L. P. Skeen on mon 8 oct 01
I think Craig's idea is FABOO! Where could it go?
----- Original Message -----
From: Burns Christina
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Sept 11 th tile memorial
> Interested in the tile idea, just didn't have time to responded - I was
also
> hoping to here more about the project before making a commitment. Tiles
are
> not my specialty but I would probably make an attempt for a good cause.
>
> Letty
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Fulladosa [mailto:theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:07 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Sept 11 th tile memorial
>
> Hello Angel,
> Why did I get such a poor response? Did I not have a good subject
> title? Or
> was it because I am infrequent in my postings? I think this is something
> many Clay Arters would do.
> I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims
of
> the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
> project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
> hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
> really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
> in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
> response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only
response
> I got. I was going to send another post but decided not to. I think it
could
> really go well, if everyone participated a little. There was a lady from
> Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of tiles for an
International
> Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard. Tiles from all over
the
> world. I am not sure how it should look. I was thinking of making them in
> red white and blue to become a giant American Flag Mosaic with textures,
> symbols, words imprinted by each artist with information provided from the
> families about their loved one. There are so many different possibilities.
>
>
> Craig Fulladosa
> the Clayman
> craigfull@earthlink.net
> http://clayman.lookscool.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angel Rue [mailto:prettypotter@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:20 AM
> To: theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET
> Subject: Sept 11 th tile memorial
>
> I would be glad to make a few tiles (30 to 50) I can
> have people from my pottery classes help.
>
> Please keep me posted as you develop the project
> plan... let me know if you need any help planning,
> ideas on brainstorming ect... I am a very proficient
> project planner.
>
>
>
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Craig Fulladosa on tue 9 oct 01
Hello Angel,
Why did I get such a poor response? Did I not have a good subject title? Or
was it because I am infrequent in my postings? I think this is something
many Clay Arters would do.
I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims of
the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only response
I got. I was going to send another post but decided not to. I think it could
really go well, if everyone participated a little. There was a lady from
Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of tiles for an International
Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard. Tiles from all over the
world. I am not sure how it should look. I was thinking of making them in
red white and blue to become a giant American Flag Mosaic with textures,
symbols, words imprinted by each artist with information provided from the
families about their loved one. There are so many different possibilities.
Craig Fulladosa
the Clayman
craigfull@earthlink.net
http://clayman.lookscool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Rue [mailto:prettypotter@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:20 AM
To: theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: Sept 11 th tile memorial
I would be glad to make a few tiles (30 to 50) I can
have people from my pottery classes help.
Please keep me posted as you develop the project
plan... let me know if you need any help planning,
ideas on brainstorming ect... I am a very proficient
project planner.
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Burns Christina on tue 9 oct 01
Interested in the tile idea, just didn't have time to responded - I was also
hoping to here more about the project before making a commitment. Tiles are
not my specialty but I would probably make an attempt for a good cause.
Letty
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Fulladosa [mailto:theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:07 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Sept 11 th tile memorial
Hello Angel,
Why did I get such a poor response? Did I not have a good subject
title? Or
was it because I am infrequent in my postings? I think this is something
many Clay Arters would do.
I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims of
the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only response
I got. I was going to send another post but decided not to. I think it could
really go well, if everyone participated a little. There was a lady from
Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of tiles for an International
Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard. Tiles from all over the
world. I am not sure how it should look. I was thinking of making them in
red white and blue to become a giant American Flag Mosaic with textures,
symbols, words imprinted by each artist with information provided from the
families about their loved one. There are so many different possibilities.
Craig Fulladosa
the Clayman
craigfull@earthlink.net
http://clayman.lookscool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Rue [mailto:prettypotter@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:20 AM
To: theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: Sept 11 th tile memorial
I would be glad to make a few tiles (30 to 50) I can
have people from my pottery classes help.
Please keep me posted as you develop the project
plan... let me know if you need any help planning,
ideas on brainstorming ect... I am a very proficient
project planner.
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Susan Otter on tue 9 oct 01
In a message dated 10/9/01 6:12:26 AM, theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
<< I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims
of
the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only response
I got. >>
I did not see your first post for some reason:
HOWEVER....
I don't just want to make a tile and send it some place, about such a
life-changing event, and then never know what happened to it, if it got used,
how or where.
To me that would trivialize what happened.
Wanda Holmes on tue 9 oct 01
I am a tile-maker and would be interested in contributing. Wanda
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Burns Christina
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:08 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Sept 11 th tile memorial
Interested in the tile idea, just didn't have time to responded - I was also
hoping to here more about the project before making a commitment. Tiles are
not my specialty but I would probably make an attempt for a good cause.
Letty
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Fulladosa [mailto:theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:07 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Sept 11 th tile memorial
Hello Angel,
Why did I get such a poor response? Did I not have a good subject
title? Or
was it because I am infrequent in my postings? I think this is something
many Clay Arters would do.
I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims of
the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only response
I got. I was going to send another post but decided not to. I think it could
really go well, if everyone participated a little. There was a lady from
Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of tiles for an International
Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard. Tiles from all over the
world. I am not sure how it should look. I was thinking of making them in
red white and blue to become a giant American Flag Mosaic with textures,
symbols, words imprinted by each artist with information provided from the
families about their loved one. There are so many different possibilities.
Craig Fulladosa
the Clayman
craigfull@earthlink.net
http://clayman.lookscool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Rue [mailto:prettypotter@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:20 AM
To: theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: Sept 11 th tile memorial
I would be glad to make a few tiles (30 to 50) I can
have people from my pottery classes help.
Please keep me posted as you develop the project
plan... let me know if you need any help planning,
ideas on brainstorming ect... I am a very proficient
project planner.
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Ross Hartman on wed 10 oct 01
Craig;
I am assuming that you are the 'coordinator' for this potential project.
I spend a great deal of my time (I mean over a period of decades) thinking about tile
designs.
I think that you should check into the possibility of creating a photomosaic of these
tiles. Given that each tile would represent a person who expired in the attack (s)
then you could create an image that would be approximately 50 feet square and 74
images on a side (assuming 8 inch tiles and about 5500 persons represented, not
knowing the actual final figure). A better proportioned final image ratio might be the
golden section but this is an example to calculate preliminary numbers.
To get some idea of what I am typing about I refer you (or anyone) to the book
entitled "Photomosaics" copyright 1997 by Robert Silvers. Its is noted that
Photomosaic is a trademark of Runaway Technology , Inc. I believe they are the ones
who produced the software to compile the images. ISBN: 0-8050-5170-8.
In particular I refer you to the image of the Human face that is made up of individual
photos of the AIDS Memorial Quilt on page 74.
I do not presume to know what a good image might be for the entire mosaic. I would
think that the families would want something to say about this. But what ever it is,
tiles arranged in this manner would give a coherency to the project that might
otherwise be lacking.
Given that you might want something on a grander scale (than 50 feet square) maybe
each tile should represent a family member rather than just the deceased family member
since they are all victims. Then the resolution of the final image would be increased.
In any case you would be working on an architectural scale and I would think you would
want to get an architect involved at some point.
I hope that this is beneficial to your thinking, and I wish you luck in this endeavor.
L8R/Ross
Craig Fulladosa wrote:
> Hello Angel,
> Why did I get such a poor response? Did I not have a good subject title? Or
> was it because I am infrequent in my postings? I think this is something
> many Clay Arters would do.
> I am glad you wrote about my idea of a Clay Tile Memorial for the victims of
> the September 11th Tragedy If you or anyone else wants to help get this
> project going then great. I do believe this is something that will need
> hundreds maybe thousands of potters, tile makers, sculptors to make it
> really happen. I am sure we could coordinate this with some memorial group
> in NY. Let's run the idea by a few of those groups and see what kind of
> response we get, ok? I was about to give up hope. You are the only response
> I got. I was going to send another post but decided not to. I think it could
> really go well, if everyone participated a little. There was a lady from
> Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of tiles for an International
> Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard. Tiles from all over the
> world. I am not sure how it should look. I was thinking of making them in
> red white and blue to become a giant American Flag Mosaic with textures,
> symbols, words imprinted by each artist with information provided from the
> families about their loved one. There are so many different possibilities.
>
> Craig Fulladosa
> the Clayman
> craigfull@earthlink.net
> http://clayman.lookscool.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angel Rue [mailto:prettypotter@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:20 AM
> To: theclayman@EARTHLINK.NET
> Subject: Sept 11 th tile memorial
>
> I would be glad to make a few tiles (30 to 50) I can
> have people from my pottery classes help.
>
> Please keep me posted as you develop the project
> plan... let me know if you need any help planning,
> ideas on brainstorming ect... I am a very proficient
> project planner.
>
> __________________________________________________
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Janet Kaiser on wed 10 oct 01
Dear Craig
I guess you meant me? Sorry, but I missed your original
posting. The lack of response from others is sad,
because tiles are an ideal way of making a lasting and
durable memorial. A collective project could become
part of the structure of a new WTC if you get involved
with the city authorities, the architects, etc. if/when
it is rebuilt. Or if you are thinking of another site
(Washington, Pennsylvania or an unknown spot in the
centre of continental North America) you'll maybe
become involved in a memorial garden or plaza?
Some thoughts which should help you if you go ahead
with this project:
1. Be very clear on what you want from individual
makers (shape, size, colours, glazes, etc.) before you
start promoting the idea and soliciting tiles. If you
work with other official bodies, they will need a
precise description anyway. I would hesitate about
choosing a colour scheme, especially red, white and
blue. Not only are there a huge range of hues, but
anything approaching the colours of a flag would mean
low-fired tiles... Try to be as encouraging to all
makers as possible, but be clear about who they are. Do
you want just professional potters or can school
children take part? Being internationally inclusive is
very difficult, but well worth the effort.
2. Be strict about the "specifications" you decide upon
and the standard of work you will accept. Be prepared
to have to discard tiles which do not fit... Very hard
to do, but necessary to retain a certain standard and
quality. Reasons can be anything from "technical"
faults to companies thinking this is a great way to
advertise their products... Self-promotion of that type
should be addressed before you get abusive mail!
(You'll be surprised what licence is taken however you
write the "rules").
3. Depending on the size (one tile to represent each
person killed or injured on Sept. 11th?) you must be
prepared to have a generous storage space whilst
collecting the tiles. We have an old type-set chest
maybe 100x40x120 cm which only holds about 400. I guess
if we had stored all 5,000 before starting, we would
need a garage at the very least.
You will also need a way of setting out the tiles
before you start sticking them down. We have designed
them into areas of colour which go from blue to green
to yellow to orange to red to brown... This is very
effective and preferable to random placement, which
IMHO does not work very well and is not visually
pleasing. The colour "swirls" are also visible from a
height/distance - something which may be very important
for you.
4. Inform people what will happen well in advance.
Don't state a deadline, because once that has passed
everyone will presume they have missed the submission
date. Say something like "Deadline: when XXX suitable
tiles have arrived". We learned the hard way... Once
the Y2K date passed, everyone who had originally said,
"What a great idea! I wanna take part" then thought it
had been and gone and they had missed taking part. We
were 4,500 short of the target and tiles just dried
up... It has taken a very long time assuring people we
still need their contributions.
5. If you intend making a site map you will have to
number each and every tile as it arrives with the name
of the maker. The list of numbers/names/addresses is
vital, so you can link tiles to individual makers on
the site... You then need to plot these tile
numbers on graph paper as you lay them... This is quite
a logistical exercise and difficult to get exactly
right.
6. Calculate the cost and get the funding sorted at an
early stage. We made the mistake of thinking it would
not cost much more than printing some leaflets and a
few sacks of cement. Postage, phone, photos, pebbles,
sand, steel reinforcement, cement, fixative, grouting
and a great many man-hours (hard labour through office
work) later... Well, like anything worth while it takes
a huge amount of input which costs one way or another.
Not least spreading word of the project... Other people
have been involved translating the information into
other languages, taking leaflets to their local potters
or sending to friends abroad, spreading word/promoting
the project, even commissioning a tile, but Eckhard and
I have had to pay about £600 to date and I think the
completed Path will cost near to £2,000 (excluding
labour). The donors have borne the cost of making and
mailing, and without their tremendous generosity there
simply would not be any chance of getting the idea off
the ground... I would suggest calculating about $10 per
participant/tile when applying for funding, especially
if you are going to mail a photograph of tiles to
makers in the finished project and pay for professional
tile-laying.
F.Y.I. The International Potters' Path is certainly NOT
finished yet!!!? Three years on and we still need more
than 3,000 tiles to complete it. I just have not
mentioned it in a while, because I don't want to be
guilty of advertising/self-promotion. The area to cover
is approx. 50 square metres. That is about 5000 tiles
total, so each tile (square 4 x 4 inches/10 x 10 cm and
1/2 inch / 1 cm thick) will represent about 1.2 million
people in the finished Path.
Many countries are sadly not represented yet, but we
hope they will before the Path is completed...
Especially those which are really the home of ceramics
like China, Korea and Japan. Also those countries in
Africa, Asia and the Americas where language is
probably the main difficulty spreading the word... Even
European makers in countries like Hungary, Poland,
Finland, Russia are hard to get involved without
personal contact of some kind. Not everyone understands
English or other major European languages.
Thanks to many Clay Arters, we will be adding some more
to Phase II this winter. Off the top of my head, tiles
which have arrived over the summer added to those not
used in Phase I include Clay Buddies Stephanie
Stephenson, Valice Raffi (students), Marcia Selsor,
Toni Smith, Patti Petit (and students), Sara O'Neill,
Bonnie Hellman, Irene Stephens, Lena Wells, Mel, USA;
Alisa Clausen DK; Francoise Melville, Al Sather, CAN;
Maggie Woodhead, Lyn Packer NZ; Pierre Brayford UK...
Those whose tiles are already in the Path include Anji
Henderson, Veena R., Heidrun Schmidt, DeLana Hornbeck
(and students), Kurt Wild, Father Anthony, Snail
Scott, Günter & Nikki Hermans...
Actually, the list is far too long to include
everyone here, but you get the idea... (To see a
complete list go to the PATHMAKERS page on
http://www.the-coa.org.uk web site).
Francoise Bazard wrote a great two page article in the
Aug/Sept 2001 issue of "Relations de Terre" and Alisa
Clausen was featured on the front page of her local
"Budstikken Aabenraa" newspaper... A great way of
helping to promote her own work locally whilst adding a
bit of Denmark to The Path...
Anyway, I wish you luck Craig! It is a great idea and I
am sure you will get a great many volunteers once you
decide on what the project will be. Potting people are
very generous folk. Just say who, what, when, where...
Just don't forget that "The road to hell is paved with
good intentions"... I do believe there are tiles
intended for The International Potters' Path on shelves
over the world! :-)
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art . Capel Celfyddyd
HOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL POTTERS' PATH
Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales Tel: (01766) 523570
E-mail: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
WEBSITE: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
> There was a lady from
> Europe that asked for hundreds maybe thousands of
tiles for an International
> Tile path. It actually was built from what I heard.
Tiles from all over the
> world. I am not sure how it should look. I was
thinking of making them in
> red white and blue to become a giant American Flag
Mosaic with textures,
> symbols, words imprinted by each artist with
information provided from the
> families about their loved one. There are so many
different possibilities.
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