Janet Kaiser on tue 30 oct 01
Google.com is my favourite search engine because it is
pretty good at listing sites which actually have
something to do with the words typed in... Others seem
to list all sorts of sites which have absolutely
nothing at all to do with what one is looking for.
Anyway, I was recently searching for images of a famous
local UK politician (David Lloyd George) when I started
randomly typing in the names of clay buds... I know
that many of you have web sites, but the images which
turned up on the search were mostly from galleries,
collections and the likes, but not your own sites...
This appears to me to be quite a fault or at least an
omission by web masters/mistresses? If someone is
looking specifically for your work, surely they should
be directed to you and not third parties like those
nasty galleries?!?!
It may therefore be worth your while to label all your
images differently? Make a habit of not just having
"TITLE, DESCRIPTION" but maybe including something
like: "wood-fired gezunder made by NAME" or "NAME:
salt-glazed whatnot" Although it would not be your
first thought to include your name in every "alt" label
on your own site, it would probably guarantee that your
work does show up on an image search?
Surely good for business and information purposes? Not
only would this help collectors and individual
clients... Remember galleries are looking for work via
the net these days and do not confine themselves to
co-operative, guild, association and other collective
sites.
Perhaps a date would also help people to know which is
your most recent work? "Name: title, description DATE"
would be an additional service to prospective
past/present/future clients who want to keep up with
your work and development?
Indeed, "Name: title, description, date, $PRICE" would
also be great! Remember there is no limit... May become
a useful marketing tool and a whole lot more
informative than just putting image name.jpeg (.gif or
whatever) and byte size.
It is just a thought!
Janet Kaiser - just wondering where the limit would
be...
"Love my pot, love me"?
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Janet Kaiser on wed 31 oct 01
Yes, Anji.... Meta-tags are very important for getting
pages recognised by search engines. Some only check out
the meta-tags. Others look through the content (words)
of your page/s as well as the meta-tags. It depends
which search engine you use.
But I think IMAGES fall into another category
completely... Well they seem to with GOOGLE.com Whereas
the "My Wonderful Family" and "Woof our German
Shepherd" type web sites seldom appear in site
searches, family photos do have rather a high profile
on image searches...
It probably looks for .jpeg, .jpg, .gif, .bmp image
tags PLUS the description or "alt" text. Even so it
comes up with some weird results! Search for "mel
jacobson" and you also get what looks like a packet of
chicken feed as well as several other buttons and
banners, which I don't think have much to do with OUR
mel. Maybe he has a Doppelgänger who sells chicken
feed? You never know with those crazy Minnetonkans of
Norwegian descent!
An excellent web site for helping webmasters and
mistresses is http://www.bruceclay.com/ Bruce Clay has
all sorts of understandable explanations and examples
which helps non-geeks and anoraks. I cannot remember
the site which lists which search engines use which
techniques, but there is one "out there". Of course the
originators of KISS (keep it simple stupid) with their
"Web Sites that Suck" book and site are pretty good...
Cannot remember their names either...
BTW I have been having fun looking at links TO our site
(part of the hit counter accessible to everyone). You
take the referral prize, Anji! I have not taken much
notice of this feature before. Always monitor the
country domain users... Now that is really interesting!
I have time for all this at the moment, because The
Chapel is now closed for a few weeks. We have only had
five days "off" since Easter and are pretty much on our
knees. So after resting a couple of days, I will be
reattacking our web site. I hope to conquer using an
Adobe programme Richard Jeffreys swears is easy-peasy
lemon-squeezy... We shall see!
Janet Kaiser - Handing out sweeties by the minute...
Halloween started as soon as it got dark... Early now
the clocks have gone back to Greenwich Mean Time.
Frightened a couple of teenies with my witch act...
Yes, "act" you guys!!! The voice would freeze your
blood. Their mothers got the giggles... Guess that
helped save irreparable psychological damage.
Did you know Trick or Treat originated in Wales? Old
pagan tradition for the New Year, exported to USA and
now re-imported as a Halloween "tradition". Hate
getting eggs and flour thrown at the door, so glad I
remembered the goodies.
Another import from the USA was dry villages, towns and
counties. I grew up in a village where the
non-conformists bought the village pub, then closed it
down back in the 19th c. Did that before even building
a church! Guess they knew their countrymen! Our county
only returned to being "wet" after a referendum in
November 1996... So we have a lot of catching up to do!
All Saints tomorrow, 1st November... My Mother would
have been 82... Born 1919, she was the little package
of joy which arrived nine months after the homecoming
from the killing fields of W.W.I. Thinking of them all
a lot these days...
The Chapel of Art . Capel Celfyddyd
HOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL POTTERS' PATH
Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales Tel: (01766) 523570
E-mail: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
WEBSITE: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
Anji Henderson on wed 31 oct 01
Hey Janet and all with web pages... There is an
article in Clay Times, the new one - Nov Dec 2001. It
is by Bob Stryker on page 15. The article is about web
design and it reminded me of a title that I already
knew but forgot the name of "meta-tag". They are words
you put in a special field at the top of your web page
to get you caught when someone else searches for you
or words that are in your web page.
Although I believe Janet is right. My first draft of
my web page had funky names for the images, text
blocks and some links, thats about it... I couldn't
search my self and get my web page... Months down the
road I got confused over which picture was which so I
started labeling them according to the piece (unless
they were digital then I just left the funny number
the camera left as a title, bet that will bite me in
the butt later) ... a few months later searched my
self again 2 or 3 hits .. Then I put the meta-tag in
"voala" 13 hits... Now maybe I should add
misspellings of my name to the meta-tags for those
that meet me and cant remember how to spell it ... :)
Anji's 2 cents...
--- Janet Kaiser
wrote:
>I started
> randomly typing in the names of clay buds... I know
> that many of you have web sites, but the images
> which
> turned up on the search were mostly from galleries,
> collections and the likes, but not your own sites...
=====
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Richard Jeffery on thu 1 nov 01
Dreamweaver easy peasy? not sure I said that, but well worth investing some
time in instead of using Publisher, which is as suited to writing web pages
as - well, fill in the gaps ... it's clunky, difficult, has no site
management tools, and produces Microsoft html, which never uses one piece of
code when 7 would make the page slower to download....
Nah - at the end of the day, find a tool that works for you... the big
problem is having a complex web site and managing updates and so on - a
"grown up" piece of web software will help with that, as well as putting
pages together. FrontPage will do the same...
anyway, to understand the imprecise and black art of search engine
manipulation, start by taking a look at http://www.searchenginewatch.com/.
there is some very useful stuff in there, but be prepared for a long read,
and some time to find the bits you can actually do something with....
Richard
Bournemouth UK
www.TheEleventhHour.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Janet Kaiser
Sent: 31 October 2001 22:23
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: images on the www
Yes, Anji.... Meta-tags are very important for getting
pages recognised by search engines. Some only check out
the meta-tags. Others look through the content (words)
of your page/s as well as the meta-tags. It depends
which search engine you use.
But I think IMAGES fall into another category
completely... Well they seem to with GOOGLE.com Whereas
the "My Wonderful Family" and "Woof our German
Shepherd" type web sites seldom appear in site
searches, family photos do have rather a high profile
on image searches...
It probably looks for .jpeg, .jpg, .gif, .bmp image
tags PLUS the description or "alt" text. Even so it
comes up with some weird results! Search for "mel
jacobson" and you also get what looks like a packet of
chicken feed as well as several other buttons and
banners, which I don't think have much to do with OUR
mel. Maybe he has a Doppelgänger who sells chicken
feed? You never know with those crazy Minnetonkans of
Norwegian descent!
An excellent web site for helping webmasters and
mistresses is http://www.bruceclay.com/ Bruce Clay has
all sorts of understandable explanations and examples
which helps non-geeks and anoraks. I cannot remember
the site which lists which search engines use which
techniques, but there is one "out there". Of course the
originators of KISS (keep it simple stupid) with their
"Web Sites that Suck" book and site are pretty good...
Cannot remember their names either...
BTW I have been having fun looking at links TO our site
(part of the hit counter accessible to everyone). You
take the referral prize, Anji! I have not taken much
notice of this feature before. Always monitor the
country domain users... Now that is really interesting!
I have time for all this at the moment, because The
Chapel is now closed for a few weeks. We have only had
five days "off" since Easter and are pretty much on our
knees. So after resting a couple of days, I will be
reattacking our web site. I hope to conquer using an
Adobe programme Richard Jeffreys swears is easy-peasy
lemon-squeezy... We shall see!
Janet Kaiser - Handing out sweeties by the minute...
Halloween started as soon as it got dark... Early now
the clocks have gone back to Greenwich Mean Time.
Frightened a couple of teenies with my witch act...
Yes, "act" you guys!!! The voice would freeze your
blood. Their mothers got the giggles... Guess that
helped save irreparable psychological damage.
Did you know Trick or Treat originated in Wales? Old
pagan tradition for the New Year, exported to USA and
now re-imported as a Halloween "tradition". Hate
getting eggs and flour thrown at the door, so glad I
remembered the goodies.
Another import from the USA was dry villages, towns and
counties. I grew up in a village where the
non-conformists bought the village pub, then closed it
down back in the 19th c. Did that before even building
a church! Guess they knew their countrymen! Our county
only returned to being "wet" after a referendum in
November 1996... So we have a lot of catching up to do!
All Saints tomorrow, 1st November... My Mother would
have been 82... Born 1919, she was the little package
of joy which arrived nine months after the homecoming
from the killing fields of W.W.I. Thinking of them all
a lot these days...
The Chapel of Art . Capel Celfyddyd
HOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL POTTERS' PATH
Criccieth LL52 0EA, GB-Wales Tel: (01766) 523570
E-mail: postbox@the-coa.org.uk
WEBSITE: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
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