Eric Suchman on sat 27 oct 01
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show and compettion.
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Tony Ferguson on tue 30 oct 01
$75 is elitist if you ask me--they can kiss my bonsai!
Tony Duluth, MN
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Subject: Re: Bonsai pot competition
> I don't do a lot of competitions, but a $75 entry fee seems a little high
to
> me. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
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James M. Jenigen on tue 30 oct 01
I don't do a lot of competitions, but a $75 entry fee seems a little high to
me. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
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Pagan by Nature
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vince pitelka on wed 31 oct 01
> $75 is elitist if you ask me--they can kiss my bonsai!
No matter what kind of exhibition this is, a $75 entry fee is completely
absurd. It is elitist, classist, and discriminatory. I do not know the
details of this exhibition, but unless there is some very compelling reason
to fork over $75 entry fee, I would avoid this exhibition.
- Vince
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ASHPOTS@AOL.COM on wed 31 oct 01
I was real happy to read about the competion, i mean i make lots of plant
containers. Anyway $75 ???????????
I think they are crazy. But thats just me. It seems i have thrown all kinds
of money away trying to get into shows but this one aint getting mine
Capt Mark
Lookout Mountain Pottery
Rising Fawn Ga
Eric Suchman on wed 31 oct 01
Pagan by Nature
.
$75.00 is an awful lot of money for an entrance fee. I didn't really let it
sink in when I read it before I posted it. Sorry.
>From: "James M. Jenigen"
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>Subject: Re: Bonsai pot competition
>Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:58:45 -0500
>
>I don't do a lot of competitions, but a $75 entry fee seems a little high
>to
>me. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
>
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>Subject: Bonsai pot competition
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$75.00 is an awful lit of money for an entrance fee. I didn't really let it
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John Baymore on wed 31 oct 01
I don't do a lot of competitions, but a $75 entry fee seems a little high=
to me. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
Seems like a great way to fund the "cash awards" without having to risk
much dough up front. Let's see....... 1000 applicants equals $75,000
dollars gross income from the artists alone. Not bad work if you can get=
it . I got one of these flyers in the mail and had the same "gut"
reaction to it. And I routinely make bonsai pots and have a heavy Japane=
se
influence in my work.....so from that perspective this kind of competitio=
n
interests me. But I agree that it seems a bit steep.
Rather pay a hefty commission on the sales of the pieces end and start ou=
t
with a much lower "app" fee. That puts the onus of generating some sales=
from the show onto the promoter of the exhibition. No sales..... no mone=
y
. Good for BOTH parties. High show app fee....... good only for the
show organizer.
Best,
..............................john
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River Bend Pottery
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Earl Brunner on thu 1 nov 01
I like the way people that are not potters want to use potters, or pots,
or potters money (what little any of us have). Funny how they are SURE
that we will just jump at the chance to get some "recognition".
Paul Ringo wrote:
>>
Pagan by Nature
>> The National Bonsai Foundation has their applications ready for their
>
> juried
>
>> show and competition.
>> < www.bonsai-nbf.com >
>>
>
> The National Bonsai Federation is sponsoring this competition in part to help stimulate potters to produce high quality, creative American bonsai pots (which is not as easy to do as one might think). I'm sure the registration fee goes to support the (non-profit) organization and potters will get lots of name recognition (read business) by displaying and creating bonsai pots. Since bonsai is not a widespread hobby, the people that do grow trees have a deep appreciation for pots and the intricacies of making pots so the money invested in registering might be a good investment in advertising if nothing else. I'd encourage anyone interested to check it out and give it a try after talking to some folks that grow bonsai and maybe visiting a few sites on the net to get some ideas about proportions and specifics of bonsai pot design. It's an art unto itself.
>
> Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La
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Debi Rudman on thu 1 nov 01
I agree that the $75 fee is too high...and it's a shame because I was going
to use it as a project for my advanced ceramics students.
I received the mailing at school, made copies, distributed them to my
advanced ceramics students...got them all jazzed up about making bonsai pots
for competition since we'd been studying japanese influence...had taken them
to see Albert Green's work and talked about his Hamada influence..got them
all excited for another field trip to study bonsai pots at a local
arboretum...then...I went home that evening and really *read* the mailing
(OK..I should have really read it before I handed it out, but, I figured the
entry fee would either be free - since it involves other
countries/relations/etc or about $25...I'd never seen a $75 fee so wasn't
worried about that!).
Went back this week and told them about the $75 fee...their faces dropped
(they hadn't *really* read it over the week either ;-). Now, I'm not giving
up on it...I'm trying to find a way to subsidize it because I think it would
be a great learning experience - and fun...but, I can't expect them to fund
the show.
Debi Rudman
Debi Lampert Rudman
Ceramics Instructor, duCret School of Art, Plainfield, NJ
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Click here: Then type in DJL. Then click on DJL Design at left.
Cindy Strnad on thu 1 nov 01
Dear Debbi,
How about doing your own competition? Maybe have a
local bonsai club judge for you?
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
claybair on thu 1 nov 01
Debi,
You might consider having a show at your school.
You just might be able to get a Bonsai maven to volunteer &
come to the school for a workshop and to jury the work.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Debi Rudman wrote>>
November 01, 2001 5:47 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Bonsai Pot Competition
I agree that the $75 fee is too high...and it's a shame because I was going
to use it as a project for my advanced ceramics students.
I received the mailing at school, made copies, distributed them to my
advanced ceramics students...got them all jazzed up about making bonsai pots
for competition since we'd been studying japanese influence...had taken them
to see Albert Green's work and talked about his Hamada influence..got them
all excited for another field trip to study bonsai pots at a local
arboretum...then...I went home that evening and really *read* the mailing
(OK..I should have really read it before I handed it out, but, I figured the
entry fee would either be free - since it involves other
countries/relations/etc or about $25...I'd never seen a $75 fee so wasn't
worried about that!).
Went back this week and told them about the $75 fee...their faces dropped
(they hadn't *really* read it over the week either ;-). Now, I'm not
giving
up on it...I'm trying to find a way to subsidize it because I think it would
be a great learning experience - and fun...but, I can't expect them to fund
the show.
Debi Rudman
Debi Lampert Rudman
Ceramics Instructor, duCret School of Art, Plainfield, NJ
Visit my Ceramics website:
Recognition at art well accomplished is one thing. Money in the =
pocket is something else and that's what's potentially there for skilled =
bonsai pot makers. An 8x12 pot would sell for much more than the $75 =
entry fee and once a reputation is established more orders are certainly =
going to follow. High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and =
glazes if appropriate are quite pricey when compared with most pottery =
and time spent developing the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's =
financial agenda. I'm just a hobbyist who started making bonsai pots a =
couple months ago so I don't know all the ins and outs of competitions, =
prizes (which are worth paying attention to in this particular =
competition), marketing and registration fees but this doesn't seem out =
of line to me if you think you've got a chance of winning. Recognition =
is a side benefit that would help most small businesses and ripple =
through the bonsai community like wildfire. Plus it's fun.
Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.=20
Tony Ferguson on sat 3 nov 01
There is no rational justification to charge $75 dollars to enter anything
unless you have enormous prizes and costs without any other source of income
generated to support the exhibition and prizes. This is taking advantage of
the artist's entry fee and desire for recognition--not supporting the
dissemination and value of the creative process and its torch bearers.
Tony Ferguson
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From: "Paul Ringo"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: Bonsai pot competition
Funny how they are SURE
that we will just jump at the chance to get some "recognition".
Recognition at art well accomplished is one thing. Money in the pocket
is something else and that's what's potentially there for skilled bonsai pot
makers. An 8x12 pot would sell for much more than the $75 entry fee and
once a reputation is established more orders are certainly going to follow.
High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and glazes if appropriate
are quite pricey when compared with most pottery and time spent developing
the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's financial agenda. I'm just a
hobbyist who started making bonsai pots a couple months ago so I don't know
all the ins and outs of competitions, prizes (which are worth paying
attention to in this particular competition), marketing and registration
fees but this doesn't seem out of line to me if you think you've got a
chance of winning. Recognition is a side benefit that would help most small
businesses and ripple through the bonsai community like wildfire. Plus it's
fun.
Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.
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Earl Brunner on sun 4 nov 01
Think cactus pots.
Klyf Brown wrote:
> I have allways been fond of Bonsai and like the pots too, but never
> tried making one. With all the posts lately on the competition I just
> had to give it a shot. Went out to the shop this morning and worked
> up a new extruder die for the walls and another for the feet. They
> assembled beautifully when they stiffened up a bit. A right handsome
> pot if I do say so myself. Not that difficult to make. The extruder die
> is one of the easiest to make that I have done except for the coil one.
> I'll be pumpin out the Bonsai pots now!!
> Klyf Brown in New Mexico, I wonder if there is a market for Bonsai
> pots in NM and west Texas.
>
> 11/4/01 5:20:50 AM, KYancey
> wrote:
>
>
>> Paul Ringo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and glazes if
>>
> appropriate are quite pricey when compared with most pottery and
> time spent developing the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's
> financial agenda. Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.
>
>> I had to chuckle at that statement. Sorry, Paul, I mean you no
>
> disrespect but that is a pretty narrow statement. The world of pottery
> is vast. Bonsai pots are just one very small part of it.
>
>> It does seem that you are successful at making them, so keep up the
>
> good work and good luck with the competition. Ken
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KYancey on sun 4 nov 01
Paul Ringo wrote:
> High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and glazes if appropriate are quite pricey when compared with most pottery and time spent developing the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's financial agenda. Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.
I had to chuckle at that statement. Sorry, Paul, I mean you no disrespect but that is a pretty narrow statement. The world of pottery is vast. Bonsai pots are just one very small part of it.
It does seem that you are successful at making them, so keep up the good work and good luck with the competition. Ken
Maid O'Mud on sun 4 nov 01
Cindy said:
"I almost used a quote from clay art on the last
person who called: "I'd get more recognition if I
streaked down main street."
You almost got it right. Replace "recognition" with exposure, and =
you're there! I remember that discussion vividly as I quote it from =
time to time; or variations thereof such as "exposure? An artist can =
get cold/freeze/die from all this exposure!"
The last time the local church asked for a donation, I told them to set =
a minimum bid price, or I wouldn't donate. This caught on with a number =
of artists in my area, and this year the church made far more! than it =
ever has during the silent auction. Now _that_ made me feel good :-)
Sam
Maid O'Mud Pottery
Melbourne, Ontario CANADA
"Effort does not always
equal output" sam, 1999
karen gringhuis on sun 4 nov 01
Paul Ringo's informative post gave a clear explanation
of this well-respected competition. Instead of firing
from the lip and calling it "elitist," "professional"
sounds more appropriate to me.
To see some stellar bonsai pots, check out
www.crataegus.com
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Earl Brunner on sun 4 nov 01
Right, we just aren't "professional enough guys. Professionals don't
think a $75.00 entry fee is excessive.
karen gringhuis wrote:
> Paul Ringo's informative post gave a clear explanation
> of this well-respected competition. Instead of firing
> from the lip and calling it "elitist," "professional"
> sounds more appropriate to me.
>
> To see some stellar bonsai pots, check out
>
> www.crataegus.com
>
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> KG Pottery
> Box 607 Alfred NY 14802
>
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Klyf Brown on sun 4 nov 01
I have allways been fond of Bonsai and like the pots too, but never
tried making one. With all the posts lately on the competition I just
had to give it a shot. Went out to the shop this morning and worked
up a new extruder die for the walls and another for the feet. They
assembled beautifully when they stiffened up a bit. A right handsome
pot if I do say so myself. Not that difficult to make. The extruder die
is one of the easiest to make that I have done except for the coil one.
I'll be pumpin out the Bonsai pots now!!
Klyf Brown in New Mexico, I wonder if there is a market for Bonsai
pots in NM and west Texas.
11/4/01 5:20:50 AM, KYancey
wrote:
>Paul Ringo wrote:
>
>> High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and glazes if
appropriate are quite pricey when compared with most pottery and
time spent developing the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's
financial agenda. Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.
>
>I had to chuckle at that statement. Sorry, Paul, I mean you no
disrespect but that is a pretty narrow statement. The world of pottery
is vast. Bonsai pots are just one very small part of it.
>
>It does seem that you are successful at making them, so keep up the
good work and good luck with the competition. Ken
>
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Klyf Brown on mon 5 nov 01
Dai,
I am using 1/2" Baltic plywood. It comes in 5'x5' boards. I paid
$16 for it. That makes a lot of dies. First I rip them on a radial arm
saw to the right width, five inches up to fourteen inches, and then
change the saw around and cut them to square dimensions (5 to 14").
Just like artimator keeps snakes around, I keep lots of die blanks
around. Most pros will tell you to draw your idea on paper first, but I
like to draw right on the blank. I have two sides if I don't like the first
drawing. I start all dies by drawing an X from point to point, that gives
me the centre, then with a tri square I draw in the diaganol lines. I then
use a compass to lay in the outer limit of the design (set at 1.5" for 3"
design).
The ones I made yesterday are very simple one line drawings that are
the sides of the Bonsai pots. Just looks like a squiggle on a board. For
these types of dies I prefer a Roto-Zip tool. Use the plywood 1/8"
bits and you have to go back on one side and widen the line. It took
me a bit of practice with this tool, but I have gotten to really like it.
The Baltic Birch is very abrasive and tight grained, go slow or you
burn or break bits. It is really easy to go back and forth on your line
to refine it. Also the choppy bit marks can lend an interesting desing
element in some dies. For the die for the feet, I drilled two intersecting
1/4" holes in a blank. Done.
I use a 45 degree bit in a router that is mounted in a table to bevil the
dies.
The two dies required for a Baosai pot took me about fifteen minutes
to draw, cut out and rout.
Tonight I made a complex hollow die. A 4" hexagon, every other side
curves inward, every other one is flat. 3/16" wall. For the more
complex curves and sharp corners I use a scroll saw (around $100
new). I am still getting used to it, I usually break a coupla of blades
per design. This die required about two hours to make from design to
welding the support frame, cut out, routing and sanding. I am not a
professional at any of these trades (wood, welding, drafting, designing
etc). It probably took about ten dies before I started to like what was
comming out. At one point I almost gave up and was ready to order
some store bought dies from Baily. But they only have the basic
shapes, and I want MORE! So I knuckled under and stuck with it
and am now starting to make better dies.
I considered metal but it is so hard to work with unless you have a
plasma cutter (that would be way cool). And it is not as cheap as the
plywood.
I only destroyed one larger die so far with the pressure (I have a bad
boy pneumatic 5"ram) and that was due to not having enough anchor
points on the perimeter. I remade the die and used more mounts and it
worked fine. I have also used the birch for tile dies up to 4X14 with
no problems.
I have really become addicted to this extruder stuff, there are so many
possibilities, is this hex shape a box, a vase, mug, sculptuer??
I was very pleased with the way the extruded walls went together to
make this Bonsai pot. Lots of fun. Really great fun when the die
works the first time!
Klyf Brown , way the heck south of you and probably warmer too.
(if you like, I can shoot you a pic of the dies and mail them to you off
list).
11/5/01 1:50:19 AM, Dai Scott
wrote:
>Klyf, can you tell me what you make your extruder dies out of, and
what you
>cut them with? Your post sounds like you just went out to the studio
and
>whipped up a couple of dies. It seems to take forever around here
to make
>dies; we make them out of plexiglass, using a drill or Dremel, and it's
a
>tedious process. Nothing seems to cut/drill the plexiglass very well,
and
>it's hard to free-hand the bevelled edge---most of our home-made
dies look
>like someone CHEWED them out! I'm thinking a thin metal would
be better,
>but wonder what other people use.
>Dai in Kelowna, BC
>"There is no right way to do the wrong thing."
>potterybydai@shaw.ca
>
Dai Scott on mon 5 nov 01
Klyf, can you tell me what you make your extruder dies out of, and what you
cut them with? Your post sounds like you just went out to the studio and
whipped up a couple of dies. It seems to take forever around here to make
dies; we make them out of plexiglass, using a drill or Dremel, and it's a
tedious process. Nothing seems to cut/drill the plexiglass very well, and
it's hard to free-hand the bevelled edge---most of our home-made dies look
like someone CHEWED them out! I'm thinking a thin metal would be better,
but wonder what other people use.
Dai in Kelowna, BC
"There is no right way to do the wrong thing."
potterybydai@shaw.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klyf Brown"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Bonsai pot competition
> I have allways been fond of Bonsai and like the pots too, but never
> tried making one. With all the posts lately on the competition I just
> had to give it a shot. Went out to the shop this morning and worked
> up a new extruder die for the walls and another for the feet. They
> assembled beautifully when they stiffened up a bit. A right handsome
> pot if I do say so myself. Not that difficult to make. The extruder die
> is one of the easiest to make that I have done except for the coil one.
> I'll be pumpin out the Bonsai pots now!!
> Klyf Brown in New Mexico, I wonder if there is a market for Bonsai
> pots in NM and west Texas.
>
> 11/4/01 5:20:50 AM, KYancey
> wrote:
>
> >Paul Ringo wrote:
> >
> >> High quality bonsai pots made with the right clays and glazes if
> appropriate are quite pricey when compared with most pottery and
> time spent developing the skill could add a boost to almost anyone's
> financial agenda. Paul Ringo, Lake Charles, La.
> >
> >I had to chuckle at that statement. Sorry, Paul, I mean you no
> disrespect but that is a pretty narrow statement. The world of pottery
> is vast. Bonsai pots are just one very small part of it.
> >
> >It does seem that you are successful at making them, so keep up the
> good work and good luck with the competition. Ken
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Cindy Strnad on thu 8 nov 01
All right!
Now, I can confess I've had visions of totally
cool bonsai pots dancing in my head. I don't
suppose that would do, though. I know you gotta
have a subdued pot to complement the tree, a pot
which will meet the trees needs regarding size,
drainage, etc., but other than that, do these guys
really want something original, or just more of
the same, maybe with different decoration? Because
all the bonsai pots I've been seeing on-line
appear to belong to the same blood line. Much too
precise for me. I'm a very asymmetrical person.
What do you think?
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
Luis Fontanills on thu 8 nov 01
Fellow ceramic & bonsai friends. Your comments have been heard and responded
to. The entry fee is now $35. See the following post by Chris Cochrane on the
Internet Bonsai Club (IBC). And check out the link.
Click here: Second North American Juried Bonsai Pot Competition
Regards,
Luis Fontanills
Miami, Florida USA
____________________________
<Pot Competition should check-out
http://www.bonsai-nbf.org/nbf/potcomp2002/02bonsaipotrules.htm
The application fee has been reduced from $75 to $35 for each artist, who
may
enter either one or two pots.
Best wishes,
Chris... C. Cochrane, sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA>>
Khaimraj Seepersad on thu 8 nov 01
Hello and Good Day to All ,
Yeah Luis and what about those of us down
here in South America ???
When do we get a shot at the moon ?
Stay Well ,
Khaimraj
-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Fontanills
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: 08 November 2001 10:51
Subject: Re: Bonsai pot competition
Fellow ceramic & bonsai friends. Your comments have been heard and responded
to. The entry fee is now $35. See the following post by Chris Cochrane on
the
Internet Bonsai Club (IBC). And check out the link.
HREF="http://www.bonsai-nbf.org/nbf/potcomp2002/02bonsaipotrules.htm">Click
here: Second North American Juried Bonsai Pot Competition
Regards,
Luis Fontanills
Miami, Florida USA
____________________________
<Pot Competition should check-out
http://www.bonsai-nbf.org/nbf/potcomp2002/02bonsaipotrules.htm
The application fee has been reduced from $75 to $35 for each artist, who
may
enter either one or two pots.
Best wishes,
Chris... C. Cochrane, sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA>>
Paul Ringo on thu 8 nov 01
Those considering entering pots in the Second North American Juried =
Bonsai
Pot Competition should check-out
http://www.bonsai-nbf.org/nbf/potcomp2002/02bonsaipotrules.htm. The
application fee has been reduced from $75 to $35 for each artist, who =
may
enter either one or two pots.
vince pitelka on thu 8 nov 01
> Fellow ceramic & bonsai friends. Your comments have been heard and
responded
> to. The entry fee is now $35. See the following post by Chris Cochrane on
the
> Internet Bonsai Club (IBC). And check out the link.
Wow. The power of Clayart!
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
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Klyf Brown on fri 9 nov 01
Cindy,
I have never studied the "rules" of Bonsai posts, but just from what I
have seen and heard, there is a great tradition and philosophy behind
the esthetics of the pot involved, matched to tree, Zen stuff.
But I agree with you, I am ready for the Neveau Bonsai. We western
potters don't respect the traditions behind Raku; why should we
follow their dictums for Bonsai?
When I built this little Bonsai pot recently, I envisioned it in a Raku
finish. Pure black or a crackle glaze. Even the copper would probably
look good. How about pit fired Bonsai pots? I think they would be
stunning in a crystal glaze too.
Perhaps the problem is that if we do these kind of pots, they take
away from the tree. I don't see why both the tree and the pot can't be
works of art. Maybe it is because you are supposed to be transported
to the mountaintop where the real tree is growing out of a crevace
when you view the Bonsai and a wild pot would detract from that
experience.
But I don't live in downtown Tokyo, and that tree grows in that
crevace not far from my home and I can go visit the real thing (I did
just last week).
Neveau Bonsai will probably not get anywhere in the current
competition going on, and there may not be a market among the
traditionalists, but the West being what it is, I bet there is a market for
flashy Bonsai pots.
I say lets go for it. Down with the boring nondescript Bonsai pots.
Klyf Brown, going to go for the Raku Bonsai
11/8/01 8:09:00 PM, Cindy Strnad
wrote:
>All right!
>
>Now, I can confess I've had visions of totally
>cool bonsai pots dancing in my head. I don't
>suppose that would do, though. I know you gotta
>have a subdued pot to complement the tree, a pot
>which will meet the trees needs regarding size,
>drainage, etc., but other than that, do these guys
>really want something original, or just more of
>the same, maybe with different decoration? Because
>all the bonsai pots I've been seeing on-line
>appear to belong to the same blood line. Much too
>precise for me. I'm a very asymmetrical person.
>What do you think?
>
>Cindy Strnad
KYancey on fri 9 nov 01
Cindy Strnad wrote:
> ...all the bonsai pots I've been seeing on-line
> appear to belong to the same blood line. Much too
> precise for me. I'm a very asymmetrical person.
> What do you think?
Cindy, there is a type of bonsai pot that is shaped somewhat like a half-moon where
the tree should grow from the bottom of the crescent outwards. The idea is to
create the look of a tree growing out of a crevise in the side of a cliff, boulder,
tree, what-have-you. Gosh, I can't find my bonsai book right now but there is a
term for this type of container. If this type is allowed in the competition, then
it could be fun. Ken Y.
Eric Suchman on fri 9 nov 01
Pagan by Nature
Cindy,
I think you should follow your bliss and submit the results rather than
playing to the crowd.
Bonsai was at first not an art of training trees but an art of digging trees
up that had had tortured lives and 'framing' them in a pot for one to focus
one's attention on the form of the tree. The idea of bonsai now is to
mimic, through training, a tree with a tortured life. Trees with tortured
lives in nature often lived in odd, barren, unfortuitous, and 'asymetrical'
places.
Hope that this helps.
-Eric
in oceanside california
>From: Cindy Strnad
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Bonsai pot competition
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:09:00 -0700
>
>All right!
>
>Now, I can confess I've had visions of totally
>cool bonsai pots dancing in my head. I don't
>suppose that would do, though. I know you gotta
>have a subdued pot to complement the tree, a pot
>which will meet the trees needs regarding size,
>drainage, etc., but other than that, do these guys
>really want something original, or just more of
>the same, maybe with different decoration? Because
>all the bonsai pots I've been seeing on-line
>appear to belong to the same blood line. Much too
>precise for me. I'm a very asymmetrical person.
>What do you think?
>
>Cindy Strnad
>Earthen Vessels Pottery
>RR 1, Box 51
>Custer, SD 57730
>USA
>cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
>http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
>
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claybair on fri 9 nov 01
When have we damn Yankees ever adhered to colonial or any rules!
Go for it Cindy! I would think that the only thing you really have to
consider is
the depth and drainage. My ikebana vases follow no rules, make them to my
aesthetics
and have sold every one!
Gayle Bair- a firm believer that rules are made to be broken.
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Cindy wrote>>
All right!
Now, I can confess I've had visions of totally
cool bonsai pots dancing in my head. I don't
suppose that would do, though. I know you gotta
have a subdued pot to complement the tree, a pot
which will meet the trees needs regarding size,
drainage, etc., but other than that, do these guys
really want something original, or just more of
the same, maybe with different decoration? Because
all the bonsai pots I've been seeing on-line
appear to belong to the same blood line. Much too
precise for me. I'm a very asymmetrical person.
What do you think?
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
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