L. P. Skeen on sun 21 oct 01
This is a good explanation, Vicki, and covers things I hadn't thought of
like postage and time issues. I want to host some workshops at our studio
in the future - planning to host Vince in May next year. I have a dilemma,
which Vince says is not really a dilemma, but in my mind it seems I have a
conflict of interest, not necessarily with Vince's workshop, but in general.
I am the president of the local clay guild. We host workshops about 9x/yr,
and they are usually held at a community college that is somewhat nearby.
The teacher at that studio is a long-time guild member, and has generously
offered our gratis use of that studio for several years, but the location
can be a haul for many of our members. I now have the space to host
workshops (closer to some members) and would like to do so, and will often
host them gratis for the guild, but will sometimes want to co-sponsor one
with the guild, say when we can get a really faboo artist that I feel I
can't afford to have on my own. I fear that I may have a conflict of
interest, in that I'm out to make a buck or two, but the guild is not,
necessarily. I don't know how to resolve this issue. Feedback appreciated
greatly!
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki Katz
To:
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: Workshop $$$
> I can tell you where the money goes:
>
> The first thing I do ALWAYS is discuss fees with the artists. I know that
it
> takes time to prepare for a workshop, the artist's expertise, equipment,
> travel & food. I do not try to set their fee as I want the presenter to
feel
> positive about the workshop. I encourage each artist to sell their work
> and/or books at the workshop. I feel it brings something special to the
> presentation.
>
> I take into account the fee of the location of the workshop ... sometimes
I
> have paid the owner $300/day & $500/day as often the business is closed
for
> the workshop presentation.
>
> Next, I budget for the food I serve the participants, artists &/or spouse.
> That is a chunk as I really like good food.
>
> Finally, I must add $$$ for promoting the workshop: copies, mail/postage,
> ads in professional journals, my long distance phone bills, etc.
>
> Then I divide those cost by the number of people who I hope will attend
the
> workshop & come up with the workshop fee which is charged to the
participants.
>
> If extra people sign-up & there is more money than expected ... I pay the
> artist extra first - for several reasons, primarily because I respect the
> artist. Then I pay myself a bit ( trust me, it is not much & usually
zero )
> for the organization, time & money I have personally put into the
workshop.
> Because if the workshop does not "make" no one is out upfront money but
me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Vicki Katz
>
>
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Vicki Katz on mon 22 oct 01
I can tell you where the money goes:
The first thing I do ALWAYS is discuss fees with the artists. I know that it
takes time to prepare for a workshop, the artist's expertise, equipment,
travel & food. I do not try to set their fee as I want the presenter to feel
positive about the workshop. I encourage each artist to sell their work
and/or books at the workshop. I feel it brings something special to the
presentation.
I take into account the fee of the location of the workshop ... sometimes I
have paid the owner $300/day & $500/day as often the business is closed for
the workshop presentation.
Next, I budget for the food I serve the participants, artists &/or spouse.
That is a chunk as I really like good food.
Finally, I must add $$$ for promoting the workshop: copies, mail/postage,
ads in professional journals, my long distance phone bills, etc.
Then I divide those cost by the number of people who I hope will attend the
workshop & come up with the workshop fee which is charged to the participants.
If extra people sign-up & there is more money than expected ... I pay the
artist extra first - for several reasons, primarily because I respect the
artist. Then I pay myself a bit ( trust me, it is not much & usually zero )
for the organization, time & money I have personally put into the workshop.
Because if the workshop does not "make" no one is out upfront money but me.
Sincerely,
Vicki Katz
m markey on mon 22 oct 01
Hi Lisa!
Unless your guild's bylaws prevent the President or others on the guild's board, from co-sponsoring an event that will benefit both the guild and themselves, I see no conflict here. It appears to be a "win-win" deal for both of you.
Be sure to draw up a written agreement with your guild, and make copies for everybody on the Board. Indicate the costs the guild will bear for the event, as well as the costs you will bear. Make it clear that both the guild and you will share the profit, if any. As long as everything is spelled out clearly, and the Board approves of your plan, you can not be in conflict of interest.
Best wishes to you! Let us know how your endeavours turn out.
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: "L. P. Skeen"
Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Workshop $$$
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:12:11 -0400
This is a good explanation, Vicki, and covers things I hadn't thought of
like postage and time issues. I want to host some workshops at our studio
in the future - planning to host Vince in May next year. I have a dilemma,
which Vince says is not really a dilemma, but in my mind it seems I have a
conflict of interest, not necessarily with Vince's workshop, but in general.
I am the president of the local clay guild. We host workshops about 9x/yr,
and they are usually held at a community college that is somewhat nearby.
The teacher at that studio is a long-time guild member, and has generously
offered our gratis use of that studio for several years, but the location
can be a haul for many of our members. I now have the space to host
workshops (closer to some members) and would like to do so, and will often
host them gratis for the guild, but will sometimes want to co-sponsor one
with the guild, say when we can get a really faboo artist that I feel I
can't afford to have on my own. I fear that I may have a conflict of
interest, in that I'm out to make a buck or two, but the guild is not,
necessarily. I don't know how to resolve this issue. Feedback appreciated
greatly!
----- Original Message -----
From: Vicki Katz
To:
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: Workshop $$$
> I can tell you where the money goes:
>
> The first thing I do ALWAYS is discuss fees with the artists. I know that
it
> takes time to prepare for a workshop, the artist's expertise, equipment,
> travel & food. I do not try to set their fee as I want the presenter to
feel
> positive about the workshop. I encourage each artist to sell their work
> and/or books at the workshop. I feel it brings something special to the
> presentation.
>
> I take into account the fee of the location of the workshop ... sometimes
I
> have paid the owner $300/day & $500/day as often the business is closed
for
> the workshop presentation.
>
> Next, I budget for the food I serve the participants, artists &/or spouse.
> That is a chunk as I really like good food.
>
> Finally, I must add $$$ for promoting the workshop: copies, mail/postage,
> ads in professional journals, my long distance phone bills, etc.
>
> Then I divide those cost by the number of people who I hope will attend
the
> workshop & come up with the workshop fee which is charged to the
participants.
>
> If extra people sign-up & there is more money than expected ... I pay the
> artist extra first - for several reasons, primarily because I respect the
> artist. Then I pay myself a bit ( trust me, it is not much & usually
zero )
> for the organization, time & money I have personally put into the
workshop.
> Because if the workshop does not "make" no one is out upfront money but
me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Vicki Katz
>
>
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>
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melpots@pclink.com.
>
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