vince pitelka on fri 2 nov 01
> What is it about the average male barbecue maniac which
> attracts him to this sort of gadget, widget or whatever
> you want to call it? We get used to them playing with
> fire, eventually getting the charcoal to burn two hours
> later than the guests arrived, investing mucho energy,
> loud self-praise and animated boy-talk about secret
> recipes and techniques, whilst we stuff ourselves with
> bread and salad waiting for the first sausage to cook,
> then feeding the dog all the good stuff because nobody
> was hungry at midnight...
Janet -
It seems that you have not been watching these messages very closely. Most
of the people who have replied with enthusiastic comments about the Big
Green Egg have been women. And of course in your diatribe above you are
talking about some lame-ass backyard diletante barbecue chef, rather than
any real barbecue enthusiast. Those of us who really care about barebecue
are uncompromising about the quality of the finished product, and about
feeding our guests ON TIME in order to maximize enjoyment of the fruits of
our labors. Barbecue is a serious religion in the United States.
When I was teaching at NDSU Fargo I had to wear a lot of different hats, and
didn't get much work done on my own artwork. Since I was coordinator of the
Art Department I had quite a few meetings and other gatherings at my house,
and I served a lot of barbecue. My colleagues kidded me that my primary
artform had shifted from ceramics to barbecue. But I don't use an egg.
Give me a Weber Kettle or a pit smoker or just about any old gas barbecue
and I'll feed you some good eats.
And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that it is
intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that conclusion?
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Earl Brunner on sat 3 nov 01
Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
Lori Leary wrote:
> Uh oh, Earl,
>
> I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
> And I am the barbeque person
> I own all the good tools in the family
> I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>
> I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
> First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
> After a while, they did not say that anymore.
> One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
> how well everyone there knew me.
> Made me smile.
>
> Lori L.
> laleary@earthlink.net
> Mountaintop, PA
>
> At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
>> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
>> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
>> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
>> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>>
>> vince pitelka wrote:
>>
>>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
>>> it is
>>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
>>> conclusion?
>>> Best wishes -
>>> - Vince
>>>
>>> Vince Pitelka
>>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
>>> Tennessee Technological University
>>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>>> 615/597-5376
>>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>>
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Earl Brunner on sat 3 nov 01
Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
vince pitelka wrote:
> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that it is
> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that conclusion?
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
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Lori Leary on sat 3 nov 01
Uh oh, Earl,
I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
And I am the barbeque person
I own all the good tools in the family
I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
After a while, they did not say that anymore.
One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
how well everyone there knew me.
Made me smile.
Lori L.
laleary@earthlink.net
Mountaintop, PA
At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
>on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
>buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
>tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
>basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>
>vince pitelka wrote:
>
>>And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that it is
>>intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that conclusion?
>>Best wishes -
>>- Vince
>>
>>Vince Pitelka
>>Appalachian Center for Crafts
>>Tennessee Technological University
>>1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>>Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>>615/597-5376
>>Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>>http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>
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>>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
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>>melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
>--
>Earl Brunner
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
>bruec@anv.net
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claybair on sun 4 nov 01
Yo... Earl....
You don't want to get us started!!!
I was the one looking at a miter saw today.
My husband was looking for a radio!
When house hunting I was looking for something modest...
hubby went for a mini mansion.
Shopping with hubby always ups the total at least $100.
Big green egg ...HA! I made an outrageous pulled pork in my Viking (a
purchase my husband insisted on) oven this week! Better watch out
testosterone.... estrogen is taking over!
Gayle Bair- spent as many hours with dad in his shop as with mom in the
kitchen!
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Earl Brunner wrote>>
Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
Lori Leary wrote:
> Uh oh, Earl,
>
> I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
> And I am the barbeque person
> I own all the good tools in the family
> I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>
> I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
> First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
> After a while, they did not say that anymore.
> One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
> how well everyone there knew me.
> Made me smile.
>
> Lori L.
> laleary@earthlink.net
> Mountaintop, PA
>
> At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
>> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
>> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
>> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
>> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>>
>> vince pitelka wrote:
>>
>>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
>>> it is
>>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
>>> conclusion?
>>> Best wishes -
>>> - Vince
>>>
>>> Vince Pitelka
>>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
>>> Tennessee Technological University
>>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>>> 615/597-5376
>>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>>
>>>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
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>>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Earl Brunner
>> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
>> bruec@anv.net
>>
>>
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>
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Ed Kraft on sun 4 nov 01
Earl,
I bet those men toys last and are apprecieated much longer than the dress or
shoes that soon will be out of fashon and forgotten in th back of the
closets. And as far as womens lack of high opinion for men all I can say is
ditto. I'll stick with my tools. Ed
P. S. Luckily all women are not like the women Earl works with.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: The big green egg and reverse misogynism
> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>
> vince pitelka wrote:
>
> > And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that it
is
> > intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
conclusion?
> > Best wishes -
> > - Vince
> >
> > Vince Pitelka
> > Appalachian Center for Crafts
> > Tennessee Technological University
> > 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> > Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> > 615/597-5376
> > Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> > 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> > http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
> >
> >
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melpots@pclink.com.
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>
> --
> Earl Brunner
> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
> bruec@anv.net
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Earl Brunner on sun 4 nov 01
Touched a nerve here.....eh?
Actually, I'm not really trying to start anything. I suspect though,
that Clayart women are a different breed.
Besides, Janet started it!!!!!
claybair wrote:
> Yo... Earl....
> You don't want to get us started!!!
> I was the one looking at a miter saw today.
> My husband was looking for a radio!
> When house hunting I was looking for something modest...
> hubby went for a mini mansion.
> Shopping with hubby always ups the total at least $100.
> Big green egg ...HA! I made an outrageous pulled pork in my Viking (a
> purchase my husband insisted on) oven this week! Better watch out
> testosterone.... estrogen is taking over!
>
> Gayle Bair- spent as many hours with dad in his shop as with mom in the
> kitchen!
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
> Earl Brunner wrote>>
>
> Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
>
> Lori Leary wrote:
>
>
>> Uh oh, Earl,
>>
>> I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
>> And I am the barbeque person
>> I own all the good tools in the family
>> I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>>
>> I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
>> First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
>> After a while, they did not say that anymore.
>> One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
>> how well everyone there knew me.
>> Made me smile.
>>
>> Lori L.
>> laleary@earthlink.net
>> Mountaintop, PA
>>
>> At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
>>> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
>>> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
>>> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
>>> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>>>
>>> vince pitelka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
>>>> it is
>>>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
>>>> conclusion?
>>>> Best wishes -
>>>> - Vince
>>>>
>>>> Vince Pitelka
>>>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
>>>> Tennessee Technological University
>>>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>>>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>>>> 615/597-5376
>>>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>>>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
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>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Earl Brunner
>>> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
>>> bruec@anv.net
>>>
>>>
>>
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> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
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Dai Scott on sun 4 nov 01
Um, Earl - I also own all the good tools (read: expensive) in our house (our
sons come and borrow them); in fact, both my daughter and I are the "good"
tool or machine buyers (she's also the Mr. Fix-It in her house, with a
mostly away-on-the-job husband). Having been a single parent for a lot of
years, I haven't relied on The Man Of The House to supply either tools or
fix-its.
However, I don't do the BBQing, and only half of the in-house cooking.
Dai in Kelowna, BC (what was that keyboard sign for "woman"?)
"There is no right way to do the wrong thing."
potterybydai@shaw.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAYART] The big green egg and reverse misogynism
> Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
>
> Lori Leary wrote:
>
> > Uh oh, Earl,
> >
> > I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
> > And I am the barbeque person
> > I own all the good tools in the family
> > I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
> >
> > I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
> > First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
> > After a while, they did not say that anymore.
> > One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
> > how well everyone there knew me.
> > Made me smile.
> >
> > Lori L.
> > laleary@earthlink.net
> > Mountaintop, PA
> >
> > At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend
money
> >> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
> >> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
> >> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
> >> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
> >>
> >> vince pitelka wrote:
> >>
> >>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
> >>> it is
> >>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
> >>> conclusion?
> >>> Best wishes -
> >>> - Vince
> >>>
> >>> Vince Pitelka
> >>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> >>> Tennessee Technological University
> >>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> >>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> >>> 615/597-5376
> >>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> >>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> >>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> melpots@pclink.com.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Earl Brunner
> >> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
> >> bruec@anv.net
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Ann Semple on sun 4 nov 01
Here's another "me too".
The stereotype of the woman shopper and bored husband is too common to be
purely fictional, but I suspect if a poll were taken on clayart, the results
would not support that description. I do not have a lot of very expensive
tools but I have what I need most of the time. And when I go to the hardware
store, I drool over what I can't afford.
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: The big green egg and reverse misogynism
Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
Lori Leary wrote:
> Uh oh, Earl,
>
> I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
> And I am the barbeque person
> I own all the good tools in the family
> I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>
> I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
> First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
> After a while, they did not say that anymore.
> One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
> how well everyone there knew me.
> Made me smile.
>
> Lori L.
> laleary@earthlink.net
> Mountaintop, PA
>
> At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
>> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
>> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
>> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
>> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>>
>> vince pitelka wrote:
>>
>>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
>>> it is
>>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
>>> conclusion?
>>> Best wishes -
>>> - Vince
>>>
>>> Vince Pitelka
>>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
>>> Tennessee Technological University
>>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>>> 615/597-5376
>>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>>>
>>>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
>>>
>>> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
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>>> melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Earl Brunner
>> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
>> bruec@anv.net
>>
>>
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Doug Gray on sun 4 nov 01
Earl, I might be inclined to agree with you, but you have obviously
never met my wife. There is definitely a difference between my toys and
hers, but I have a little saying. "What's mine is hers and what's hers
is hers." It is very similar to another favorite saying of mine which
goes "when she cooks I do the dishes and when I cook I do the dishes."
There is a reason why my checks are direct deposited and she carries the
checkbook. But it isn't because I have an SUV. I bought a dishwasher.
Doug, SC
(don't get me wrong, I trust my wife with more than our money)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:50:46 -0800
From: Earl Brunner
Subject: Re: The big green egg and reverse misogynism
Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to spend money
on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress, the man
buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a new power
tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women on a daily
basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
vince pitelka wrote:
> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg indicates that
it is
> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with that
conclusion?
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
Janet Kaiser on sun 4 nov 01
Diatribe? Hoof! Has someone stolen your tickling stick,
Vince? Didn't you realise you were, or more precisely
your sex was being teased? Or did I just touch on a
sensitive nerve, for you to take such umbrage? I cannot
bare it if "sexist" joking is now politically incorrect
too...
Well anyway, to answer your question: A large price
tag, combined with the gadgetry involved being
primarily aimed at the male market, was a reflection of
_my_experience_ during several years in retail. I would
never have thought it was true, but experience has
taught me otherwise. It is not prejudice, just observed
behaviour. Combine anything expensive with moving parts
and it is the male who is first attracted to it and
will seriously consider buying if suitably impressed.
Not exclusively, but nine times out of ten that's the
case. It is also the male who spends the mega-money on
any luxury. His cheque/credit card, rarely hers. I am
not condemning, only commenting that is the way it
usually is here.
Far from not taking note of the posts on the subject, I
noticed that it was often the male who instigated
interest in the object under discussion. Once one has
been bought, there is no reason why it should not work
or be used by everyone in the household. Got to get
some serious use out of such an expensive item after
all...
In this instance the holy barbecue is an added
incentive to the dominant gadgetry gene usually
attached to the Y chromosome. Once again, _in my
experience_ the barbecue is almost exclusively a male
preserve. In some households it is the only time the
houseman will contribute to cooking and certainly the
only time he will cook for invited guests. Does not
mean to say he does all the buying, preparation,
setting-up, caring for guests, clearing away,
washing-up etc., etc., but he will take over the barby
and spend his time flipping food. Again, there are
exceptions... never said there weren't.
Good to hear you are an ace at cooking in the great
outdoors... I would not expect anything less of you. A
real role model. And it was a man after all, who fed
several thousand unexpected guests... with some divine
help.
We have so little practice barbecuing here, it is no
wonder talent is sadly lacking. So often the week
starts promising, but it is raining by the day
planned... Heck! It can turn from brilliant blue sunny
skies to pouring rain and a howling gale in a single
hour here. Not a climate conducive to becoming a nation
of barbecuers and probably why roasting on a spit was
so popular in the centuries before cookers were
invented. It beat trying to cook over a soggy camp fire
hands down...
I really think you should remember that this is an
international list and I am not knocking America, any
of her great institutions or individuals with my
nonsense. There are just more angles than what you
do/see in your own back yard. There is the Rest of the
World and our sometimes quite different take on
subjects. Not all societies are the same... There are
still those who have very clearly defined male-female
roles and divisions of labour.
Indeed there are even huge differences between
generations. I know my father would not be caught dead
lifting a plate off the table, never mind cooking to
feed anyone, including himself. He did, however feel
cooking outdoors appeared sufficiently masculine enough
to participate and "did the honours" publicly. But it
had to be real Boy Scout stuff over an open fire of
chopped wood. Real macho, he-man work and none of these
sissy hip-level, brick-built grills and bags of
charcoal from a supermarket...
Janet Kaiser MA (Misogynists Anonymous) Willing to bet
there are just as many "lame-ass backyard dilettante
barbecue chefs" in other countries as there are here.
The Chapel of Art . Capel Celfyddyd
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> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green
Egg indicates that it is
> intended for men? How in the world did you come up
with that conclusion?
Millie on sun 4 nov 01
Earl,
Lori is not an anomaly, and I am sure that I am not going to be the only one who
writes in to tell you so.
I have always had Vans or Jeeps. (my son has my old 85 Grand wagoneer, a real truck.)
My dream is a pick up truck of my own. ( wound up renting a ford ranger when we were
in TN this past summer, I hated to turn it in.)
My favorite toy as a child was a drill press, my father would give me a piece of
wood and say make swiss cheese, I was the one that came to the marriage with a full
tool box, I am the one who did the maintenance until I could teach my husband how to
do these things. Over the years I have bought lots of tools at yard sales and I
really get ticked at how many of the men assume that I am getting these tools for my
husband. and when my daughter went off to college, I sent her with a tool box too.
and the the craziest thing was that as a theater major, I had to take lighting and
scenery design, but this was in the early '60 s in the South. so I had to do all
this building and climbing on the catwalk in a skirt until a few other women and I
were able to break the dress code and get permission to wear slacks on campus as long
as we wore a raincoat over them when we were out side of the theater, So I can do
anything the guys can do while wearing a skirt and retaining my dainty, ladylike
demeanor all the while.
we have a gas grill now and my husband really is not comfortable lighting it. but he
does make a good living with his mind, so I have been able to stay home and raise
the kids. both my son and daughter can cook, clean, do basic home repairs. my
husband stays home when my kids who now are adults and I go to Tools R Us ( aka Home
Depot)
Millie in Md. the leaves are brilliant reds and oranges, I miss the times when you
could burn your leaves in the back yard, my father would rake them up and start a
fire, and I would get to throw handfuls of leave on the fire and keep it going as he
raked. I guess that is why I grew up to be a pyromaniac
Earl Brunner wrote:
> Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
>
> Lori Leary wrote:
>
> > Uh oh, Earl,
> >
> > I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
> > And I am the barbeque person
> > I own all the good tools in the family
> > I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
> >
> > I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
> > First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
> > After a while, they did not say that anymore.
> > One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
> > how well everyone there knew me.
> > Made me smile.
> >
> > Lori L.
> > laleary@earthlink.net
> > Mountaintop, PA
> >
Lori Leary on sun 4 nov 01
Anomaly......Lori......Leary.....
Anomalori.....
Hmmm....Anomalorileary Pottery, kinda catchy, don't you think, Earl?
And if I fired a wood kiln, I would be Anagamanomalorileary.......
Fee Fi Fo Fori,
Lori
Earl wrote:
>Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
>
>Earlier, I wrote:
>>Uh oh, Earl,
>>
>> I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
>>And I am the barbeque person
>>I own all the good tools in the family
>>I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>>
>>I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
>>First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
>>After a while, they did not say that anymore.
>>One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
>>how well everyone there knew me.
>>Made me smile.
>>
>>Lori L.
>>laleary@earthlink.net
>>Mountaintop, PA
Diane Woloshyn on sun 4 nov 01
Oh No Earl,
Lori is not an anomoly. I drive a 17 yr. old pickup; my husband the new car.
I have as many tools as he does and know how to use them all. For gift
giving occasions, I always ask for tools and spend more time in the hardware
store than most men I know. I also do most of the home repair and all of the
roof work (hubby does't like heights).
Diane Florida Bird Lady
Klyf Brown on mon 5 nov 01
Dai and other tool literate women,
Ok, now how can you all get my wife to pick up and use tools? I got
lots of tools, been collecting them most of my life and have aquired
nifty new ones recently. I will gladly loan them to her if she would do
all the things all you women do. We have a forty year old house that
always needs something done, then there are the gardens and yards
too. I have lots of great tools for that kind of work too, she won't
even learn their names or uses, let alone fire one up.
I could free up more time to work on clay!
More power to all you women that have the ability to use all these
tools.
Klyf Brown, ready, willing and able to share my great selection of
labour saving tolls with my wife, and the work that goes with them.
11/4/01 9:28:50 AM, Dai Scott
wrote:
>Um, Earl - I also own all the good tools (read: expensive) in our
house (our
>sons come and borrow them); in fact, both my daughter and I are
the "good"
>tool or machine buyers (she's also the Mr. Fix-It in her house, with a
>mostly away-on-the-job husband). Having been a single parent for
a lot of
>years, I haven't relied on The Man Of The House to supply either
tools or
>fix-its.
>
>However, I don't do the BBQing, and only half of the in-house
cooking.
>Dai in Kelowna, BC (what was that keyboard sign for "woman"?)
>
>"There is no right way to do the wrong thing."
>potterybydai@shaw.ca
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Earl Brunner"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] The big green egg and reverse
misogynism
>
>
>> Yeah, but you are an anomaly.
>>
>> Lori Leary wrote:
>>
>> > Uh oh, Earl,
>> >
>> > I just bought myself a shiny new red Pickup.
>> > And I am the barbeque person
>> > I own all the good tools in the family
>> > I do most of the household repairs and fixing -up.
>> >
>> > I used to go to a local good 'ole boy hardware shop in S.C.
>> > First time in, it was "Kin Ah hep yew, little lady?"
>> > After a while, they did not say that anymore.
>> > One time I took my husband there, and he marveled at
>> > how well everyone there knew me.
>> > Made me smile.
>> >
>> > Lori L.
>> > laleary@earthlink.net
>> > Mountaintop, PA
>> >
>> > At 08:50 AM 11/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Vince, it's a well known "fact" among women that men like to
spend
>money
>> >> on their "toys". The more the better. A women buys a dress,
the man
>> >> buys the SUV. Woman buys a pair of shoes, the man buys a
new power
>> >> tool. etc. I work with a disproportionate amount of women
on a daily
>> >> basis, they do not have high opinions of us.
>> >>
>> >> vince pitelka wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> And you imply that the high price on the Big Green Egg
indicates that
>> >>> it is
>> >>> intended for men? How in the world did you come up with
that
>> >>> conclusion?
>> >>> Best wishes -
>> >>> - Vince
>> >>>
>> >>> Vince Pitelka
>> >>> Appalachian Center for Crafts
>> >>> Tennessee Technological University
>> >>> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
>> >>> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
>> >>> 615/597-5376
>> >>> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
>> >>> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
>> >>> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>> >>>
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Janet Kaiser on mon 5 nov 01
Vince and I get on just fine. We talk to each other and
that helps us understand one another better. That is
good. That is very important.
And I really did not intend to start a war of words
here! But for what it is worth, I truly believe it does
not matter who does what around the home, workshop, at
work, at school, anywhere, anyplace, anytime. The
important part of living and working together, is the
fair sharing of our labours. Each has their strengths
and weaknesses. We should build on them and develop
them to our mutual good.
Who cares who does the cooking or the carpentry? As
long as we do our best, to our own satisfaction, does
it matter what anyone else thinks? Is the man who does
the ironing any less manly? Or the woman who services
the car any less womanly? To some the answer is "yes",
to others the answer is a resounding "no". This is not
confined to one country or society, but is
trans-cultural and very much a generational difference.
The only time we should voice concern as Westerners, is
when we are prevented from learning, working, doing or
saying anything because of our sex. When our sex
confines us to roles which are pre-ordained by society,
we think it is wrong. However, that does not mean to
say it is wrong for others in other countries, cultures
and creeds. We should not impose our own views on those
who do not agree with us, just as they should not
condemn us. As long as a society respects all its
citizens, there is mutual understanding, tolerance and
respect for one another as individual human beings,
whatever our sex or age, then it is functioning well.
And as they say in Australia: "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it".
Janet Kaiser
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chris clarke on tue 6 nov 01
Kylf,
Sorry guy, either she likes to or she doesn't. A woman born dainty is
cursed for life. And a woman taught to be dainty is a crime. Never been
accused of it myself, but I also had a brother who wasn't interested in any
of it so I fished, wired, tinkered and plumbed with my father.
I was the son my father wanted my brother to be. I can roof, lay concrete,
drywall, wire, insulate, play pool or darts and drink with the best of them.
Years of being a gopher to a man who paid no one to do anything he could.
So all you men on the list, take your daughters fishing, show them how to
change their oil, let them hand you tools. Show them that being a woman is
not in anyway about standing back and letting the 'man' do it. Their future
mate will love you for it.
chris
never be 'just a girl'
temecula, california
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Earl Brunner on tue 6 nov 01
While you are at it teach/show your sons as well. My second son was
married and off to college. He had just inherited the old Volkswagen
Rabbit from his older brother. I told him to get the oil changed. He
decided to do it himself. He was a state away at college. He called me
up and said, "Dad, how much oil does it take to fill this thing?" I
asked, "What do you mean?" He said, "Well, I've put 7 quarts in this
thing and it still isn't full." Now most vehicles don't take more than
4-6 quarts. So I asked him what the dip stick said. There was this
pause, then he said, "There isn't a dip stick." I said, "EVERY car has
a dip stick." He said, "uh uh!" So I asked him how he was putting the
oil in and how he knew it wasn't full? He was just pouring it in the
fill hole in the top of the engine and was pouring until it filled
(which is WAY too much oil, can even damage the engine). I told him to
take it to a garage and have them do an oil change and show him where
the dip stick was.
These are just things I assumed that my children had learned. But I
hadn't changed the oil myself since around 1985 ( they were still
pretty young) when I put a hole in the oil pan with a claw hammer while
changing the oil myself. But that's a different story.
chris clarke wrote:
>>
> So all you men on the list, take your daughters fishing, show them how to
> change their oil, let them hand you tools. Show them that being a woman is
> not in anyway about standing back and letting the 'man' do it. Their future
> mate will love you for it.
>
> chris
> never be 'just a girl'
>
> temecula, california
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Cindy Griffis on tue 6 nov 01
" So all you men on the list, take your daughters fishing, show them
how to change their oil, let them hand you tools. Show them that
being a woman is not in anyway about standing back and letting the
'man' do it. Their future mate will love you for it."
chris
never be 'just a girl'
temecula, california
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>
Chris,
I second everything you said, but feel that I must add this comment:
Mom's should also have their sons help in the kitchen, doing laundry
and housework. My children began helping in the kitchen by age 5,
and were doing their own laundry by age 12. I also expect my
students to help clean our classroom and pick up after themselves.
For creative discipline, I have them work at home for their parents.
All spouses will appreciate this. I speak from experience; my first
husband couldn't empty an ice cube tray because Mommy spoiled him
(He's lucky he's still alive!). Hubby #2 is an excellent cook, and
helped raise my children to be hard-working, self-sufficient people.
I remember hearing him say to my oldest son, "You need to know how to
do dishes so you can get a GOOD wife."
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BBarus on tue 6 nov 01
Earl - you make it WORTH her while to do the jobs - you take over laundry,
ironing, baking (if she will let you close to her Kitchenaid and stove),
cleaning and dusting. I would rather hang drywall any day than fold
laundry. As for tilling the garden - well, buy her a dozen rose bushes and
say "Go for it honey". I get my hubby to plant trees by naming them in
honor of his family members. Hey - what ever works. However, I do not let
him near the kiln, or the tile cutters or anything where he could pinch or
burn himself - he's pretty precious to me. On the other hand, he
hyper-ventilates if I even mention going to Sears Hardware. His credit
card balance is important to him. Perhaps what makes women tool and
task-able is how they are raised. I learned the trades by my father's side
- I was never a second best child.
I raise a pot to the XYs of the world. Pot filled with homemade beer.
Barb
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