Nikki Simmons on wed 10 oct 01
Hi Clayart,
Remember that 1 ton of A.P. Green Silica CEMENT that I got for free that is
taking up my husband's shop? I got some great suggestions on what to
do...the one that stuck in my head was, get it analyzed. Good idea.
So I called Alfred a while back and asked what he would charge to do an
analysis. He about had a cow when I told him I didn't have the MSDS sheet.
He said he would not know what to test for without it. AND that it would
cost in the neighborhood of thousands of dollars to get it tested. I
explained that if I had the MSDS sheet, I would not need his services, oh
well.
So I think about this silly ton of stuff sitting in our garage when I can't
sleep at 3 o'clock in the morning. I have not run any of my own tests yet.
(kiln has been broken, just recently got it fixed)
Now I am not sure if I am asking a question or just needing to think out
loud...
I know that I can run various tests on this stuff: how does it melt, does it
have any strength (extruded rods), etc
But after I run these tests, I am not really sure I will be any closer to an
answer. Because I am thinking, do I risk using this in my claybody or
glazes without having a clue what is really in it?
Curious to hear what some of you think,
Sincerely,
Nikki Simmons
nsimmons@mid-mo.net
Nikki Simmons on thu 11 oct 01
Hello yet again Clayart,
I have been swamped with the following questions: Why don't you call AP
Green? Where did you get this stuff, etc...
That is a darn good question...please read the following that I posted (with
a little editing) to Clayart in January.
Sincerely,
Nikki Simmons
nsimmons@mid-mo.net
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Hello Clayart,
I could use some help with figuring out what exactly is in these 20 bags of
50 lbs. Story how I got it follows.
A.P. Green
Code No. 13F
UNITIE
05-79400-53
crystaline silica, cement
I live not far from Mexico, MO the home of A.P. Green. I got a call from a
friend named Amy, who is from there. A good friend of her stepdad's had this
stuff in his garage and wanted to give it away. He told her that he had
called A.P. Green and someone told him it was potter's clay. Amy having no
where to store it asked me if I was interested, I said sure and we went to
pick it up.
When we got there, I read the bags and realized that this was probably some
kind of mortar. So I took it anyway hoping that I could use it to build a
future kiln. The guy said he got it from someone who had tried to pour a
patio with it, major cracking. So we brought the whole ton of stuff home
and
it has been sitting in the middle of my husband's workshop. He is getting
antsy.
Both my husband and I have called various departments at the factory in
Mexico and have gotten ZERO helpful information.
To summarize:
They think these bags are a special mix, but can't find any record of it.
They also think that it was processed before they got bought out. They tell
me they have no idea what it is for, (duh, even I figured that out). And
that I should just throw it away because they will not be responsible if I
use it in an improper manner. I did get one guy to suggest it might be
mortar for a glass furnace. BINGO! He and I knowing nothing about
glass....
I should add that when we requested MSDS sheets they were unable to produce
them. When my husband suggested that OSHA might be able to help us they
quickly produced 2 possible sheets that still did not tell us anything,
including what exactly was in the bag.
Please excuse me if I sound hostile toward A.P. Green but their customer
service is lacking in politeness and knowledge.
Klyf Brown on fri 12 oct 01
Hi Nikki
You can try the national depository of MSDS site. I have found most
things I have ever needed here http://www.msdssearch.com/
Gotta be cheaper
The one msds they did not have was on watter. I have continually
asked my supplier (the city of Las Cruces) to provide me with the
federally mandated msds and they wont dispite the fact that I have
pointed out the obvious hazzards such as prolonged breathing of the
compound they sell, but to no avail.
Klyf Brown In New Mexico where we are having a hell of a dust
storm, anyone out there have a msds on an aggregate of Arizona soil?
10/10/01 9:50:34 PM, Nikki Simmons MO.NET> wrote:
>Hi Clayart,
>
>Remember that 1 ton of A.P. Green Silica CEMENT that I got for
free that is
>taking up my husband's shop? I got some great suggestions on
what to
>do...the one that stuck in my head was, get it analyzed. Good idea.
>
>So I called Alfred a while back and asked what he would charge to
do an
>analysis. He about had a cow when I told him I didn't have the
MSDS sheet.
>He said he would not know what to test for without it. AND that it
would
>cost in the neighborhood of thousands of dollars to get it tested. I
>explained that if I had the MSDS sheet, I would not need his
services, oh
>well.
>
>So I think about this silly ton of stuff sitting in our garage when I can't
>sleep at 3 o'clock in the morning. I have not run any of my own
tests yet.
>(kiln has been broken, just recently got it fixed)
>
>Now I am not sure if I am asking a question or just needing to think
out
>loud...
>
>I know that I can run various tests on this stuff: how does it melt,
does it
>have any strength (extruded rods), etc
>
>But after I run these tests, I am not really sure I will be any closer to
an
>answer. Because I am thinking, do I risk using this in my claybody
or
>glazes without having a clue what is really in it?
>
>Curious to hear what some of you think,
>Sincerely,
>Nikki Simmons
>nsimmons@mid-mo.net
>
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Earl Brunner on fri 12 oct 01
If it was some kind of special order mix in the first place I wouldn't
be too hard on A P Green. Since they can't seem to identify the
ingredients of the material, why don't you do some tests on it as if it
was a locally mined "found" material?
You could certainly mix some water in some of it and see if it has any
portland cement type material in it to make it set up hard. Might
indicate that it is some kind of castable refractory.
You could add some water to some and see if it becomes plastic (possibly
throwable)
You could dry some of it either way and fire some of the material (set
up like cement, or plastic like clay) and see if it will take high heat
Cone 10.
You could check it for shrinkage, absorption, etc.
You may never know exactly what it is, but you would know if it was
something that you might could use either as a refractory, claybody
material, or glaze material. After all, you do have about a ton of it.
Nikki Simmons wrote:
> Hello yet again Clayart,
>
> I have been swamped with the following questions: Why don't you call AP
> Green? Where did you get this stuff, etc...
>
> That is a darn good question...please read the following that I posted (with
> a little editing) to Clayart in January.
>
> Sincerely,
> Nikki Simmons
> nsimmons@mid-mo.net
>
> ------------
> Hello Clayart,
>
> I could use some help with figuring out what exactly is in these 20 bags of
> 50 lbs. Story how I got it follows.
>
> A.P. Green
> Code No. 13F
> UNITIE
> 05-79400-53
> crystaline silica, cement
>
> I live not far from Mexico, MO the home of A.P. Green. I got a call from a
> friend named Amy, who is from there. A good friend of her stepdad's had this
> stuff in his garage and wanted to give it away. He told her that he had
> called A.P. Green and someone told him it was potter's clay. Amy having no
> where to store it asked me if I was interested, I said sure and we went to
> pick it up.
>
> When we got there, I read the bags and realized that this was probably some
> kind of mortar. So I took it anyway hoping that I could use it to build a
> future kiln. The guy said he got it from someone who had tried to pour a
> patio with it, major cracking. So we brought the whole ton of stuff home
> and
> it has been sitting in the middle of my husband's workshop. He is getting
> antsy.
>
> Both my husband and I have called various departments at the factory in
> Mexico and have gotten ZERO helpful information.
>
> To summarize:
> They think these bags are a special mix, but can't find any record of it.
> They also think that it was processed before they got bought out. They tell
> me they have no idea what it is for, (duh, even I figured that out). And
> that I should just throw it away because they will not be responsible if I
> use it in an improper manner. I did get one guy to suggest it might be
> mortar for a glass furnace. BINGO! He and I knowing nothing about
> glass....
>
> I should add that when we requested MSDS sheets they were unable to produce
> them. When my husband suggested that OSHA might be able to help us they
> quickly produced 2 possible sheets that still did not tell us anything,
> including what exactly was in the bag.
>
> Please excuse me if I sound hostile toward A.P. Green but their customer
> service is lacking in politeness and knowledge.
>
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Alan D. Scott on sat 13 oct 01
Somewhere in a box I do have an MSDS for water. It's 7-9 pages long, all
100% dead serious. We got it from a supplier along with some ultra-pure
water for a lab process. I'll keep digging...
Klyf: I'll find an MSDS for AZ stuff if someone will get me one for the CA
stuff that's blowing overhead here :-)
Alan (in Parker, AZ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Klyf Brown
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 20:04
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: My Ton Of AP Green Silica Cement
Hi Nikki
You can try the national depository of MSDS site. I have found most
things I have ever needed here http://www.msdssearch.com/
Gotta be cheaper
The one msds they did not have was on watter. I have continually
asked my supplier (the city of Las Cruces) to provide me with the
federally mandated msds and they wont dispite the fact that I have
pointed out the obvious hazzards such as prolonged breathing of the
compound they sell, but to no avail.
Klyf Brown In New Mexico where we are having a hell of a dust
storm, anyone out there have a msds on an aggregate of Arizona soil?
10/10/01 9:50:34 PM, Nikki Simmons MO.NET> wrote:
>Hi Clayart,
>
>Remember that 1 ton of A.P. Green Silica CEMENT that I got for
free that is
>taking up my husband's shop? I got some great suggestions on
what to
>do...the one that stuck in my head was, get it analyzed. Good idea.
>
>So I called Alfred a while back and asked what he would charge to
do an
>analysis. He about had a cow when I told him I didn't have the
MSDS sheet.
>He said he would not know what to test for without it. AND that it
would
>cost in the neighborhood of thousands of dollars to get it tested. I
>explained that if I had the MSDS sheet, I would not need his
services, oh
>well.
>
>So I think about this silly ton of stuff sitting in our garage when I can't
>sleep at 3 o'clock in the morning. I have not run any of my own
tests yet.
>(kiln has been broken, just recently got it fixed)
>
>Now I am not sure if I am asking a question or just needing to think
out
>loud...
>
>I know that I can run various tests on this stuff: how does it melt,
does it
>have any strength (extruded rods), etc
>
>But after I run these tests, I am not really sure I will be any closer to
an
>answer. Because I am thinking, do I risk using this in my claybody
or
>glazes without having a clue what is really in it?
>
>Curious to hear what some of you think,
>Sincerely,
>Nikki Simmons
>nsimmons@mid-mo.net
>
>___________________________________________________
___________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
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