dayton j grant on wed 24 oct 01
I think you got it , i think if the student dosent get it from just
watching then you should sit opposite them and have them pkeep their
hands in passive contact with the peice as you throw it and sometimes it
can help if you physically direct their hands to show how much pressure
with exactly which prt of the hands at what rate of progress is necessary
and drawing the objective on a peice of paper or a chalkboard is also
very helpful to most as it is hard to explain adjustments to the wall
thickness or profile without cutting the pot in half and in cold reality
some people just dont have the 'geshtalt' right away and they have to
practice the basics of wedging,centering extruding and profiling for
various lengths of time before being able to execute an entire
'choreography' on one peice of clay from start to finish....thats what
'I' think anyways. ; )
D.G.
Earl Brunner on wed 24 oct 01
I have had students that are totally disgruntled if I have to "touch"
their pots in the process of helping them with a problem. "Just TELL me
how to fix it!" Well, if they want my help, they get it my way. If
anything they make is too "precious" and consequently "ruined" by my
touching, then that's the price of help. They need to learn to get over
it. Call it a demo piece and put it in the slip bucket when I'm done.
I can't have a continual variety of "demo" pieces sitting around in
various stages for whenever they need help.
I have others that insist on keeping the pot and putting my name on the
bottom as a collaborative effort (I'd really rather they didn't) but at
least when they chose to keep such a piece, they are acknowledging that
it isn't really "theirs".
dayton j grant wrote:
> I think you got it , i think if the student dosent get it from just
> watching then you should sit opposite them and have them pkeep their
> hands in passive contact with the peice as you throw it and sometimes it
> can help if you physically direct their hands to show how much pressure
> with exactly which prt of the hands at what rate of progress is necessary
> and drawing the objective on a peice of paper or a chalkboard is also
> very helpful to most as it is hard to explain adjustments to the wall
> thickness or profile without cutting the pot in half and in cold reality
> some people just dont have the 'geshtalt' right away and they have to
> practice the basics of wedging,centering extruding and profiling for
> various lengths of time before being able to execute an entire
> 'choreography' on one peice of clay from start to finish....thats what
> 'I' think anyways. ; )
> D.G.
>
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claybair on wed 24 oct 01
Sorry Earl I have to disagree with your one style fits all.
Students have different learning styles and personalities.
I think you are ignoring that fact. A student who is tactile
may want you to touch their pots. A auditory student may just
want you to tell him. A pot may be "precious" for many reasons and
your unwanted hands on approach may totally blow them off.
I learned this the hard way. When I was 11 a teacher "helped" me with a
pastel drawing. It was something I labored on for hours and was the best
I had ever done. She came over and casually put in some highlights. At the
end of the class there was a "show" in which that piece was displayed....
I was so upset I refused to acknowledge it as mine. You may think this is
minor
but for me at the time it was a big deal. Yes, I got over it and yes I cut
pieces on the wheel
in half all the time but I wasn't always that way. It was a maturity I had
to reach my way.
I would entreat you to respect your students varying learning styles.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
I have had students that are totally disgruntled if I have to "touch"
their pots in the process of helping them with a problem. "Just TELL me
how to fix it!" Well, if they want my help, they get it my way. If
anything they make is too "precious" and consequently "ruined" by my
touching, then that's the price of help. They need to learn to get over
it. Call it a demo piece and put it in the slip bucket when I'm done.
I can't have a continual variety of "demo" pieces sitting around in
various stages for whenever they need help.
I have others that insist on keeping the pot and putting my name on the
bottom as a collaborative effort (I'd really rather they didn't) but at
least when they chose to keep such a piece, they are acknowledging that
it isn't really "theirs".
dayton j grant wrote:
> I think you got it , i think if the student dosent get it from just
> watching then you should sit opposite them and have them pkeep their
> hands in passive contact with the peice as you throw it and sometimes it
> can help if you physically direct their hands to show how much pressure
> with exactly which prt of the hands at what rate of progress is necessary
> and drawing the objective on a peice of paper or a chalkboard is also
> very helpful to most as it is hard to explain adjustments to the wall
> thickness or profile without cutting the pot in half and in cold reality
> some people just dont have the 'geshtalt' right away and they have to
> practice the basics of wedging,centering extruding and profiling for
> various lengths of time before being able to execute an entire
> 'choreography' on one peice of clay from start to finish....thats what
> 'I' think anyways. ; )
> D.G.
>
>
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Earl Brunner on wed 24 oct 01
First off, I was speaking in the context of teaching beginners, and
basic skills, They can't center, they are trying to pull with the hands
on the wrong side of the pot etc. etc. I don't touch if they don't
want, but I can teacher much more effectively IF they can feel the
pressure, etc. I still teach them if they don't want that kind of help,
it's just not the best way. Or not MY best way. Most of my students I
think consider me to be a pretty good teacher, (haven't heard them
behind my back) :)
claybair wrote:
> Sorry Earl I have to disagree with your one style fits all.
> Students have different learning styles and personalities.
> I think you are ignoring that fact. A student who is tactile
> may want you to touch their pots. A auditory student may just
> want you to tell him. A pot may be "precious" for many reasons and
> your unwanted hands on approach may totally blow them off.
> I learned this the hard way. When I was 11 a teacher "helped" me with a
> pastel drawing. It was something I labored on for hours and was the best
> I had ever done. She came over and casually put in some highlights. At the
> end of the class there was a "show" in which that piece was displayed....
> I was so upset I refused to acknowledge it as mine. You may think this is
> minor
> but for me at the time it was a big deal. Yes, I got over it and yes I cut
> pieces on the wheel
> in half all the time but I wasn't always that way. It was a maturity I had
> to reach my way.
> I would entreat you to respect your students varying learning styles.
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
>
> I have had students that are totally disgruntled if I have to "touch"
> their pots in the process of helping them with a problem. "Just TELL me
> how to fix it!" Well, if they want my help, they get it my way. If
> anything they make is too "precious" and consequently "ruined" by my
> touching, then that's the price of help. They need to learn to get over
> it. Call it a demo piece and put it in the slip bucket when I'm done.
> I can't have a continual variety of "demo" pieces sitting around in
> various stages for whenever they need help.
>
> I have others that insist on keeping the pot and putting my name on the
> bottom as a collaborative effort (I'd really rather they didn't) but at
> least when they chose to keep such a piece, they are acknowledging that
> it isn't really "theirs".
>
> dayton j grant wrote:
>
>
>> I think you got it , i think if the student dosent get it from just
>> watching then you should sit opposite them and have them pkeep their
>> hands in passive contact with the peice as you throw it and sometimes it
>> can help if you physically direct their hands to show how much pressure
>> with exactly which prt of the hands at what rate of progress is necessary
>> and drawing the objective on a peice of paper or a chalkboard is also
>> very helpful to most as it is hard to explain adjustments to the wall
>> thickness or profile without cutting the pot in half and in cold reality
>> some people just dont have the 'geshtalt' right away and they have to
>> practice the basics of wedging,centering extruding and profiling for
>> various lengths of time before being able to execute an entire
>> 'choreography' on one peice of clay from start to finish....thats what
>> 'I' think anyways. ; )
>> D.G.
>>
>>
>
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>
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> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
> bruec@anv.net
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