 oct 01
Lori,
these are dry glazes, I buy them through Clay World. I imagine whoever else sells the coleman porcelain should also sell these glazes. Haven't tried them all,just the few I mentioned, since I'm still firing electric for now.
Good luck!
Valerie Johnson,
Eads, TN
Earl Brunner on mon 8 oct 01
Aardvark Clay in CA, makes the Coleman Porcelain, and also mix up bulk
batches of some of his more popular glazes from his Glaze book. They
distribute these in various quantities.
Valerie Johnson wrote:
> Lori,
> these are dry glazes, I buy them through Clay World. I imagine whoever else sells the coleman porcelain should also sell these glazes. Haven't tried them all,just the few I mentioned, since I'm still firing electric for now.
> Good luck!
> Valerie Johnson,
> Eads, TN
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potter on sat 23 feb 02
Hi
Can anyone tell me if coleman porcelain flashes in a wood firing and if so
"how good".
thanks
Bryan Hannis
John Kudlacek on tue 26 jul 05
Anyone, =20
I have been using Coleman porcelain that I get from Bracker's just a =
half hour drive away. I have run out and was told by them and Mile Hi =
in Denver that it would probably be a month before it would be =
available.
I am happy with the working properties of the body along with its color, =
translucency and purity.=20
Can anyone suggest a substitute for Coleman's porcelain, one with =
similar properties? In my search on line I saw Turner porcelain. =
Anyone familiar with that?
Desperate in Topeka
Tony Ferguson on thu 28 jul 05
Hi,
The best stuff is the Coleman porcelain made by Aardvark. Vegas doesn't mix the clay, they just carry it. Tom researched and discovered a food grade plasticizer (something that we eat)which has in my opinion created the perfect throwing/standup porcelain. Not cheap, but pound for pound, the cost of clay should be an after thought. It is also makes the best slip I've ever come across--sticks to anything. Ummm...makes me think more about what I eat.
Tony Ferguson
"Tom at Hutchtel.net" wrote:
Which Coleman Porcelain are you using. He had one a couple of years ago,
also mixed by Great Lakes Clay in Carpentersville, IL. Last year he started
using a mix based heavily on an additive. It's probably available from
Aardvark Clay in CA or Las Vegas.
Tom Wirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Doty"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Coleman Porcelain
> John,
>
> I have been using Turners Porcelain for a few years now. It does go
> translucent when thrown thin and looks creamy when vitrified. I
> currently buy it from L&R specialties in Nixa MO and as far as I know
> they do ship from there. It is a cone 8-10 body and probably could go
> higher. I fire it in an electric kiln so haven't seen what it would be
> like over cone 10. L&R has always had at least 400lbs of the clay mixed
> and in boxes every time I've driven there to pick some up. I've
> included a link to their web page at the bottom of my note here. As far
> as the throwing characteristics of the body it is smooth just like a
> porcelain body should be, it feels plastic but not stiff. I may not be
> a perfect potter but have been able to make 14 inch wide bowls with it
> and some 12 inch wide platters. Hope this information helps.
>
> Lori Doty
> Nurse/Potter
> Slowly turning the tide.
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:48 PM, John Kudlacek wrote:
>
>> Anyone,
>> I have been using Coleman porcelain that I get from Bracker's just a
>> half hour drive away. I have run out and was told by them and Mile Hi
>> in Denver that it would probably be a month before it would be
>> available.
>> I am happy with the working properties of the body along with its
>> color, translucency and purity.
>> Can anyone suggest a substitute for Coleman's porcelain, one with
>> similar properties? In my search on line I saw Turner porcelain.
>> Anyone familiar with that?
>> Desperate in Topeka
>>
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Lori Doty on thu 28 jul 05
John,
I have been using Turners Porcelain for a few years now. It does go
translucent when thrown thin and looks creamy when vitrified. I
currently buy it from L&R specialties in Nixa MO and as far as I know
they do ship from there. It is a cone 8-10 body and probably could go
higher. I fire it in an electric kiln so haven't seen what it would be
like over cone 10. L&R has always had at least 400lbs of the clay mixed
and in boxes every time I've driven there to pick some up. I've
included a link to their web page at the bottom of my note here. As far
as the throwing characteristics of the body it is smooth just like a
porcelain body should be, it feels plastic but not stiff. I may not be
a perfect potter but have been able to make 14 inch wide bowls with it
and some 12 inch wide platters. Hope this information helps.
Lori Doty
Nurse/Potter
Slowly turning the tide.
On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:48 PM, John Kudlacek wrote:
> Anyone,
> I have been using Coleman porcelain that I get from Bracker's just a
> half hour drive away. I have run out and was told by them and Mile Hi
> in Denver that it would probably be a month before it would be
> available.
> I am happy with the working properties of the body along with its
> color, translucency and purity.
> Can anyone suggest a substitute for Coleman's porcelain, one with
> similar properties? In my search on line I saw Turner porcelain.
> Anyone familiar with that?
> Desperate in Topeka
>
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John Kudlacek on thu 28 jul 05
Lori,
Thanks for the info on Turner porcelain. I was just about to call L&R to
order a little. I used to do a lot of business with L&R when I taught at
Emporia State. After Lowell Brown died and Brackers started up near by, my
ordering tapered off. Lowell used to come by periodically and see what we
might want. He was a likeable, gentle man.
I am presuming you are in the Kansas City area if you drive to Nixa to
pick it up.
You mentioned that the Turner is cream colored after vitrification in
your electric kiln. I presume it will fire a cooler white in a reduction
fire.
Thanks again.
John Kudlacek
Tom at Hutchtel.net on thu 28 jul 05
Which Coleman Porcelain are you using. He had one a couple of years ago,
also mixed by Great Lakes Clay in Carpentersville, IL. Last year he started
using a mix based heavily on an additive. It's probably available from
Aardvark Clay in CA or Las Vegas.
Tom Wirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Doty"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Coleman Porcelain
> John,
>
> I have been using Turners Porcelain for a few years now. It does go
> translucent when thrown thin and looks creamy when vitrified. I
> currently buy it from L&R specialties in Nixa MO and as far as I know
> they do ship from there. It is a cone 8-10 body and probably could go
> higher. I fire it in an electric kiln so haven't seen what it would be
> like over cone 10. L&R has always had at least 400lbs of the clay mixed
> and in boxes every time I've driven there to pick some up. I've
> included a link to their web page at the bottom of my note here. As far
> as the throwing characteristics of the body it is smooth just like a
> porcelain body should be, it feels plastic but not stiff. I may not be
> a perfect potter but have been able to make 14 inch wide bowls with it
> and some 12 inch wide platters. Hope this information helps.
>
> Lori Doty
> Nurse/Potter
> Slowly turning the tide.
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:48 PM, John Kudlacek wrote:
>
>> Anyone,
>> I have been using Coleman porcelain that I get from Bracker's just a
>> half hour drive away. I have run out and was told by them and Mile Hi
>> in Denver that it would probably be a month before it would be
>> available.
>> I am happy with the working properties of the body along with its
>> color, translucency and purity.
>> Can anyone suggest a substitute for Coleman's porcelain, one with
>> similar properties? In my search on line I saw Turner porcelain.
>> Anyone familiar with that?
>> Desperate in Topeka
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> _______
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>>
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>>
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>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>
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Windancer Studio: Teresa Testa on fri 29 jul 05
John,
I have been using Coleman porcealin for several years now. Aardvark Clay here in Las Vegas always has Coleman porcelain on hand ready to ship.
I have also used Pier porcealin from Clay Planet. The Pier is very smooth and easy to work with. When fired to cone 10 it has properites similar to Coleman porcelain. They always have a lot on hand, check it out: www.claymaker.com
Teresa Testa
Windancer Studio
Las Vegas, NV
Which Coleman Porcelain are you using. He had one a couple of years ago,
also mixed by Great Lakes Clay in Carpentersville, IL. Last year he started
using a mix based heavily on an additive. It's probably available from
Aardvark Clay in CA or Las Vegas.
Tom Wirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Doty"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Coleman Porcelain
> John,
>
> I have been using Turners Porcelain for a few years now. It does go
> translucent when thrown thin and looks creamy when vitrified. I
> currently buy it from L&R specialties in Nixa MO and as far as I know
> they do ship from there. It is a cone 8-10 body and probably could go
> higher. I fire it in an electric kiln so haven't seen what it would be
> like over cone 10. L&R has always had at least 400lbs of the clay mixed
> and in boxes every time I've driven there to pick some up. I've
> included a link to their web page at the bottom of my note here. As far
> as the throwing characteristics of the body it is smooth just like a
> porcelain body should be, it feels plastic but not stiff. I may not be
> a perfect potter but have been able to make 14 inch wide bowls with it
> and some 12 inch wide platters. Hope this information helps.
>
> Lori Doty
> Nurse/Potter
> Slowly turning the tide.
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:48 PM, John Kudlacek wrote:
>
>> Anyone,
>> I have been using Coleman porcelain that I get from Bracker's just a
>> half hour drive away. I have run out and was told by them and Mile Hi
>> in Denver that it would probably be a month before it would be
>> available.
>> I am happy with the working properties of the body along with its
>> color, translucency and purity.
>> Can anyone suggest a substitute for Coleman's porcelain, one with
>> similar properties? In my search on line I saw Turner porcelain.
>> Anyone familiar with that?
>> Desperate in Topeka
>>
John Kudlacek on fri 29 jul 05
Thanks for all your concerned responses. I have decided on using Turner
porcelain until the Coleman stuff is available again in our area. I am
used to picking up Coleman at Bracker's in Lawrence, KS. a half hour from
here. The shipping from the left coast would kill me.
I have no idea of what version of the Coleman mix I have been using,
Tony. Thanks again.
John Kudlacek
Brant Palley NMCLAY.com on fri 29 jul 05
New Mexico Clay has 2000 lbs of Coleman in stock, we also sell Srubek A
Japanese Grolleg type) and Domestic porcelains. see www.nmclay.com
Albuquerque isn't that far away!
Brant
brant@nmclay.com
www.nmclay.com
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