josh Eyedontno on wed 10 oct 01
Hi There All, I am in the very ealry stages of
building a woodkiln (anagama, but others also) in an
urban setting. Possibilities include but are not
limited to a downtown setting, or on the edge of town
in a lose residential area. I'll be the first to
acknowledge that these might not be the first choices
for many of us for all sorts of reasons and
challenges, but I am looking for a responses to a
particular question/concern. That concern is emission
control. I have not heard of an anagama in a downtown
center.. so if there is one out there what are you
doing? I've considered some industries have faced
similar problems..so what have they done? That said
they might have had some system inside there stacks
but, I would think something in your stack could mess
with your draft and fire. I would welcome any and all
suggestions to my querries. Thanks- josh
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Des Howard on wed 10 oct 01
Josh
I seem to remember an article, but can't remember the source,
about a 3 chamber noborigama in Japan that was woodfired in the
first 2 chambers set with pots & gas fired in the last chamber set
with refractory shapes, net result, clear emissions from chimney.
Des
josh Eyedontno wrote:
> Hi There All, I am in the very ealry stages of
> building a woodkiln (anagama, but others also) in an
> urban setting. Possibilities include but are not
> limited to a downtown setting, or on the edge of town
> in a lose residential area. I'll be the first to
> acknowledge that these might not be the first choices
> for many of us for all sorts of reasons and
> challenges, but I am looking for a responses to a
> particular question/concern. That concern is emission
> control. I have not heard of an anagama in a downtown
> center.. so if there is one out there what are you
> doing? I've considered some industries have faced
> similar problems..so what have they done? That said
> they might have had some system inside there stacks
> but, I would think something in your stack could mess
> with your draft and fire. I would welcome any and all
> suggestions to my querries. Thanks- josh
>
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Jocelyn McAuley on wed 10 oct 01
Hi Josh
Our university has an anagama in an urban setting, close to downtown, and
right along the Willamette River bike path. Oddly, I've never heard of a
need to be concerned about our emissions, and we do get the periods of
dark smoke coming out of the stack. We do notify the fire department
before every outdoor smoky firing, woodfire included.
This might not be the way things will work where you are. It's just how
it has worked for us.
Given our location near populous areas, our emissions do attract attention
from passers-by... People curious/concerned about the shooting flames in
the night, people wondering "how many trees we are killing in the name of
art", people just wondering what in the heck are we doing, and why are we
working so hard. One memorable occasion was on one of my night shifts
when our flames attracted the attentions of a roving group of very drunk
first year students. They couldn't believe what we were doing and were
very impressed. They even christened our kiln for us (with budweiser) and
took turns having their pictures taken with the kiln!
Please keep us updated on how this goes for you.
Good luck!
Jocelyn
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Hank Murrow on wed 10 oct 01
>Hi There All, I am in the very ealry stages of
>building a woodkiln (anagama, but others also) in an
>urban setting. Possibilities include but are not
>limited to a downtown setting, or on the edge of town
>in a lose residential area. I'll be the first to
>acknowledge that these might not be the first choices
>for many of us for all sorts of reasons and
>challenges, but I am looking for a responses to a
>particular question/concern. That concern is emission
>control. I have not heard of an anagama in a downtown
>center.. so if there is one out there what are you
>doing? I've considered some industries have faced
>similar problems..so what have they done? That said
>they might have had some system inside there stacks
>but, I would think something in your stack could mess
>with your draft and fire. I would welcome any and all
>suggestions to my querries. Thanks- josh
Dear Josh;
The University of Oregon maintains a student-built, and very pretty
anagama on campus and next to both a busy highway and a research park.
Emission problems were largely solved by adding a water misting system,
which serves both to bring down any loose flyash, as well as cooling the
stokers. This works pretty well.
In addition, the fire marshall and local departments are alerted
when the kiln is due to be firing, thus avoiding the false alarms from
passerbys. to date, these precautions have succeeded in keeping the powers
that be off our backs, and the future appears good for this facility.
Regards, Hank in Eugene
Nikki Simmons on wed 10 oct 01
Josh,
Here in Missouri, emissions of all kinds are evaluated/monitored by the
Department of Natural Resources. Division of Air Quality is who should be
asked this question. I currently do not have a wood firing kiln HOWEVER...
I have spent the past two weeks talking with OSHA, DNR, and other related
agencies. One of the specific questions I asked was, "What happens when I
get a wood or other fuel burning kiln?"
To summarize: they try and help you determine how much stuff coming out of
your stack is hazardous, this allows them to determine if you fall above or
below emission standards. With the discussions we had, we agreed that I
most likely will be BELOW those standards. They said that when I get it
built to call and they would check things out. Emissions are measured by
tons per year. (If that gives you any indication.) I should also add that
how much your emissions are determine if you need a permit or not.
If I was above emission standards they would suggest measures to help
control. They pointed out that not all emission controls are expensive. As
Hank Murrow mentioned, a water mister could easily be a cheap and effective
solution that Missouri DNR might be willing to permit.
One caution that was discussed at every meeting...while studio potters might
not be regulated at the moment, that could change in the future. Every
person I talked to was incredibly friendly and wanted to convey that they
were there to help. SO they wanted me to understand that the people who get
in the most trouble are the ones who ignore the law or act stupid.
Frequently on Clayart someone will say that they are "hoping not to get
caught". From what I have learned, I sure hope those naysayers don't.
For anyone in Missouri, I will be happy to share any info I can. Other
states should be able to find at least one friendly official in their
locale. :-) I love Missouri, we have many!
Sincerely,
Nikki Simmons
nsimmons@mid-mo.net
Les Crimp on thu 11 oct 01
Josh -
We are firing a noborigama ( Tozan Kiln) built by Yukio Yamamoto at the
Malaspina University here in Nanaimo, B.C. ( Vancouver Island).
This is in an urban area although it is not densely surrounded by homes.
Our federal and provincial environmental agencies are "on our backs" every
time we fire which is about two times a year. Believe me, it is a big
hassle.
If you can build your kiln in a rural area instead of the city, do it. You
will probably save the growth of a lot of grey hair and retain your sanity
much more easily.
Les Crimp on that Island in the Pacific.
lcrimp@home.com
John Baymore on thu 11 oct 01
I am in the very ealry stages of building a woodkiln (anagama, but others=
also) in an urban setting. Possibilities include but are not limited to a=
downtown setting, or on the edge of town in a lose residential area. I'll=
be the first to acknowledge that these might not be the first choices for=
many of us for all sorts of reasons and challenges, but I am looking for =
a
responses to a particular question/concern. That concern is emission
control.
Hi Josh.
Been there, done that, bought the T shirt . Years ago. (see below) =
Been wood firing since 1969. Currently fire a four chamber noborigama in=
a
distinctly NON-urban setting.
Got yourself a project..... you do .
Wood kilns and urban settings are, as a broad generality, a VERY large
mismatch. Of the types of wood kilns one can build, an anagama is probab=
ly
the most mismatched of the possible wood kiln types to build in an urban
setting due to its primitive firebox and direct-to-chimney circulation
path. Can be done......... but likely will require great care, solid kil=
n
design knowledge, careful fire management, alteration of usual firing
cycles, possible alteration to the "usual" design, and sometimes lots of
MONEY. Probably BIG money if you need to go fully "legal".
Oh... and very good relationships with your immediate neighbors. VERY
good. Work those relationships .
Right off the top, one thing I hope you'll give GOOD due consideration
before you go ahead with this project, is the impact YOUR proposed kiln(s=
)
might have on all the OTHER wood kilns in your town, state, and your
country in general. Not sure where you are located, since some countries=
may be more concerned about emmissions than others. The USA certainly is=
.
Here in the USA, the EPA's PM10 emissions standard along with the Emissio=
ns
Opacity rule pretty much makes ALL typical potter's wood kilns in the
country in violation of emission standards.......... unless the effluent =
is
somehow "scrubbed". Period....done deal. The only reason we don't all g=
et
shut right down is because we are very much "small potatoes" and don't ge=
t
actively looked at UNLESS there is a specific complaint. The EPA and stat=
e
DEQ's are used to looking at emissions by multiple tons....... in that
regard, most potters don't even show up on their radar screen. With a
complaint however....... they do have jurisdiction....... and will becom=
e
involved.
(As an aside here...... in many locales a potter does need an
emissions/operating permit even for a gas kiln. The potters don't know
it, and the regulators don't even know the potters exist. They're too bu=
sy
looking at "industry". So no one really does it....and no one enforces t=
he
law. So things just go on as if there were no laws that apply. Again...=
.a
situation waiting for a complaint to pop to the surface and surprise the
poor potter. BTW...the PM 10 regs apply to
gas/oil/charcoal/bellybuttonlint kilns too. If you fire REALLY dirty (ba=
d
firing practices....unnecessary) you can exceed the regs too.)
The more rural the setting, the more UNLIKELY that a complaint will be
filed....since rural folks are used to more agricultural and "close to
nature" operations than those in the city. Wood fires are pretty much a
normal aspect of life in the country. In the city.... quick...call the
fire department . Plus, in cities the impact of the automobile is
horrendous on air quality to start with........ so any additional insult =
to
the air really can BE an issue.
The more "NIMBY" the neighborhood... the more likely you will have a
problem. Also, you don't say if you are an individual or an institution.=
=
Sometimes institutions of higher learning can get away with stuff an
individual would have problems with....... because people assume that tha=
t
are doing stuff legally and/or know what they are doing. "That smoke mus=
t
be OK Martha, .... it's coming from the University of Pyromania" . =
Sometimes however.... institutions have administrations that go STRICTLY =
by
every letter of the law....... and such things are actually HARDER to do =
at
those places.
An anagama in "full belch"....looking sort of like like a coal fired choo=
choo train going right thru town, would give a US EPA emissions inspector=
a
coronary on the spot .
In the "keeping things in perspective" department relative to wood kilns
emissions........ I'd bet one engine of a 747 taking off is putting out=
FAR more "junk" in a few minutes that any handcraft potter's kiln probabl=
y
will in a year . Stand at a street corner in a city and count the car=
s
for a half hour......... you want to talk about emissions and their impac=
t
on the environment? Even with the scrubbing in place... the "leftovers"
from many industrial process stacks STILL put out more junk than a craft
potter will. Our potential problem with any of our kilns is that we are
not looked at as an important "cog" in the wheel of industry and the
pursuit of money and votes,........... not that we are such huge pollutio=
n
sources. We would be "easy" to shut down.
A "high profile" case involving a wood kiln could draw the attention of t=
he
governmental agencies (either local, state, or country) down on ALL
woodkilns. This could result in a woodkiln "witch hunt". This would
happen even though 18 wheelers will still go merrily along belching diese=
l
smoke, gazillions of cars will commute into the city with single
passengers, mass transit will continue to be non-existant, home fireplace=
s
and wood stoves will continue on unhindered, town municipalities will bur=
n
brush piles, and so on. This is because potters have NO real political
clout as a group. Potters are not seen as a necessity. Potters don't
number enough to represent a voting bloc. The aesthetics of woodfire are=
"lost" on the masses. And so on. See the archives for a LOT more on thi=
s
whole concept...... been discussed a bunch....and I don't have time to go=
into all of it again right now. If I remember correctly you might look
under the topic of "Tozan Kiln Shut Down" or something like that..... I
think a bunch of this discussion ran off that topic.
A goodly number of years ago here in New Hampshire, USA, there was a salt=
firing potter who located into an urban setting thinking nothing of what
might happen. Vehement complaints from neighbors about that particular
installation brought the "wrath of the State" down on ALL salt kilns in t=
he
whole state. It did start a "witch hunt". The "powers that be" knew
nothing about potter's salt kilns before it was thrust to their full
attention by this situation. The State didn't know...and didn't care. =
Probably didn't WANT to care...... more important issues to take care of.=
=
But once the city neighborhood was "up in arms"...... they HAD to care. =
Even after it came to their attention, they still really knew little abou=
t
them or their emissions, but they still attempted to shut all salt kilns
down in the state UNLESS the potter installed industrial type emissions
controls (read that as EXPENSIVE). A couple of them did this....... =
including the original "offender". The rest "hid" their firing practices=
or stopped completely. Most stopped. This pretty much eliminated salt
firers here in NH to this day. A couple have crept silently back
in.....but one complaint and "zap".
Rural New Hampshire.... land of the "stealth" salt kiln .
I have not heard of an anagama in a downtowncenter.. so if there is one o=
ut
there what are you doing?
There might be a reason .
A pretty long time ago...... late 70's (?).......... for some very concre=
te
reasons having nothing to do with simply WANTING to have a wood
kiln......... I constructed a 3 chamber woodfired noborigama right betwee=
n
Children's Hospital and Beth Israel Hospital in Boston. This was done wh=
en
I was the FT technician at Massachusetts College of Art. It was done whe=
n
the State (Massart's a state school), in all it's infinite wisdom, shut
down our entire fuel fired kiln facility for renovations which would last=
a
full year..... suddenly....without more than a few weeks warning, just
before the beginning of the fall semester!!!!! That wood kiln did ALL th=
e
fuel firing for the entire department for a year. It was a SURVIVAL
measure to begin with....but became a very positive feature of the school=
's
facilities later. Massart's program at that time was HUGE. Lots of ware=
to process. Undergrads and grads depending on the opertion. Tons of
elective students. Only 5 small electrics.
Had we not done that wood kiln.... we would have been pretty much focusin=
g
on "conceptual ceramics" for a year .
I selected a noborigma for efficiency of output volume relative to amount=
of labor and wood processed. Aesthetic issues were secondary (but NICE
).
That noborigama remained in use after our gas facility was restored.... a=
nd
was utilized for many, many years after that. It is long gone now that
Massart has relocated to the old Boston State campus. That kiln started =
a
lot of people off woodfirng, and the team building and learning that went=
on was tremendous. I have very fond memories from that time. Have some
great pictures of the Massart parking lot with cords and cords of wood
being split by students. Still remember the subtle scent of wood smok=
e
during the end of the all night preheat phase, as dawn broke over a still=
quiet Boston and we sat talking quitely and sipping tea. It brought such=
a
nice "country feel" to the city, and gave the students a pretty unique
experience for an urban school. Oops... I digress .
That kiln had a main firebox (dogima) design that was very clean burning
(unlike most anagamas), and the dual stacks had an afterburner system
(powered off a pair of 40 lb propane trailer cylinders) to clean up VISIB=
LE
emissions (not fine particulate). While there WAS some smoke leaking off=
the stoke holes, blow holes, and spy ports...... the kiln chimneys burned=
visually "clean" outside the building. At the peak of the firing they
looked like the afterburner on a fighter jet.......... 4 feet of nicely
shaped blue flame. No smoke. The smoke leaking into the kiln room was
picked up by the excellent general dilution ventilation and was SO dilute=
d
with fresh air that it was not visible where it exited the building.
The focus I put into the kiln design was on controlling visible emissions=
. =
No complaints....... no inspectors. No inspectors....... no check for
particulates. No visible smoke......... no complaints. Simple, but stil=
l
not strictly legal.
I've considered some industries have faced similar problems..so what have=
they done? That said they might have had some system inside there stacks
but, I would think something in your stack could mess with your draft and=
fire. I would welcome any and all suggestions to my querries.
Industry does address the particulate emmissions problem relative to the =
PM
10 regs. And it can be solved. Coal fired plants do. There are also
plenty of wood fired electric generation plants that solve it. Problem i=
s
that it is ABSURDLY expensive to do when compared to the idea of producin=
g
handcraft pottery. Maybe in Japan where the valuation of wood fired
handcrafted pots is SO much greater, it makes some form of sense. But in=
the USA it is pretty much "out of balance". You'll need an industrial
engineering firm to do it correctly, and for a typical anagama I would be=
surprised if you can do it for less than $20-30 K for the emissions
controls alone. Then there is the ongoing operational costs and upkeep.
Yes, as you mention, the emissions controls will affect the draft flow in=
the kiln. The impact has to be engineered into the kiln design. That is=
one of the reasons you'll likely need an industrial kiln firm to assist o=
n
the project.
Going for a completely "scrubbed" effluent is not really practical for th=
e
handcraft potter. Getting the "worst of it" and eliminating the
"attention" the kiln gets is another matter. A system that will cut only=
the visible smoke is easier to build at more of a "potter budget". =
I've tried things like a fine water mist located over the chimney exit
point....... which certainly works to decrease the smoke a bit....... but=
seems to create a lot of wet ground and drainage issues and sometimes mak=
es
a lot of steam.....which itself is attention getting. In an urban
setting.... the drainage issue can be a real problem if the ground is
paved, or there is no place for runoff. The most effective system I've
built to eliminate smoke on a wood kiln is an afterburner system.
Bascically, in a nut shell, you need to raise the chimney temperature wel=
l
above ignition temperature of the effluent gases, supply fresh air (or O2=
)
well in excess of that needed for the combustion of the afterburner's fue=
l
itself, induce enough turbulence so that the excess air you supply mixes
well with the unburned gases in the kiln effluent stream, provide enough
space/time to complete the combustion, and bingo....... minimal smoke and=
lower particulates.
Practical considerations include that the chimney will now effectively be=
a
firebox with VERY high temperatures. The refractory selection for the
chimney lining will be VERY important, as will insulating the chimney
itself to maintain the high temperature. The roof penetration point
becomes more problematic.......... the chimney is now one of the HOTTEST
points in the kiln, not the lowest. And the volume of air that you
introduce into the chimney will impact the draft flow and therefore the
sizing of the cross section of the chimney(s).
Also...... you will likely have the "jet afterburner look" at the top of
the chimney. This visible flame can be shielded by a layer of metal that=
is bigger in diameter than the end point of the stack, added above the
termination of the stack, and stood off the actual chimney so that it let=
s
dilution air into the bottom area. Sort of like a venturi burner primary=
air inlet. You've probably seen this approach on some
commercial/industrial stacks and not realized what it was. This plume of=
blue flame at the top of the stack(s), if left visible, MAY still get you=
complaints from "fire-ly challenged" neighbors .
You can relocate the afterburner input point to work in the "smoke chambe=
r"
that is often present in anagama and noborigama designs. This moves the
high heat point down to where it may be more easily managable and may
eliminate the plume of flame at the chimney exit point.
The afterburner concept WILL decrease the particulate emissions along wit=
h
the visible qualities.... but still will not bring them down to EPA PM 10=
standards.
So...... hope something here is of use to you. Check the archives...... =
I
would be surprised if you don't find lots.
Best,
..............................john
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086 USA
603-654-2752 (s)
800-900-1110 (s)
JohnBaymore.com
JBaymore@compuserve.com
John.Baymore@GSD-CO.com
"Earth, Water, and Fire Noborigama Woodfiring Workshop 2002 Dates TBA"
LOWELL BAKER on fri 12 oct 01
I designed a kiln and conducted a workshop in Berkeley, CA last
spring where we build a combination sawdust fired and gas fired
kiln. I took a walk around the block when the kiln was at about
cone 8-10. I could smell the smoke but could not see any
evidence of the firing.
There was nothing special about the design of the kiln. It is a
cross draft with a low firebox on one side. It was brought up to red
heat with three forced air burners, then we started feeding sawdust
at an air fuel mixture that did not smoke. Heat gain was good.
Ash deposits were light. There were some cool spots in the
bottom corners near the flue, but otherwise the firing was reported
to be relatively even.
This kiln ( about 35 cubic feet of stacking space) was built in a
small back yard less than ten feet from a neighboring building. The
area where the kiln was built is mixed residential and light
commercial.
This type of firing can be done but you should never expect
Anagama type results.
W. Lowell Baker
The University of Alabama
BonitaCohn@AOL.COM on sat 13 oct 01
Hi josh. For several years, Richard Carter fired the anagama in downtown
Napa. The main advice is, let the fire department dispatcher know when you
are firing. Keep a firing log. Keep it neat and clean around the kiln (no
beer cans)! So it shows you are responsible, when they do show up.
In daylight, keep the stoking minimal, use the passive damper for reduction.
Use slow burning oak in daytime. One little piece of scrap wine crate pine
can make a lotta smoke. After dark, rev it up, then simmer in daylight,
maintain it with a log or two every ten or fifteen minutes, with it all
dampered down, and minimal air intake as well.
If you salt, do it before sunrise.
Of course, because of the forced relocation for the Napa River Flood project,
that kiln has been torn down. At the new location in Pope Valley, after a
year of amazingly hard work by Richard Carter and friends, the new one is
completed. We will fire next week, its maiden voyage. I'll let y'all know how
it turns out. I hope the snakes are gone!
Bonita in San Francisco, where it is finally like summer!
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